Thread: The NZ Frozen Slog

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Without knowing what you're specifically referring to... I'm guessing it's logging of pine, non-native so-called 'sustainable logging'.

There are huge tracts of Pinus radiata in both North and South Islands. Of course they've taken the place of native forest but logging of those is pretty much non-existent these days.

Yup, it does look like a moonscape after the felling . . . really saw how massive it is on the road from Napier to Gisborne, one timber truck after the other - empty ones (with he trailer stacked on the main rig - amazing) zooming back for another load . . . on single lane roads.

I haven't seen much original forest, though I remember more in the south island

Originally Posted by panama hat

. . . told them we were friends of Ant . . . they ran away

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Cnuts!

Can you blame them?

Ok - Napier and Hastings . . . seemingly incredibly dead. Had a lamb and mince pie in Napier and a Jaffa Milkshake - highlight of Napier. (Ah, pay-toilet - 20cents - bastards)

Hastings . . . not even worth the trouble getting out of the car.

Gisborne - Nice, had a great meal at the Fisherman's Club - was told I couldn't buy alcohol without being a member, so the guy next to me bought the drinks and wouldn't even take the money.

Going on vineyard drive today Hic!!!

All the best PH with your move i wish your family happiness and contentment in your new home.

^ Yes, the same from me. Exciting times.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Will miss the friendliness of the people

Barely in the country and Hatter's already taken up the local customs...

I'll have the Dutch beef croquettes followed by the Lamb shank tagine !!! I wish

Originally Posted by panama hat

we very seldom eat red meat or any meat, really, but every now and then -

But when they do there's fukkin blood everywhere

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by panama hat

Will miss the friendliness of the people

Barely in the country and Hatter's already taken up the local customs...

Speaking of which . . . you are sorely missed by some:

Originally Posted by bankao dreamer

I'll have the Dutch beef croquettes followed by the Lamb shank tagine !!! I wish

Sounds pretty good, eh . . . (note the 'eh' at the end of the sentence)

Originally Posted by Dillinger

But when they do there's fukkin blood everywhere

Part of it is the beetroot gnocchi, but when you have beef it may as well still be bleeding!

Oh. It may as well be bleeding, eh!

Originally Posted by peterpan

"and Kiwi drivers are . . . so calm and polite and slow"
Things must have gone downhill then since I left I remember well enough even tho it was many years ago driving from the ferry drop of and doing close enough to 190 KPH in my tricked up brock 240Z for a couple of hours, but those were days when Hoons were proper.

PP- I have not seen one single person speed, unless overtaking on the highway. Not a single one.

Perhaps they changed the laws because of the likes of you and Ant - bloody hoons!

Originally Posted by peterpan

Things must have gone downhill then since I left I remember well enough even tho it was many years ago driving from the ferry drop of and doing close enough to 190 KPH in my tricked up brock 240Z for a couple of hours, but those were days when Hoons were proper.

They definitely have mate. I about poop myself when I go back because I have to learn to drive and obey road rules again after the chaos that is Thailand.

Since I'm usually back around Xmas/New Years they also run these 'zero tolerance' campaigns which basically means that if you're clocked at 101km/h in a 100km/h zone you'll get done.

Couple of few years back I received a speeding ticket in the mail here in Thailand from a speed camera that snapped me doing 104km/h. Cost me about $140 (plus an $80 admin fee that Avis had added for the work it took them to give the police my address/contact details in Thailand... Cnuts)

"Eh"
I'm still trying to choose a desert

haha Ant, I hear ya bro!

They used to have a speed tolerance of 10km per hour (not anymore)...

Another pet hate of mine, the pigs deliberately conceal their speed cameras
behind trees, etc.. or at the bottom of hills with steep declines, knowing fool well (with the aid of gravity) vehicles will naturally speed up slightly... inducing us to break their strictly imposed speed limit *ching ching! gain them revenue... nice

In most other countries, this practice is illegal and called entrapment. In NZ it's our national sport (next to Rugby, of course).

Do they not do the Red Nose thing there over Christmas and New Year?. Where you can go out and drink and be merry and then call a number and a sober person comes and drives you home? I know they do in Europe. It works out cheaper than a taxi and in silly life losing accidents.

And taxis are rather picky about drunk passengers.

