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    Quote Originally Posted by Borey the Bald View Post
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    Several years ago, I conducted a series of observations (easily replicated by anyone living under chemtrails) to demonstrate to myself the truth behind chemtrails. At that time I was living in the Upper Midwest portion of the US, where there would be 10-15 chemtrail overflights visible per day. What I did was for several weeks I tracked every chemtrail spewing aircraft on flightradar24.com, which can be used to obtain the aircraft identification number and follow that aircraft along its flight path. After a few days I was able to follow these aircraft from initial take off to landing.


    The results were quite clear. All chemtrail aircraft in my area, without exception, took off from one of two US Air force bases in North Dakota. They then flew routes in large loops taking them over Chicago, and then back to the originating Air force bases. They never made any stops along the route, and always returned to the base they initially took off from.


    These result reinforced my suspicions that chemtrails and contrails are not the same thing. They would certainly not be proof in a court of law, and I doubt they would sway any of the experts here on TeakDoor. But I found them informative. I would replicate the observations here in Northeast Thailand, but in the last three years I have yet to see a contrail or chemtrail, even though there are numerous overflights by commercial jets flying between Bangkok and China, Vietnam, and other points north.
    To provide a little background for the above post, there are over 20,000 commercial flights over the US every day. I estimate that there had to be at least a few hundred flights each day over my area. In addition, there were six Air Force bases within a couple hundred miles. From occasionally driving by some of these bases, it is obvious that there was a significant amount of aircraft flying out of them. So, of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area, all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft, flying out of the two most distant and remote Air Force bases.

    I believe that, at a minimum, these observations cast serious doubt the contention that chemtrails are really contrails.


    Whenever posting on this forum, I fully expect to be attacked by the usual few posters. In this case I must admit that I was a little surprised to be called "nuts" and "not very bright" for posting that you can, by simple observation of the real world, provide some insight into the truth. For those who spend most of their time on a computer trolling internet forums, that is apparently an unsettling contention.
    Do you really think that the airforce would allow aircraft identification numbers to be known on flightradar24.com if there was some kind of secret cover-up?
    Are you really surprised that airforce aircraft take off from an airforce base and return there?
    That story is obviously total BS. A complete fabrication.
    (reeks of early ENT with his scout cars and phone tracking)

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    You're starting to smell of school-boy peck-order mentality again Cujo.

    Shoot the messenger when you haven't the brain or experience to logically explain anything.

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    there are over 20,000 commercial flights over the US every day. I estimate that there had to be at least a few hundred flights each day over my area. In addition, there were six Air Force bases within a couple hundred miles. From occasionally driving by some of these bases, it is obvious that there was a significant amount of aircraft flying out of them. So, of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area, all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft, flying out of the two most distant and remote Air Force bases.
    So you're observing and analysing 1% of all the flights in and out of the United States (though a quick search gives the figure of 80,000 flights a day) plus an additional number of military flights (which conveniently advertise on the internet their participation in some unknown conspiracy), are you? And this is over a long enough period of time to draw conclusions about the existence of a dastardly plan to .... do something or other. And how are you tracking all these flights? Have you built your own radar?

    I hope you enjoy your time with ENT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    Do you really think that the airforce would allow aircraft identification numbers to be known on flightradar24.com if there was some kind of secret cover-up? Are you really surprised that airforce aircraft take off from an airforce base and return there? That story is obviously total BS. A complete fabrication. (reeks of early ENT with his scout cars and phone tracking)
    If aircraft identification was not available on flightradar24.com, would that not be better evidence of a secret cover-up?

    If my story is obvious BS, it is easy enough to prove or disprove. Simply replicate the observations. I encourage anyone reading this to give it a try. That was the main point of my post.

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    I never saw (or noticed) such things before the year 2000 or so, about the time they started to be widely reported.
    Oh well, given such convincing and well-presented data, I've decided to change my mind completely.

