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    Family loves me. I would do anything for them and they know this. And I intend to always help out at the farm and around the house when I can. They have a man that loves their daughter more than anyone ever has and a son in law they can count on to help if needed. That's my way. And the builder I've chosen is English who has filled me in on the legal particulars on owning the house and land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy
    Family loves me.
    In what way?

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    I presume you've been with this gal a long time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy View Post

    Family loves me. I would do anything for them and they know this. And I intend to always help out at the farm and around the house when I can. They have a man that loves their daughter more than anyone ever has and a son in law they can count on to help if needed. That's my way. And the builder I've chosen is English who has filled me in on the legal particulars on owning the house and land.

    Fook me Freddy,

    Thanks for the troll.

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    If you must buy or build here - Do it in Your Village - not hers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy
    I will be having a home built in Sisaket province, on the in-laws property
    Why do that when you claim in another thread
    My wife has property in Sisaket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy
    Family loves me.
    In what way?


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    Because I treat their daughter with respect and love, and I help them around the house. They've never asked for a thing. I buy them things because I know they need them, and they know I don't make much money here in the states. What I meant by the wife's property is that her Mom gave her a section for us to build a house when we got married.

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    I'm surprised no-one's mentioned usufruct.

    They own the land, but you own the rights.

    My solution includes this and having a joint mortgage in the West and kids educated in the West, and Mrs with a career in the West, so a shack in the Siamese sticks ain't worth fighting over.

    Anyway, she'd lose, 'cos I really am more loco than any Thai

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy
    What I meant by the wife's property is that her Mom gave her a section for us to build a house when we got married.
    But did the MiL do the name changes on the land? If not, she unfortunately gave her daughter nowt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    Anyway, she'd lose, 'cos I really am more loco than any Thai
    There has been talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    So if the falang has all that stuff covered can the Bints Mum stop him from crossing her land to access his house. ?
    I always ponder this question.
    An old ladder-truck might solve the problem...Unless she owns the air-space, too...

    Or sneak in under the cloak of darkness...Heh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo View Post

    I'm surprised no-one's mentioned usufruct.

    They own the land, but you own the rights.
    It's all a lot of shit anyway innit.

    So Harold from Bournemouth splits with Lek and Harold is going to live in his house on Leks mums land.

    Bolloks to that,


    Lek will be living in Harolds house and Harold will move to Pattaya to be with all the other fookin losers.


    Gota love a thread like this EH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishlocker
    Honestly, she said it's quite simple. You take her, your wife that is, to the temple. She drinks some kind of water and holds one hand up to the side of her head and swears ( saban something something curse that your body will swell up like a baloon and death follows if she lies) that she will not steal from you.
    Love conquers all...Still think fish's method is the best...Wouldn't wanna have a Pi haunt you for the rest of your life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    So if the falang has all that stuff covered can the Bints Mum stop him from crossing her land to access his house. ?
    Yes so if you build anywhere make sure you have access from a public road.

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    A bit of advise. No way would I rush to build a house anywhere in Thailand. Rent in the area for at least a year. Do your homework. Look around for a builder whose work you like. Get whatever property the wife buys under a lease before you spend one baht on a house. If you run into any reluctance on the part of your wife to do so, be very suspicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    A bit of advise. No way would I rush to build a house anywhere in Thailand. Rent in the area for at least a year. Do your homework. Look around for a builder whose work you like. Get whatever property the wife buys under a lease before you spend one baht on a house. If you run into any reluctance on the part of your wife to do so, be very suspicious.
    Lease, usufruct, right of habitation, on and on, not one will hold up in a dispute.
    Worse, some could see you arrested, all can be voided by your wife at any time, that's why you never hear of farangs winning a court case.

    If you build a house in the sticks, it's your wife's house, only way to gain some tenure is by having a bank mortgage in the wife's name.
    You pay, while you pay you can stay, things go tits up, walk away and the bank gets the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Lease, usufruct, right of habitation, on and on, not one will hold up in a dispute.
    Been down this path with you before. 3 times went to court in the past and usufruct terms upheld. Friend just did so few months ago and won. Court upheld the usufruct. Divorce settlement included wife paying the guy about 3/4 th of the cost to build the house. And no I shant give you court case numbers.

    Fred just do what turns you on but don't believe a farang is bound to lose in a Thai court. Just isn't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    Lease, usufruct, right of habitation, on and on, not one will hold up in a dispute.
    Been down this path with you before. 3 times went to court in the past and usufruct terms upheld. Friend just did so few months ago and won. Court upheld the usufruct. Divorce settlement included wife paying the guy about 3/4 th of the cost to build the house. And no I shant give you court case numbers.