Cameras are usually hidden, what's the use of having them out in the open? Should they have big arrows pointing at them too!!!

Yes pls! big bloody great arrows works for me! lol

Much easier to spot innit... make 'em glow in the dark while ya at it, cheers

Originally Posted by patsycat

Cameras are usually hidden, what's the use of having them out in the open? Should they have big arrows pointing at them too!!!

They could have big signs that say "Speed camera area" in order to encourage people not to speed in that area. It works for me!

Trouble is, goody goody sheeple in NZ have taken to believe the propaganda that speed kills in an explicitly literal way.. i.e. if you travel faster than the speed of 100 km hr *even by a fraction of a flies clit, the world will instantly implode on itself in a puff of smoke.

Some have even gone so far as to police the right lane (commonly and legally known as the fast or overtaking lane) by coasting merrily along at 80 km hr, blissfully ignorant as to us behind them plodding along behind the belligerent buggers...

whew!.... needed to release that long, incoherent paragraph... feel much better now :-)

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

They used to have a speed tolerance of 10km per hour (not anymore)...

They don't anymore???? Damn, I tend to coast along at 105-108 thinking that woudl be ok

Originally Posted by Neverna

They could have big signs that say "Speed camera area" in order to encourage people not to speed in that area. It works for me!

Well, that's what it should be - a deterrent, not an immediate, fund-raising punishment

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

Trouble is, goody goody sheeple in NZ have taken to believe the propaganda that speed kills in an explicitly literal way.. i.e.

Well, with increased speed does come decreased reaction time, but there are soooooo many signs along the highways about speed, safety etc . . . it's outright dangerous reading all those signs when you're supposed to be paying attention to the traffic

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by Neverna

They could have big signs that say "Speed camera area" in order to encourage people not to speed in that area. It works for me!

Well, that's what it should be - a deterrent, not an immediate, fund-raising punishment

Speed cameras are a pox on civilised societies, an indiscriminate tax on law abiding people's and an unholy abomination on the right to travel freely about the land.
That being said, if we don't have them all of our children would be mown down by adolescent road warriors and Counsil estate chavs. Lesser of evils prevails in this instance

I agree with both you guys (Stinky and Panama) regarding your point about outright speeding. Of course, I don't mean we should allow race car speeds..

However, what I do mean is they should allow a speed tolerance within a reasonable margin.

Yes, given laws of physics, the faster an object travels, the more the impact when colliding with another impact - I just don't believe speed in itself 'kills'.
I believe human error, misjudgement, miscalculation, distractions, etc
kill in the vast majority of cases, more than driving 5-10 km hr faster than posted speed.

Why is it then, that even with the unlimited speed limit on the autobahn
Germany still has a much lower death per capita than NZ with it's anal speed policy?

Everyone is so petrified of getting a speed camera fine, that no one dares even get close to the maximum allowed speed. So, instead of driving at 100 - 110 km hr on the freeway, everyone is driving along at 80-90 km hr, thus clogging the road system even further.

No one keeps left anymore. It's almost a national sport to police the right lane at 80-90km hr (protecting us from ourselves) causing frustrated motorists to undertake/pass on the left and sometimes causes accidents.

I believe people's driving skills have eroded due to the heavy push at speed restriction - if the rules were relaxed today, people would not be prepared to drive at the 'faster' speed... (ok, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it lol).

Oh, I love my fellow Kiwis, but for the love of God, KEEP LEFT!! ya tossers.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

No one keeps left anymore. It's almost a national sport to police the right lane at 80-90km hr (protecting us from ourselves) causing frustrated motorists to undertake/pass on the left and sometimes causes accidents.

Can't say I've noticed that myself to be honest... But that may be due to watching my own speedo like a hawk to ensure I'm not speeding, to the exclusion of knowing what the fock is going on around me.

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

Why is it then, that even with the unlimited speed limit on the autobahn
Germany still has a much lower death per capita than NZ with it's anal speed policy?

In my opinion it's the roads.

The standard/quality of NZ roads is a bit shit (major highways etc. notwithstanding).

Whole bunch of factors really from the material used to seal them to corners even having the wrong gradient/camber.

Originally Posted by Plan B

It's hooligans like you speeding around at 104km/hr that make us sensible folks that accidently nudge 103km/hr look bad.

Oi you, keep out of the fast-lane!