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    If my story is obvious BS, it is easy enough to prove or disprove.
    I can't speak for anyone else but I have better things to do with my time than devote months to staring at the sky so that I can disprove some ridiculous internet conspiracy bollocks. And since you've not actually presented anything which any non-credulous imbecile would consider 'evidence' there wouldn't be much point anyway, would there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    there are over 20,000 commercial flights over the US every day. I estimate that there had to be at least a few hundred flights each day over my area. In addition, there were six Air Force bases within a couple hundred miles. From occasionally driving by some of these bases, it is obvious that there was a significant amount of aircraft flying out of them. So, of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area, all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft, flying out of the two most distant and remote Air Force bases.
    So you're observing and analysing 1% of all the flights in and out of the United States (though a quick search gives the figure of 80,000 flights a day) plus an additional number of military flights (which conveniently advertise on the internet their participation in some unknown conspiracy), are you? And this is over a long enough period of time to draw conclusions about the existence of a dastardly plan to .... do something or other. And how are you tracking all these flights? Have you built your own radar?

    I hope you enjoy your time with ENT.

    I hope you come up with a logical argument instead of trying to sling shit in a circle-jerk, dragging red-herrings into the discussion in lieu of any pertinent matter.

    The claimed observations made by Borey were of a particular few (20) military planes flying from and returning to their bases after exhibiting persistent con-trails,..lately termed chem-trails, which are a recent (1990s < to date) phenomenon.

    At what altitude were they flying? The weather conditions were at least fair, to allow the con-trails to persist for any extensive period of time.

    And why were only those 20 particular planes exhibiting persistent con-trails, and not any others over-flying the observer's point of view?

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    The claimed observations made by Borey were of a particular few (20) military planes
    Wrong. It wasn't a complicted bit of writing but here we go:

    I estimate that there had to be at least a few hundred flights each day over my area...of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area, all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft
    He's tracking hundreds of planes a day. Allegedly. And he's able to identify through publicly available sources the planes involved in this conspiracy. Right. Credulous old fools like you might believe that but those of us blessed with a brain will not. Now back to your lobelia, old man.

    which are a recent (1990s < to date) phenomenon.
    Indeed. The lizard men faked all the photos of WW2 bombers leaving contrails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    The claimed observations made by Borey were of a particular few (20) military planes
    Wrong. It wasn't a complicted bit of writing but here we go:

    I estimate that there had to be at least a few hundred flights each day over my area...of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area, all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft
    He's tracking hundreds of planes a day. Allegedly. Credulous old fools like you might believe that but those of us blessed with a brain will not. Now back to your lobelia, old man.

    which are a recent (1990s < to date) phenomenon.
    Indeed. The lizard men faked all the photos of WW2 bombers leaving contrails.
    Are you slow on the uptake, chappy?
    In other words, digging past your obfuscation, he noted that;
    " all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft"

    Then you go on about "lizard men" faking WW2 pics of bombers leaving con-trails.

    Interesting that you'd bring that point up, as WW2 bombers didn't emit con-trails, as they were all turbo-props, not jets.

    But since you did bring up that point, let's have a look at it here;




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    " all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft"
    And 200+ a day aren't. And the only way he can know that is by tracking those planes over a long period of time. This obviously didn't happen but then you're one of these people who mistakes dragging up any old random horseshit from the bowels of the internet for signs of intelligence (when, unfortunately for you and your ilk, it's a sign of precisely the opposite) so your stance is hardly a shock. Anyway, since evidence doesn't actually figure in believing any of these fairytales, there's not much point pursuing this further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    " all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft"
    And 200+ a day aren't. And the only way he can know that is by tracking those planes over a long period of time. This obviously didn't happen but then you're one of these people who mistakes dragging up any old random horseshit from the bowels of the internet for signs of intelligence (when, unfortunately for you and your ilk, it's a sign of precisely the opposite) so your stance is hardly a shock. Anyway, since evidence doesn't actually figure in believing any of these fairytales, there's not much pursuing this further.
    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.

