Thread: Briton kills German tourist who was filming his daughter on ipad

Article 21 of the Spanish Criminal Code provides for mitigation of a criminal act upon conviction on several grounds including those acts incited by "fury".

Article 20 sets out the grounds for a defence of provocation but these do not apply in the Sikh's circumstances unless he argues that his actions were proportionate and based upon a "rationale" and necessary to protect himself and others from imminent harm.

I should imagine he will plead to a lesser offence and receive a light sentence on the grounds that responsibility for his actions could be mitigated by reason of his legitimate anger.

Originally Posted by Markus

With the red carpet treatment that homosexuals get , you are surprised that this sicko was free as a bird to do as he pleases ?

I wasn't aware that homosexuals get 'red carpet treatment' and can do as they please.

Actually, that's pretty much bullshit, isn't it

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

From the reports I have gleaned it seems the father only delivered one punch but a post mortem is awaited.

If this is the case, then the father was unfortunate and perhaps does not deserve to go to prison for a long time.

Violence is no kind of answer, and one punch can and often does kill. But, in a rage one can lash out, and that's wrong but kinda understandable. Beating somebody to death, as the the OP passage stated, is quite a different thing.

Until the actual details are explicated, it's very hard to know what happened. Was there prior history here? Has the dad previous convictions for GBH? Did the German guy hang around their home taking pics, and this was known to the father? So many possibilities... The one clear point is the abysmal nature of the reporting, as per usual...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

British man ‘beats German tourist to death at posh Spanish resort after catching him filming his daughter on an iPad’

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

s, i'm afraid Blue has got it back to front (as he is wont to do when he forgets which 'character' he's writing in) !

Of course, Karith, in many social circles, is a folk hero for having done what so many Dads claim they would do, and beat a Nonce to death for posing a threat to his child.

If ethnicity is to be a factor, then that of the dead guy is more relevant, rather than the Dad who gave him his just desserts.

Wrong. You are just asserting your political views, you are not addressing the details as laid out. Your entire post is diatribe (as has been happening an awful lot recently).

I don't support Blue's viewpoint, which is racist, but he is correct at one level: the headline, you can check it above, foregrounds nationality; 3 times - it didn't have to, other words could have been chosen, but it did... Your OP, Moog, foregrounded nationality, thus to then accuse Blue of being 'back to front' for pointing out elements of nationality is just incorrect.

The most foregrounded element of the headline (itself a super foregrounding device) is British; this is done in numerous ways. With the addition of the words German and Spanish, nationality is massively foregrounded; it cannot be missed; the words of the title were chosen to explicitly highlight that.

Now, the guy, as Blue pointed out, does not have a traditionally British name, so this adds an unresolved conflict; it needs more investigation (which the rag in question does not offer...). 'Traditionally British' is a tricky term due to our very long history of population mix, the guy's name is just an indicator, and he may be more 'British' than either myself or Blue, but that's unlikely.

What can be said is:

1) Blue noticed something unusual, an unresolved conflict in the article, and commented upon it. He was right to do so. People should be using critical thinking skills to challenge conventional discourse, and Blue did just that.

2) The article is badly written; it's politicized, badly researched and detailed drivel, as one would expect from virtually all the British daily newspapers. Journalists do enjoy pretending to be superior while more often than not being total scum of the lowest level with zero intellectual or writing credibility.



I would add, I agree with Moog that folks just shouting 'kill the Paedo, kill the paedo' just remind me of Nazi guards or Rwandan murder squads or pub yobs or snipers killing women and children from a mile away. It would be nice if some folks actually used their brain instead of just jumping into the lynching mob because they may find, once they've stopped kicking the victim in the head, that they are the ones destroying society...

I don't know the whole story. From reading the OP, you have some guy filming a child on his iPAD. Nothing more. It certainly seems strange, and the dad was correct to challenge the person and to call the police and let them deal with the matter. Now, the dad will go to prison so will not see the kid grow up; the kid is likely traumatized in a way that she may never feel comfortable around her violent father again; some guy, guilty or not (we don't know) is dead.

A bad ending for everyone.

1) The OP was the early breaking news story from the Daily Mail, probably half an hour off the wires. In developing stories of course more information emerges - as they did this morning. In the original story, the word British was used, but not the man's name.

2) Blue is a highly amusing poster who is anti <.......insert Noun....> in extreme, as a comic device . It seems that in his post, the point he was trying to make was the killer was British-but-not-really-he's-Indian.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

The OP was the early breaking news story from the Daily Mail, probably half an hour off the wires.

So? Standards should be maintained at all times; that's an editors job...

I only commented upon the headline, and it was not responsible or quality reporting. It was terrible, sensationalizing, attention grabbing nonsense of the sort that gets mob mentality firing on all cylinders... The media and their complete lack of integrity is a massive problem in the UK; it damages society. This is another example of that.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

It seems that in his post, the point he was trying to make was the killer was British-but-not-really-he's-Indian.