    Fred just do what turns you on but don't believe a farang is bound to lose in a Thai court. Just isn't true.
    Yes I remember, but you have never posted anything to back it up, or any relevant laws to support your claim.
    What court overturned these laws.


    Thailand Civil and Commercial Code
    Book IV: Marriage

    TITLE I
    Chapter II
    Section 1469

    "Any agreement concluded between husband and wife during marriage may be avoided by either of them at any time during marriage or within one year from the day of dissolution of marriage; provided that the right of third persons acting in good faith are not affected thereby."


    Thai Land Code Act B.E. 2497 (1954) update 2008

    Section 96 When it appears that any person has acquired land as the owner in place of an aliens or juristic person under the provisions of Section 97 and 98, the Director-General shall have the authority to dispose of such land and the provisions of Section 94 shall apply mutatis mutandis.

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    A few years ago we built our house on land that has been in Mrs Borey's family since it was originally settled about 100 years ago. We built near an old fence line that had been there longer than anyone could remember. As they were constructing our new wall along the property line, we found the original 50-year old survey marker. The house was completed, and we moved in. No problems, right?


    A couple of months ago, the next door neighbor decided to split her land up to give half to her sister, so called in a survey crew. They determined that the old chanote deeds showed that the actual property line runs about 10 meters west of where the property had been marked. That places my access road and about 1/2 our house on the neighbors land. Supposedly, the chanote will be changed to match the original survey marker, but no action yet. The neighbor, so far, has not said anything, but may think she's due a payday.


    If it's possible to screw something up.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamescollister
    What court overturned these laws.
    In the divorce case of my acquaintance the judgement was passed by the provincial family court.

    In the 3 I was involed in all were judgements by a civil court judge.

    Have you ever been involved a a court case in Thailand? Just asking as you seem to know the system well.

    All I can pass on is my personal experience and others I know for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borey the Bald
    The neighbor, so far, has not said anything, but may think she's due a payday
    Exact same thing happened just down the road from me. Caused quite a bit of excitment in the village.
    All sorted now. Believe there was some compesation paid. Everyone happy, happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy
    In the not too distant future, I will be having a home built in Sisaket province, on the in-laws property (best idea I'm sure). J
    What could possibly go wrong!

    Advice number 1, and it's important so heed it: only spend money you can afford to walk away from. Do not spend your retirement money or needed savings on this endeavour because there is a greater than 75% chance that it will work out badly for you, imho.

    2: go back and read number 1.

    3: Yes, I've done it. I spent $25,000 or so building a house on the inlaws place although we had the land cut in half and one half (where the house is) put in my wife's name with chanote and all proper legal proceedings. Nope, the house is not in my name and cannot be. If we split up I will claim nothing from her and simply walk away - I don't even live in the house and do not intend to...

    Also, apart from the main point here: I don't give a fuk about the money invested or the house, as I have already given it up - if it works out for me, if I live there some day or even holiday there it will simply be a bonus..., apart from that, I have been with the wife for over 10 years before I built the house (not personally, you understand).

    Lastly, I was in another country when the house was built and simply received picture updates, I had very limited input - no stress when Somchai fuked up which they always do...
    How do I post these pictures???

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    Ok, so if I decide to build on another property and not the in-laws, in the event of a divorce, house is 1/2 each like here in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredwiggy View Post
    Ok, so if I decide to build on another property and not the in-laws, in the event of a divorce, house is 1/2 each like here in the states.
    That's a yes and no question, depending on who's name your wife buys the land under.
    Farang married name and the land office will get you to sign an agreement, that you make no claim to the land.
    Her name Thai and you are not legally married, again it's her land.
    If married, but wife keeps her Thai name in Thailand and the land office doesn't know about you, then you fall under the family court, 50/50 split.

    Norton, was witness in a civil case, bit more complex, farang against farang in LA and farang against the other guys ex in Thailand.

    Cut it short, he won the civil case against the girl in Thailand, was awarded 3 mil Baht, but the court couldn't or wouldn't force the sale of the land.
    As she doesn't have 3 mil baht she had the court defer the cost for 5 years.

    As an unsecured creditor his options are limited, there is a special court that deals with Thai alien civil disputes or file for her to be made bankrupt.
    She keeps the land, small house and shop and nothing he can do.

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