Thread: Brand on Cambot and the fabricated ISIS bollocks.

very entertaining...factually correct as well.

Has he got another book coming out..?

I like his style.

Originally Posted by Neo

Has he got another book coming out..?

Nope. Didn't watch the video then and prefer the mainstream medias narrative about what he says rather than actually what he says?

I'm glad to see he's no longer at his living room desk wearing undies and has moved to a bed wearing clothes. His English is purr-fect.

I believe he would have quite a following if he ran for office in the UK.
Possibly make a fine tag-debate team with MP Galloway.
Assuredly would get the hummus vote.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

I believe he would have quite a following if he ran for office in the UK.

rather unlikely in that he believes, quite correctly, that voting is a waste of time.

Only a member representing one of the two (red and blue as usual) parties can become PM, and they are sold out 100% to big business and the rich.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

I believe he would have quite a following if he ran for office in the UK.

rather unlikely in that he believes, quite correctly, that voting is a waste of time.

Only a member representing one of the two (red and blue as usual) parties can become PM, and they are sold out 100% to big business and the rich.

Thank you pseudolus.
I was not aware of Mr Brand's feelings regarding voting. It's a pity as he can appear quite passionate. Yes, he is an actor.

Nor was I aware about who can run for British office.
Possibly the same as China only allowing HK to vote on candidates hand-picked by Beijing.

Did the first-elected UKIP MP recently jump ship after being elected from one of the other two parties ?

Caveats: (1) I am not a British citizen. (2) I do not wear a ManU jersey.

I like Brand, but I still thought this was pretty damn funny:

Sacha Baron Cohen tipped for Emmys for tragi-comedy character ?Russell Brand? | NewsBiscuit

Originally Posted by pseudolus

very entertaining...factually correct as well.

Up to a point but then he undermines any credibility by overstating the case that energy companies are responsible for climate change ( a proposition yet to be supported by any real science as opposed to the bad science suckling on the teat of endowments, public funding etc.) and the puerile claim motor transport is decimating Britons.

His assertion that America and Britain are the architects of the current security crisis within Syria and Iraq is of course beyond question but scarcely news.

He has an intellect but is hampered by sloppy thinking and over reliance upon doctrine passing as fact.

Also, he has those silly football tattoos along his lower arm - very poor form.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Nor was I aware about who can run for British office.
Possibly the same as China only allowing HK to vote on candidates hand-picked by Beijing.

Loathed as the red and blue flag waving brigade will be to admit it, but in a country where leader of the majority runs the show, and you have to be a member of those parties to nominate the leader, the actual number of people who can be PM is limited vastly by this. 2 people basically selected by a small click of elites backed up by their corporations. The only difference between the system in HK and the UK is that in HK they are at least honest about it.

That view is essentially puerile and simplistic nonsense so typical of the intellectually lazy and ill informed.

But then you are young and presumably have not benefitted from an education of any academic rigour.

^^^ Thank you for bringing clarity on the subject. I never realized it was so bad in Britain as many have informed me of all the UK's 'liberal' qualities.

I guess we all live under the same brain train (drain). Well at least some of us ;-)

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

^^^ Thank you for bringing clarity on the subject. I never realized it was so bad in Britain as many have informed me of all the UK's 'liberal' qualities.

I guess we all live under the same brain train (drain). Well at least some of us ;-)

Same in the USA, and most other countries in the world. The "leader" that people select from is from a short list of 2 people selected for them by a tiny tiny tiny minority. It makes no difference who you vote for, because with these set ups, you vote red or blue and get Corporations and Elite in power.... still...

Anyone who has been addicted to permanent mind altering drugs in the past should not be allowed to get involved in Politics . Although the former drug addicts should be allowed to post on Teadkdoor , but just their names should be highlighted, just so everyone knows

There should be great big flashing lights around your name then eh.

Originally Posted by astasinim

There should be great big flashing lights around your name then eh.

No, I have never taken drugs, let alone be addicted to them .

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Neo

Has he got another book coming out..?

Nope. Didn't watch the video then and prefer the mainstream medias narrative about what he says rather than actually what he says?

No and no, I just think he's a self promoting twat.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Neo

Has he got another book coming out..?

Nope. Didn't watch the video then and prefer the mainstream medias narrative about what he says rather than actually what he says?

No and no, I just think he's a self promoting twat.

You should listen to him as I think you'll find his views mirror yours on the majority of issues.

I watched the first bit of it, he was going on about the flags behind David looks like Batmans wings and that the share prices on screen had some kind of significance ,other than letting people know the share price .
I lost interest after that, he may have had some good points, but Im not going to wade through 15 minutes of attempted humour and rubbish to find them .

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by astasinim

There should be great big flashing lights around your name then eh.

No, I have never taken drugs, let alone be addicted to them .

You mean your not high as a kite when you post most of your bollocks? Jeysus, you need more help than I thought.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

He has an intellect but is hampered by sloppy thinking and over reliance upon doctrine passing as fact.

True. His recent outbursts (publicity stunts) regarding revolution in the UK were purely soundbyte advertising for his latest book called Revolution, it wouldn't be so bad if the points he made weren't so poorly considered, trying to tell the youth not to vote as it's a waste of time (you have to wonder what side he's working for there) and claiming that mass protests will force a revolution (disregarding the single reason why we haven't had a revolution since the English civil war and why we will never have one, the Oath of Allegience)

It is good high profile characters get involved with political issues, but with Brand there's always an element of self promotion about it, and when he does get his information badly wrong, as above, he does more harm than good.

