Thread: Anyone wearing a poppy today?

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I wonder why?

To buy tin foil hats?

Right - so you are saying that what I have written is not true?

Fuck off, educate yourself. oh and fuck off.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Fozzy

If it weren't for our money hungry war mongering, the likes of Hitler, Mussolini, and Sadam Hussain would have all been decent, law abiding pillars of the community.

Ah ha. Hitler - Bush family were his bankers. Sadam - where did he get all his money and guns from? From the US. Mussolini was given a salary of 100 quid a week by mi5.

I wonder why?

Anyway, fuck off aberlour.

Nice to see necron from Kansas has jumped in as well. "Oh no! Someone not spouting the standard lies from the worlds power brokers! Quickly jump in and ridicule to make myself feel smug".

Fucking MOD? Pathetic.

So you fail to give a cite to your bullshit quote and back it up by giving another manufactured quote, again without a cite.

extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit."

^ That makes absolutely no sense in the context of the times.

I doubt you have ever read the work, but can you provide the volume and page for your new bs quote? I have the books, so can look it up

Originally Posted by pseudolus

"Germany’s unforgivable crime before World War Two was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn’t profit anymore"

More convoluted and totally distorted nonsense.....Germany was not given any choice under the terms of the Versailles treaty. They were basically kicked out of the world trade system. The post WW1 Weimar republic suffered under hyper-inflation to the extent that the currency had no value.

Furthermore, a great many statements attributed to Churchill were never made by Churchill at all, or some that were made, have been taken way out of context to fit the narratives of idiots, when it's convenient. To suggest that somehow WW11 was somehow started by the British in order to preserve and/or access German markets is simply absurd, and Churchill never said anything of the sort.

If there is any blame for the German predicament between the wars; blame the Frogs....they were the ones that insisted on such punitive conditions in the TOV.

Then, along came the good old Nazi party of course, with ambitions to invade and rule Europe.....starting with a bit of blitzkrieg here and there, ...which of course wasn't really their fault.....the British put them up to it.....to gain market share... Let's go bomb the shit out of Warsaw this week....it's gonna be great for business.

I mean Rolls Royce was flogging aero engines to them and they were flogging Lugers to the Russians....which were used to murder all those Poles in the Katyn forest massacre that was initially blamed on the Germans.....and so on and so on....the plots and subterfuge just never stop.... and it's all the fault of the banks and those dastardly rich people who now compel us to wear poppies every November.....

....oh wait, non of this has ANYTHING to do with wearing poppies, or remembrance day!!!

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by pseudolus

"Germany’s unforgivable crime before World War Two was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn’t profit anymore"

November.....

....oh wait, non of this has ANYTHING to do with wearing poppies, or remembrance day!!!

Of course it is. The whole of WW1 and WW2 was a plot cooked up by the Rothschilds after the English and French evacuated the Crimea as part of a plan to corner the market on paper poppy manufacturing.
Had nothing to do with Archduke Ferdinand, Austrian hegemony of the Slavic states or Hitler invading Poland at all.

Actual knowledge verses foil hat conspiracy theory. Brutal but fun to watch

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by nidhogg

verifiable historical source

Like what? Something from the Carnegie Institute?

Just because you do not see something on the first few pages of 13,000 pages where that has been quoted you assume it is not true, whilst chucking in a nice bit about your being "well read".

Hmm. Did you read Churchill's "The Second World War" - Unabridged Version per chance where he drops this little number?

"Germany’s unforgivable crime before World War Two was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn’t profit anymore"

Back to your sandpit mate. You head might be getting cold.

So, a personal attack, inability to provide a verifiable source and a second spurious quotation.

Short answer is no then?

Originally Posted by chassamui

You have to admire the Queen Mother and the King. They steadfastly remained in London throughout the war. Refusing to evacuate even during the blitz. Unlike my Dad who, at the out break of war, immediately pissed off to Northern France, Italy, North Africa, and India on some jolly organised by the government.

LOL.

My grandad hid down a deep dark mine -as a Bevin boy......

^
Like the Chinese watching that wanker leaving Hong Kong ,

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

The British love the Germans

They are very nice considering the forfeits they were required to make for losing the war. Turns out they are people just like us. Strange that innit?

Make bloody good cars to. Not to mention their love of sausages. I like people who like sausages.