& he may be right. I don't know. But, he was correct to point out the unresolved conflict. As I said, the guy might have lived in Britain all his life. Or, he may just have picked up a UK passport out of convenience and not be British at all. If Blue cares about that kinda stuff then it's correct for him to highlight it.

We do have these issues in the UK, with the Bradford raping groups which seem to be of Pakistani origin rather than British. They need to be brought out into the open and discussed, then addressed, and that includes setting a wider context to include rape and child abuse culture of the British 'aristocracy' aswellas the rape and child abuse culture of the Indian subcontinent immigrants to Britain.

Standards and Daily Mail do not really go together. Very surprised they didn't say that mass immigration was to blame for the German, and that Princess Diana once visited Spain.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I only commented upon the headline, and it was not responsible or quality reporting. It was terrible, sensationalizing, attention grabbing nonsense of the sort that gets mob mentality firing on all cylinders...

This was the DM's headline...

British man ‘beats German tourist to death at posh Spanish resort after catching him filming his daughter on an iPad’

how would you have H/L'ed it if you were the subbie?

Per head of population in UK, there's more wacky allawallah and towelled Pakis than any other cultural group, being picked up for gang induced child sex abuse.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

British man ‘beats German tourist to death at posh Spanish resort after catching him filming his daughter on an iPad’

I wouldn't take the job at that paper because there is no integrity from the management/owners...

'beats German man to death' seems like a line they could be sued over, as it is just so much hyperbole and if the father did in fact just punch the other guy once, then it's pure lies.

'Britain beats German man to death', just reeks of ww1/ww2 style nationalistic propaganda where the killing should be celebrated; this is the worst kind of journalism - I would not work for a paper that deliberate foregrounds that idea.

'German tourist' is probable untrue and known to be at the time. It suggests, in this context, that the guy actively went there to film children. This may or may not be true, and is not an accusation that should be made just to sell papers...

'posh Spanish' is just inane wording attempting to identify with the readers, but is incredibly patronizing and insulting to those readers; especially considering I strongly suspect the writers/editors of this rag would most definitely NOT identify themselves within the same social group.

The second clause, in a needlessly long title, is just meaningless and likely highly inaccurate.

It's just a terrible headline of the worst kind for so many reasons...

I don't know how I would write it because it is not my line of work; I'm not an editor and would not wish to work for a newspaper - I think their time has gone, they are nowadays just mouthpieces for crony capitalism and/or pure propaganda. They are not meant to inform, and they do not inform. They are meant to manipulate social practices through dishonest discourse. Terrible state of affairs...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

British man ‘beats German tourist to death at posh Spanish resort after catching him filming his daughter on an iPad’

I wouldn't take the job at that paper because there is no integrity from the management/owners...

'beats German man to death' seems like a line they could be sued over, as it is just so much hyperbole and if the father did in fact just punch the other guy once, then it's pure lies.

'Britain beats German man to death', just reeks of ww1/ww2 style nationalistic propaganda where the killing should be celebrated; this is the worst kind of journalism - I would not work for a paper that deliberate foregrounds that idea.

'German tourist' is probable untrue and known to be at the time. It suggests, in this context, that the guy actively went there to film children. This may or may not be true, and is not an accusation that should be made just to sell papers...

'posh Spanish' is just inane wording attempting to identify with the readers, but is incredibly patronizing and insulting to those readers; especially considering I strongly suspect the writers/editors of this rag would most definitely NOT identify themselves within the same social group.

The second clause, in a needlessly long title, is just meaningless and likely highly inaccurate.

It's just a terrible headline of the worst kind for so many reasons...

I don't know how I would write it because it is not my line of work; I'm not an editor and would not wish to work for a newspaper - I think their time has gone, they are nowadays just mouthpieces for crony capitalism and/or pure propaganda. They are not meant to inform, and they do not inform. They are meant to manipulate social practices through dishonest discourse. Terrible state of affairs...

Yellow journalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yellow journalism, or the yellow press, is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers.[1] Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism.[1] By extension, the term yellow journalism is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion.[2]

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I only commented upon the headline, and it was not responsible or quality reporting. It was terrible, sensationalizing, attention grabbing nonsense of the sort that gets mob mentality firing on all cylinders...

This was the DM's headline...

British man ‘beats German tourist to death at posh Spanish resort after catching him filming his daughter on an iPad’

how would you have H/L'ed it if you were the subbie?

What's even odder in this is Moog complaining about Blue while he concocts stories about the German's accent, mannerism etc . . .

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

How do you think the confrontation unfolded?

Mindful that the part about him grabbing the ipad and swiping through pictures of his daughter and the previous shots of child porn is already established.

How do I think the confrontation unfolded? I don't know. I read what the paper tells me based on either witnesses or the police report.

I don't start putting words in the guy's mouth, state that he was sniggering at the Brit, nor do I give him a Colonel Klink type of accent.