So when the only people who can lead the country come from 2 parties, hand selected by a tiny tiny minority of elite, all backed by the same corporations, and on top of that, a media machine that only gives them coverage.... what is the point of voting? Biggest message that could be sent to the owners of the UK is it NO ONE voted at all.

Oath of Allegiance? Do me a favour! Who in the world believes in an oath of allegiance in the UK? Problem is that you see revolution as being something violent when in fact history shows that passive and non violent movements are the ones that have the most impact.

Are you scared of Change?

Originally Posted by astasinim

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by astasinim

There should be great big flashing lights around your name then eh.

No, I have never taken drugs, let alone be addicted to them .

You mean your not high as a kite when you post most of your bollocks? Jeysus, you need more help than I thought.

Maybe you could address the actual posts, rather then making a sweeping statement, thanks

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

He has an intellect but is hampered by sloppy thinking and over reliance upon doctrine passing as fact.

True. His recent outbursts (publicity stunts) regarding revolution in the UK were purely soundbyte advertising for his latest book called Revolution, it wouldn't be so bad if the points he made weren't so poorly considered, trying to tell the youth not to vote as it's a waste of time (you have to wonder what side he's working for there) and claiming that mass protests will force a revolution (disregarding the single reason why we haven't had a revolution since the English civil war and why we will never have one, the Oath of Allegience)

It is good high profile characters get involved with political issues, but with Brand there's always an element of self promotion about it, and when he does get his information badly wrong, as above, he does more harm than good.

So when the only people who can lead the country come from 2 parties, hand selected by a tiny tiny minority of elite, all backed by the same corporations, and on top of that, a media machine that only gives them coverage.... what is the point of voting? Biggest message that could be sent to the owners of the UK is it NO ONE voted at all.

Oath of Allegiance? Do me a favour! Who in the world believes in an oath of allegiance in the UK? Problem is that you see revolution as being something violent when in fact history shows that passive and non violent movements are the ones that have the most impact.

Are you scared of Change?

I disagree with the no voting policy as you won't change anything, UKIP like or hate them are showing that change can be made at the ballot box and politicians who are supposed to serve us and be accountable to us are finally realising that we will boot the fukin lot of them out to get real change. While the Tories and Labour will still be the biggest 2 parties after GE2015, I guarantee both will have less seats than they do now as the SNP will decimate Labour in Scotland and UKIP will take numerous seats from the Tories and possibly a few from Labour in England.

I don't agree with compulsory voting as if people don't want to vote then that's their choice but if you can't be arsed to vote then don't complain about the government you get.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

He has an intellect but is hampered by sloppy thinking and over reliance upon doctrine passing as fact.

True. His recent outbursts (publicity stunts) regarding revolution in the UK were purely soundbyte advertising for his latest book called Revolution, it wouldn't be so bad if the points he made weren't so poorly considered, trying to tell the youth not to vote as it's a waste of time (you have to wonder what side he's working for there) and claiming that mass protests will force a revolution (disregarding the single reason why we haven't had a revolution since the English civil war and why we will never have one, the Oath of Allegience)

It is good high profile characters get involved with political issues, but with Brand there's always an element of self promotion about it, and when he does get his information badly wrong, as above, he does more harm than good.

So when the only people who can lead the country come from 2 parties, hand selected by a tiny tiny minority of elite, all backed by the same corporations, and on top of that, a media machine that only gives them coverage.... what is the point of voting? Biggest message that could be sent to the owners of the UK is it NO ONE voted at all.

Oath of Allegiance? Do me a favour! Who in the world believes in an oath of allegiance in the UK? Problem is that you see revolution as being something violent when in fact history shows that passive and non violent movements are the ones that have the most impact.

Are you scared of Change?

Perhaps you should consider what your typing there mate instead of jumping in with a kneejerk reaction.

Yes the 2 party system may be corrupt, but not voting won't change that.
I think that is pretty much proven as the numbers of eligible voters that don't vote probably outnumber those that do, and if you lived through the 80's and 90's you'll know of the myriad ways that the Tories manipulated the system, linking the right to vote to the council tax was most effective in discouraging many. Point is why Brand said don't vote.. he would be better off saying vote for the Greens, that's not a wasted vote, that is a message and it's for a party that does represent the causes that he apparently feels passionate about.

As for..

Oath of Allegiance? Do me a favour! Who in the world believes in an oath of allegiance in the UK?

After the English Civil War, the commoners were allowed free association and the foundation of parliament, in return the army swore allegiance to the monarchy, a token gesture, but a very effective one. It meant that in a civil crisis the army could not be split along sectarian lines, therefore making another civil war impossible. And it worked. After WWII the Oath of Allegience was defined, all the armed forces, the judiciary, the civil service and the police force swear allegiance to the monarchy (the state) So... who believes in it..? Well the establishment certainly do, their very existence in times of civil unrest depends on it, and every person that swear the oath maintains their allegiance under threat of prosecution.

A revolution can only be successful if the apparatus of the state has the ability to side with it, in the UK that is virtually impossible..,

Don't let Brand's way of thinking cloud your judgement, he serves a purpose, but there are far better informed people out there trying to achieve change, and doing it without all the showbiz.