    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular, that he'd observed having persistent con-trails, not the other hundreds you're on about.

    How do you know how long Borey tracked overflying aircraft for? You don't know, at all, you're criticism is pure conjecture.

    From your final sentence, I take it that you're actually incapable of a reasonable discussion, swayed as you seem to be by belief and emotion, rather than scientific empiricism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    " all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft"
    And 200+ a day aren't. And the only way he can know that is by tracking those planes over a long period of time. This obviously didn't happen but then you're one of these people who mistakes dragging up any old random horseshit from the bowels of the internet for signs of intelligence (when, unfortunately for you and your ilk, it's a sign of precisely the opposite) so your stance is hardly a shock. Anyway, since evidence doesn't actually figure in believing any of these fairytales, there's not much pursuing this further.
    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.

    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular, that he'd observed having persistent con-trails, not the other hundreds you're on about.

    How do you know how long Borey tracked overflying aircraft for? You don't know, at all, you're criticism is pure conjecture.

    From your final sentence, I take it that you're actually incapable of a reasonable discussion, swayed as you seem to be by belief and emotion, rather than scientific empiricism.
    You're not really calling this whackjob conspiracy theory "science" are you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Credulous old twat
    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular
    Quote Originally Posted by Bore
    of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area
    He was claiming to observe hundreds of aircraft a day and that he was able to identify with what must be 100% accuracy the military aircraft in that swarm and know that they and only they were leaving 'chemtrails'. That's what he said. There's no ambiguity in any of this. If you don't understand his post, that's unfortunate but not entirely unexpected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borey the Bald View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo
    Do you really think that the airforce would allow aircraft identification numbers to be known on flightradar24.com if there was some kind of secret cover-up? Are you really surprised that airforce aircraft take off from an airforce base and return there? That story is obviously total BS. A complete fabrication. (reeks of early ENT with his scout cars and phone tracking)
    If aircraft identification was not available on flightradar24.com, would that not be better evidence of a secret cover-up?

    If my story is obvious BS, it is easy enough to prove or disprove. Simply replicate the observations. I encourage anyone reading this to give it a try. That was the main point of my post.
    So please tell us what type of aircraft these were if you can so easily identify them.

    If the flights from the airforce bases were the only ones creating the contrails then it seems to me it would be due to the difference in altitude of the overflying commercial jets and the , I assume, relatively lower altitude of the airforce jets. That and the different wing shape/types.
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    You're not really calling this whackjob conspiracy theory "science" are you?
    ENT's up there with Jeff in the self-deceiving posturing cockmonkey elite....so quite possibly yes, he is.

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    Originally Posted by Borey the Bald View Post
    So, of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area, all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft, flying out of the two most distant and remote Air Force bases.
    So you had had 2 aircraft spewing chemtrails over you daily (for how long?)
    What effect did these chemtrails have on you apart from making you paranoid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    " all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft"
    And 200+ a day aren't. And the only way he can know that is by tracking those planes over a long period of time. This obviously didn't happen but then you're one of these people who mistakes dragging up any old random horseshit from the bowels of the internet for signs of intelligence (when, unfortunately for you and your ilk, it's a sign of precisely the opposite) so your stance is hardly a shock. Anyway, since evidence doesn't actually figure in believing any of these fairytales, there's not much pursuing this further.
    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.

    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular, that he'd observed having persistent con-trails, not the other hundreds you're on about.

    How do you know how long Borey tracked overflying aircraft for? You don't know, at all, you're criticism is pure conjecture.

    From your final sentence, I take it that you're actually incapable of a reasonable discussion, swayed as you seem to be by belief and emotion, rather than scientific empiricism.
    You're not really calling this whackjob conspiracy theory "science" are you?