From Moog: It was terrible, sensationalizing, attention grabbing nonsense of the sort that gets mob mentality firing on all cylinders

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

"Ja. So vot you gonna do about it"

Does the news report really state the following?

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

a few swipes back, photos of children being raped (possibly by the German).

Oh, I see what you did there . . . the brackets, absolving you of all adherence to literary boundaries.

Go on, Moog tell us how you're different from Blue - if anything you're worse, far worse by inventing crap and creating what you so aptly call:

From Moog: It was terrible, sensationalizing, attention grabbing nonsense of the sort that gets mob mentality firing on all cylinders

^^^^ "Man dies after being struck at upmarket resort" just doesn't have the same ring to it....

In the world of Internet Media and your target audience, nationality is everything.
No one in England is interested in a Finn punching and killing a Turk in Madagascar are they?

^ the truth might be relevant at some point. Honesty of reporting might be relevant at some point. Social responsibility might be relevant at some point. Industry standards and ethics might be relevant at some point. The list goes on.

If I walked into your house and told you that your wife had just been violently murdered by Somchai (when in fact I knew that this was not the case...), you might, rightly, think that my actions were wrong. Unfortunately, this is happening on an endless basis on a massive scale as the foundation of media reporting in the US/UK. It's criminal.

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

Yellow journalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yellow journalism, or the yellow press, is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers.[1] Techniques may include exaggerations of news events, scandal-mongering, or sensationalism.[1] By extension, the term yellow journalism is used today as a pejorative to decry any journalism that treats news in an unprofessional or unethical fashion.[2]

Yes.

Although, I feel it's worse than that because there's strong political and social deconstructionalist intent at the base of it. It's not just bad journalism to sell more papers, it's framed discourse to manipulate society.

assoc. professor boo, university of stanley unwin (formerly dagenham primary school)

Although, I feel it's worse than that because there's strong political and social deconstructionalist intent at the base of it. It's not just bad journalism to sell more papers, it's framed discourse to manipulate society.

you talk just like my young niece and all her tedious friends who recently graduated from a university in the uk with teaching/media studies type degrees.

you cant make head nor tail of what they are trying to say, and when asked for a more in depth version of their unshakeable beliefs, strongly held dogma and unwavering doctrine they just give you the blank wide eyed look of the exam student who suddenly finds they have misplaced their notes.

have you by any chance just taken a course at a university or college in the uk?

b.t.w. no offence meant.

^

Tax, if you like being lied to and manipulated by the media, if you find it comfortable to walk with the dumb herd, then feel free, be my guest.

I do have postgraduate qualifications in textual analysis, but that won't matter to you because you don't respect the concepts of education or critical thinking - far easier just to munch down on the grass... Keep up the good work... Should we all go out today and bash anybody we see filming a child on their iPAD, make the world a safer place!!!

^ Betty should go back to fighting for or against antidisestablishmentarianism....

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Although, I feel it's worse than that because there's strong political and social deconstructionalist intent at the base of it. It's not just bad journalism to sell more papers, it's framed discourse to manipulate society.

I agree with what you say about the Daily Mail. I put it on here because firstly I understand it might not be available in Thailand, so it gives people a look at it. Secondly, Dailymail.com is sort of like crack cocaine.

Your post grad work was time well spent then. I wonder though if there are better uses for it than on us in Teakdoor. Eg - academics forums.

How can filming anyone or anything in a public restaurant justify a beating unless he was filming or watching the girl in the toilet?

Or was the girl masturbating or showing off her fanny in public? In which case filming would be wrong.

I ask as i once sat through the spectacle of young european lad sat with his family at a beach restaurant in Nai Harn who inexplicably pulled his cock out and knocked one out under the table on full view of everyone except his family who appeared oblivious or were just used to it.

Most diners just politely averted their eyes insofar as possible. If any had pulled out a camera Id have thought it a bit pervy.

At worst some may have been put off the tom ka gai that day.

I think the chap will get sympathy and understanding from the court, they are Spanish they love their children more than their pets ( unlike us Brits)
He will easily show he is no danger to the public, unless they wish to take images of his children for their sexual gratification, that test should apply to us all. IMO

How old was the daughter? 16?

Originally Posted by Bower

I think the chap will get sympathy and understanding from the court, they are Spanish they love their children more than their pets

Hard to say. He has certainly wrecked his life for the time being (though not as much as the German man's)

An early story reported that the angry Dad saw some child porn on the ipad, put two and two together and went ballistic. Later stories say the contrary - there was no porn on there.

I guess it will all emerge in his defence case. If he pleads provocation or diminished responsibility it would seem to require more than just a person taking a snapshot in a public place.

Originally Posted by Bower

He will easily show he is no danger to the public

We simply don't know if that is true. Everybody jumps on the paedo angle, it's programmed in like the 'terrorist' word or 'communist' word, but we simply don't know.

Maybe the guy was just taking holiday snaps, maybe the father has 5 convictions for GBH already... One thing that we do know is that this one source is no basis for judgement.