Thread: Building a house on in-laws property

Originally Posted by fredwiggy

The O visa is the one I was referring to, and I was told 20 baht would get you out the door quicker, not in any fast move way. As far as the document for the names on the house, not sure the name. Just told that it was possible, and another way was to put in wife's name with a 30 year lease, which is another option I was considering.

God almighty Freddy, how long does it take to get through to you?

The ONLY fully valid document for ownership of a house is a chanute (there are others, such as nor sor sam's, all with more restrictions). Your name as a farang cannot be on any of them as an owner, except of a condominium. CANNOT. End of story. It is NOT POSSIBLE.

We've been over Non Imm visas before. At length. You will now NOT get a
non-imm 'O' multi entry in a neighbouring country.

For 20 baht you'll get laughed at then thrown out or not allowed in. Whoever told you this must be winding you up or certifiable. Some immigration offices have an 'express' system, but it's 2,000 baht plus.

You can't put anything in anyone's name - it's not your land so it's not up to you. We went over 30 year leases maybe 20 pages ago. First, the land has to be on a chanute - is it? If it is then it has to be sub-divided for your wife's part, which is very easy as long as the MiL agrees. It doesn't necessarily mean you 'own' anything more as you can't sell most leases, nor does it really give you much more in the way of practical rights as even if you have full access, etc, your life can easily be made hell in a rural village (forget your rather immature macho delusions) but it may make you feel better.

Still interested to know how you did all the marital arrangements / registration in September ...

Originally Posted by fredwiggy

If you knew me, you would be embarrassed learning how smart I am.

Nothing to add to the thread. Just thought it was worth posting this bit again in case anybody missed it.

The ownership of the house document is the tor ror 900.
This can be put in to Freddy's name 100%.
Providing the house drawings and build permit are obtained in Freddy's name.
So yes Freddy you can own the house as you say.
But. You cannot own the land.
You can lease the land and own the house
Nothing more really.
You already know this.
Move on.

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Davis, since you've never had Thai wife, you have no personal experience with any Thai women in that regard

So Fred, six years living in Thailand, twenty years living in the Philippines, and another 14 years living in other parts of Asia means my opinion on Thai women (even though I never gave an opinion) is meaningless because I never married one.

Troll on, Fred.

Originally Posted by splitlid

The ownership of the house document is the tor ror 900.

Are you sure?

From the ongoing Property in Thailand series in Bangkok Post

So what is a blue book? It is a house registration document issued by the Provincial Administration Department. It's part of the civil registration system, which includes the registration of birth, death, migration and procedures in connection with the home like applying for a house number or demolition.

possession of the blue book doesn't mean anybody owns the property - all it means is that the property is a registered address in Thailand.

A house must have a blue book in order to apply for public utilities such as electricity, water or land telephone lines. It is often required when applying for cable or satellite TV.

The procedure for applying for a blue book is fairly straightforward.

The person in possession of the house, such as the owner or tenant, must apply for the book within 15 days of construction on the house being finished. There's a 1,000 baht fine for not complying with this requirement.

The documents that have to be filed with the application are as follows:

• Form Tor Ror 900;
• copies of the ID cards of the applicant and the applicant's representative, if a representative such as a lawyer is submitting it;
• power of attorney to the representative, if any;
• documents certifying the right to possess the land on which the house is located, for example, the land title deed Nor Sor 3 or Sor Por Gor. They would also include the letter of consent to construct the house on the land signed by the landowner in case the householder submitting the application is not the landowner;
• building permit;
• photographs of the completed house, showing all four sides.

After these documents are submitted, the registration officer will issue the blue book in duplicate, one copy of which goes to the applicant. There is no fee for this.

You can see then that the existence of a blue book doesn't mean somebody has title to the house. But there can be good news.

That's because to apply for the blue book in the first place, it means the owner most likely has other documents that do indicate ownership or a registered long lease. We'll talk about the real proof of ownership in the future.

^Pretty sure. Can't see anything in your post that says otherwise.

I have decided to start a sod farm in Isan. Any of you Mothers of Invention want in on the ground floor send your money to old Pink in care of the funny farm.

P.S. John loosen the shirt collar and take a few deep breaths...Breath, breath in the air..

For long you live and high you fly

smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry

And all you touch and all you see

is all your life will ever be.

P.S. That last ten minutes..............Well sometimes I feel..........

Originally Posted by JohnG

Originally Posted by Keyser soze

John G you should be really careful regarding what you continue to say about other people you strike me as a keyboard warrior without any bollocks whatsoever.

Are you upset about your builder in Loei? is this why you continue to slag a builder down who you dont know about?

Can see you in Khon Kaen anytime you want and talk about your dissatifactions ...man or mouse!

As for Fred and your advice.....you seem to know it ALL

Your the one who is looking foolish because you keep continually posting
about how other people should do things maybe you need to look at yourself your life your wife and your perfect house .....get a life!

Your comments are rude self opinionated and above all else libelous....be
careful.

Freddy's builder is anonymous. Rather hard to libel someone who's anonymous!

... and my builder is excellent, and not from Loei.