    What "conspiracy" theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Credulous old twat
    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular
    Quote Originally Posted by Bore
    of all the hundreds of aircraft overflying my area
    He was claiming to observe hundreds of aircraft a day and that he was able to identify with what must be 100% accuracy the military aircraft in that swarm and know that they and only they were leaving 'chemtrails'.
    Which is obviously horseshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    What "conspiracy" theory?
    That the gubmint is poisoning us with "chemtrails".

    I would have thought that was obvious, but maybe they really have been spraying you with special "dumb as fuck" chemicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Passing Through View Post
    " all chemtrails were being spewed by the same two groups totalling about 20 aircraft"
    And 200+ a day aren't. And the only way he can know that is by tracking those planes over a long period of time. This obviously didn't happen but then you're one of these people who mistakes dragging up any old random horseshit from the bowels of the internet for signs of intelligence (when, unfortunately for you and your ilk, it's a sign of precisely the opposite) so your stance is hardly a shock. Anyway, since evidence doesn't actually figure in believing any of these fairytales, there's not much pursuing this further.
    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.

    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular, that he'd observed having persistent con-trails, not the other hundreds you're on about.

    How do you know how long Borey tracked overflying aircraft for? You don't know, at all, you're criticism is pure conjecture.

    From your final sentence, I take it that you're actually incapable of a reasonable discussion, swayed as you seem to be by belief and emotion, rather than scientific empiricism.
    You're not really calling this whackjob conspiracy theory "science" are you?

    What "conspiracy" theory?
    Oh, you think it's real.
    Question for Boring.
    When you look up and see the contrail with a speck at the head, how do you know that speck is not a commercial airliner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    And 200+ a day aren't. And the only way he can know that is by tracking those planes over a long period of time. This obviously didn't happen but then you're one of these people who mistakes dragging up any old random horseshit from the bowels of the internet for signs of intelligence (when, unfortunately for you and your ilk, it's a sign of precisely the opposite) so your stance is hardly a shock. Anyway, since evidence doesn't actually figure in believing any of these fairytales, there's not much pursuing this further.
    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.

    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular, that he'd observed having persistent con-trails, not the other hundreds you're on about.

    How do you know how long Borey tracked overflying aircraft for? You don't know, at all, you're criticism is pure conjecture.

    From your final sentence, I take it that you're actually incapable of a reasonable discussion, swayed as you seem to be by belief and emotion, rather than scientific empiricism.
    You're not really calling this whackjob conspiracy theory "science" are you?

    What "conspiracy" theory?
    Oh, you think it's real.
    Question for Boring.
    When you look up and see the contrail with a speck at the head, how do you know that speck is not a commercial airliner?

    The difference is quite clear, if one understands these things.
    Chemtrail aircraft fly much much lower in altitude, spreading their nasties, therefore can be spotted easily [usually nondescript and unmarked] in comparison to your commercial flight "speck" at 25-30K....

    So there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
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    Again, you can't resist stooping to shit slinging once you're on the defensive, eh, as logical argument seems not to be your strong point.

    Borey was referring to 20 military aircraft in particular, that he'd observed having persistent con-trails, not the other hundreds you're on about.

    How do you know how long Borey tracked overflying aircraft for? You don't know, at all, you're criticism is pure conjecture.

    From your final sentence, I take it that you're actually incapable of a reasonable discussion, swayed as you seem to be by belief and emotion, rather than scientific empiricism.
    You're not really calling this whackjob conspiracy theory "science" are you?

    What "conspiracy" theory?
    Oh, you think it's real.
    Question for Boring.
    When you look up and see the contrail with a speck at the head, how do you know that speck is not a commercial airliner?

    The difference is quite clear, if one understands these things.
    Chemtrail aircraft fly much much lower in altitude, spreading their nasties, therefore can be spotted easily [usually nondescript and unmarked] in comparison to your commercial flight "speck" at 25-30K....

    So there.
    See ENT you know you're fucked when Jeff is on your side.

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