Who you support by wearing your Poppy.

Bryan Adams' Startling Photos Of Injured Vets Will Move You More Than Any Lovesick Song

^
Yes , very sad days seeing injured troops no matter who they are .

Choose what to be COE or be discriminated against.?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by chassamui

^The country did not go to war so that people could wear poppies. It went to war so you would be able to choose.

Very well said, Chas. That's it exactly.

Originally Posted by Fozzy

Actual knowledge verses foil hat conspiracy theory

Entertain us with these verses, Aberlour

James McClean poppy decision thoughtful.
respectful and dignified, says Sinn Fein's McGuinness

James McClean of Wigan Athletic during Friday's clash against Bolton Wanderers

Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness has offered his support to James McClean after the footballer refused to wear a poppy during his team's game against Bolton Wanderers at the weekend.
The Londonderry-born Wigan Athletic midfielder, in an open letter to his club chairman, described how he would support the Royal British Legion's Poppy Appeal if it was solely for those who fought and died in the First and Second World Wars.

However, he said the Army's role in the Troubles - and in particular its actions on Bloody Sunday in Derry - meant that for him to wear the symbol would "be seen as an act of disrespect to my people".

The Creggan man said: "I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs, and ask for people to respect mine.

"I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong.

"In life if you're a man you should stand up for what you believe in."

There were mixed reactions to his letter and the poppy's omission on the winger's shirt on Friday night.
During the game against Neil Lennon's Bolton, sections of the crowd booed the Republic of Ireland international.

On social networks the 25-year-old was warmly praised by some and heavily criticised by others for his stance.

James McClean poppy decision thoughtful, respectful and dignified, says Sinn Fein's McGuinness - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Thoughtful people would see remembrance day and the poppy as a symbol for all dead in conflicts and not politicize it.
Very early on Johnny Turk was welcomed to ANZAC day services and there is hope yet that the Japanese will be welcomed too.
It's about remembering, accepting and letting go.

I don't think world wars or any other armed conflict are very good things to try and commemorate longer than necessary whatever rationale you try and stick on it.

If the world has recovered from a massive haemorrhage of lives best to try and bury it and move on once a suitable period of mourning for the dead has passed.

WW1 was a 100 years ago. Is it not long enough ago to just let it go with the last of the surviving soldiers who are surely all dead now.

Why not commemorate Trafalgar or Waterloo too? It was only 200 years ago.

I do not think deliberately making people remember wars helps to prevent future conflict. It only reminds people of the pain and injury suffered which does not achieve anything positive in terms of long term geo-political goals such as reducing the scale and frequency of armed conflict.

Originally Posted by Looper

I do not think deliberately making people remember wars helps to prevent future conflict. It only reminds people of the pain and injury suffered which does not achieve anything positive in terms of long term geo-political goals such as reducing the scale and frequency of armed conflict.

True, but it can't hurt for people to take a couple of minutes a year to ponder the sufferings of Private John Q. McCannonfodder and if the poppy appeal raises money to help the injured then that is also a good thing since they can't rely on the governments that spend bazillions thinking of ever more nauseating ways to incapacitate them.

Originally Posted by Looper

I don't think world wars or any other armed conflict are very good things to try and commemorate longer than necessary whatever rationale you try and stick on it. If the world has recovered from a massive haemorrhage of lives best to try and bury it and move on once a suitable period of mourning for the dead has passed. WW1 was a 100 years ago. Is it not long enough ago to just let it go with the last of the surviving soldiers who are surely all dead now. Why not commemorate Trafalgar or Waterloo too? It was only 200 years ago. I do not think deliberately making people remember wars helps to prevent future conflict. It only reminds people of the pain and injury suffered which does not achieve anything positive in terms of long term geo-political goals such as reducing the scale and frequency of armed conflict.

When do you suggest that the UK and Commonwealth governments stop funding the work of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission? Should the national governments privatise the RBL and other national veterans charities. Oh wait, they can't because they would inherit the financial need they created, and they have consistently neglected in the first place.
Much more to war than the layman seems to realise.
War by its very nature is riven with mistakes. If we forget history we are condemned to repeat those mistakes.
Lest we forget.

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/medi...Report2013.pdf

Although the detailed report is 76 pages long, the breakdown of funding is on page 2.