Of course everything is excellent in your bubble isnt it,that is why you continually try to ram advice down other peoles throats and get angry when they dont agree with you....who do you think you are? do you watch soap operas also as it seems you do like to get involved in other peoples lives with you sanctimonius drivel,as i said before get a life and look in the mirror.

You are not perfect

Freddys builder is not anonymous only to you! i have seen his work at first hand and so have others and if you knew him you would not have made the comments that are recorded in this thread...it is not hard to libel someone from a keyboard was your meaning only cowards do that with no information on the guys business.....but you no better as you have already shown on this thread,you keep coming back for more don't ya!!

All the while Freddie is the gentleman laughing at you insults and slurs on everything about him his plans and even his family.

Shame on you.

Fish loves down town Dallas in December. The city lights are breathtaking. The weather is great also. I Always wanted to do a pic thread on the city and the Chinese Museum. 14 hour drive one way.A day in the park. They had the Eye Way Way collection last time I visited.

Sorry WayWay Fish cant spell.

But carries on without a comma, by the bush in Buffalo.

She had a snake for a pet

and an Amulet

She was breeding a dwarf

But she wasn't done yet. She had grey green skin, a doll with a pin. I told her she was alright but I could'nt come in.

Well actually I was very busy at the time.

She had that Camarillow Brillow,Flaming out along her head.I mean her Mendocino bean-o

by where some bugs had made it red.

Originally Posted by splitlid

The ownership of the house document is the tor ror 900.

From what I can see, that's not correct. The TR900 form is a form to request a house ID number - an address (i.e. 123/4 Moo 5).


คำขอรหัสเลขที่บ้าน (ท.ร.900)

คำขอรหัสเลขที่บ้าน (ท.ร. 900)

แบบคำร้องขอเลขรหัสประจำบ้าน

ใบคำร้องขอเลขรหัสประจำบ้าน ท.ร.900

You can see a copy online here: http://www.nakornnont.com/service/display_2.php?id=3

I simply don't know why any of you folks are STILL answering Freddy's nonsense.

He's putting crap into a feeding bowl and you keep eating it !!!

Move on for Christ's sake !



Wasp

Originally Posted by Neverna

You can see a copy online here: http://www.nakornnont.com/service/display_2.php?id=3

Possibly.
I have always understood that the form gives the house number which is registered by the village head( whatever).
He assigns the number and puts it on the form, to complete the form he needs the build permit, copy of chanote, and permission from the land owner (if required).He may also want to see drawings and lease agreement.
By him completing that form it officially records who is the owner of the property.
With that for the owner can apply for the blue book (with a Thais help, or whatever.)
That is the only way to get a blue book for a new build as far as I'm aware.
The tor ror 900 is proof who is the owner of the property.
There is no other document that I know of, that explicitly and legally proves who is the owner of the property.

The TR900 form is handed in to the "amper" during the application procedure and presumably is not returned to the house owner/builder. If so, it couldn't be used as proof of ownership at a later date, could it?

And if the house is sold after registration, the information on the TR900 form would be incorrect/out of date.

splitlid, farangs don't get blue books, but yellow house books, your name will only appear in the blue house book as the father of any children who are resident there.
[QUOTE="splitlid"]There is no other document that I know of, that explicitly and legally proves who is the owner of the property.

That's the land title and the planing permission, if you have a land title and planing permission.

A lot of village areas don't have any formal titles, making it hard to get planing permission.

My village has no land titles, so no planing permission and not likely to get permission for the neighbors house.

Yes I know you can't get a blue book in your name. And I know the govt take the tor for 900 to give a blue book.dont suppose a photocopier is available.
Round and round we go.
Fuck me. Wish I'd never posted.
Anyway. You guys carry on

Originally Posted by splitlid

I have always understood that the form gives the house number which is registered by the village head( whatever). He assigns the number and puts it on the form, to complete the form he needs the build permit, copy of chanote, and permission from the land owner (if required).He may also want to see drawings and lease agreement.

The head man has nothing to do with the allocation of house numbers. Numbers are given by the Amphur after the build is inspected.

It would appear that many people's experiences, beliefs, opinions differ in this case. I'm led to believe that all opinions are valid, as they seem to relate to different areas of the country. Best Freddy does what he believes is true and go from there.

Exactly, people are just parroting what they were told in their area. Just goes to show how diverse interpretatios are throughout the county.

No uniformity leads to massive confusion and threads like this.

Originally Posted by splitlid

Yes I know you can't get a blue book in your name. And I know the govt take the tor for 900 to give a blue book.dont suppose a photocopier is available.

Splitlid, it is an application form. Anybody can obtain/download one and write in whatever they want - truth or not. As such, it is not 'proof' or 'evidence' of anything, certainly not ownership.

I'm sure you don't have to press the point.
I've been told on more than one occasion that it is the only proof of ownership.
You have been told something different.
I accept that
End of.

Originally Posted by splitlid

Best Freddy does what he believes is true and go from there.

Yes splitid, only one way to learn.

Keep us posted wiggy. come back in a year.

Thank you for everyone's advice. I'll make it work. Know it won't be easy, but I'm as hardheaded as they come so. Cheers