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    DVLC - Wankers

    I've just discovered I can't renew my UK license while living abroad.

    It was no problems 10 years ago and 10 years before that.

    Now they want a UK address (which I have) with evidence that I have been living there for the last three years (which of course I don't have).

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    ^

    Jesus, that's a tad sussed innit. ??????

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    ^Yeah. Tossers.

    Now if I take a trip back I'll have to use my Thai license when renting a car, if they'll even accept that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Now if I take a trip back I'll have to use my Thai license when renting a car, if they'll even accept that
    Yes they do. You can drive on a Thai license for 12 months from day of entry. An incorrect address on a UK license is an automatic 1,000 Pound fine. Don't risk it.

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    ^ I think it's one of those 'can result in a fine of up to 1000 pounds' but normally won't kind of things.

    I'm guessing all you would need is a bank account or something similar registered at a UK address. Worth people thinking about when they move abroad, just keep something active at a parent or siblings address so you still exist in the UK on paper.
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    No, it's fixed at 1,000 Pound.

    Over 2.6 million motorists hadn't updated their driving licence with their current address in June 2013, according to insurer Direct Line. It sounds bonkers, but forget to update your address and you risk a 1,000 fine if stopped by the police - so check now to make sure it's correct.
    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/tra...-licence#check
    Last edited by Pragmatic; 12-10-2014 at 07:55 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Gerbil;2880201]I've just discovered I can't renew my UK license while living abroad.
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    Stupid twat of course you can't unless you live there and anyway what is the advantage of having a UK license?

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    ^ Read the fucking OP. You used to be able to. They've changed the rules.

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    ^^^ If you read that link it says "up to a thousand pounds" which is how they normally word it when that's the maximum fine they can give you but doesn't always mean the judge will give it. TV licence is exactly the same. They scare people by telling them what they could potentially face but doesn't always mean that's what they'll get.

    I know for TV licence they very rarely prosecute and ask for the full grand, no idea about DVLA though, perhaps you're right perhaps it's a case of get caught get fined a grand simple as that. Seems a bit draconian to me.

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    I can understand not being able to get one in a foreign country unless you can prove you live there but not to be able to renew an existing one in your own country is bang out of order.

    What happens if you move home 5 years later, need to take a test again?

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    DVLA recommends a fine of up to 1,000 for a failure to surrender a photocard driving licence on expiry. However, the police have discretion about the level of any fine. According to government figures, from 2010 the police have intercepted around 734,000 drivers with an expired photocard driving licence. These drivers have paid fines totalling 41 million. The average fine is 55.86.

    Complete Guide to Renewing Your Photo Driving Licence

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    So if your out the Country 3 years you have to re take your test ??

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    To qualify for a UK driving licence now you have to be classed as resident in the UK which means you spend at least 185 days a year in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan View Post
    So if your out the Country 3 years you have to re take your test ??
    No you just reapply when return to live in the UK if your licence has expired in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    DVLA recommends a fine of up to 1,000 for a failure to surrender a photocard driving licence on expiry. However, the police have discretion about the level of any fine. According to government figures, from 2010 the police have intercepted around 734,000 drivers with an expired photocard driving licence. These drivers have paid fines totalling 41 million. The average fine is 55.86.

    Complete Guide to Renewing Your Photo Driving Licence
    Thought as much, typical government scare tactics which a lot of people fall for. The inland revenue are the worst, their adverts are hilarious. They make it sound as if they catch you owing a bit of tax they'll drag you in to the back of a van with a sack on your head, take you to an abandoned warehouse, string you up torture and execute you. Stupid wankers.

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    As far as I was aware a UK driving license doesn't expire not like here in us where the different states charge by the year giving the option to renew for up to 10 yrs at a time currently AU$40 a year in south Australia thieving cvnts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve down under
    As far as I was aware a UK driving license doesn't expire
    The old paper licenses don't expire and apparently there is no legal obligation to update to these photo id's that need renewing every 10 years

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    If you don’t have a satisfactory UK address

    You’ll have to pay a ‘financial penalty deposit’. This will be either:
    • the total of all fixed penalty notices issued (if you want to appeal, you must do so within 28 days)
    • 500 per offence if you go to court (this depends on the seriousness and number of offences - you’ll have to pay on the spot and go to court later)
    In both cases the maximum amount you’ll have to pay as a deposit is 1,500. You have to pay this straight away - if you don’t, you might not be allowed to drive your vehicle.
    The money from deposits is used to pay any fixed penalties or court fines.
    You’ll be refunded any money left over from your deposit after fines have been paid.

    Your vehicle will be immobilised if you don’t pay the deposit.
    https://www.gov.uk/roadside-vehicle-...ixed-penalties

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzy View Post
    I can understand not being able to get one in a foreign country unless you can prove you live there but not to be able to renew an existing one in your own country is bang out of order.

    What happens if you move home 5 years later, need to take a test again?
    Generally you need a valid driving license for the country you LIVE in or probably more correctly you need a license from the country you pay tax in. So if you live in Thailand for more than 3 or it maybe 6 months you need a Thai license. Live in Canada for more than 3/6 months same thing. If you don't live in UK, ie are classified as non resident for tax purposes then you don't live there so..get one in the country you live and pay taxes in.

    If you go home after 5 years and have a valid Thai license, your old UK one will still be on their records so you simply apply for a new one after the 3 or 6 months. You will probably have to do the vision test, which you probably have to do anyway when renewing a license.

    Caution. If you have any connection with the "home" country like property,etc you may be liable to taxation. A "connection" may include a driving license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    if you live in Thailand for more than 3 or it maybe 6 months you need a Thai license.
    From my understanding, after driving here for 3 months on a IDP a Thai license must be obtained to validate your insurance. I'm sure someone will say different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by steve down under
    As far as I was aware a UK driving license doesn't expire
    The old paper licenses don't expire and apparently there is no legal obligation to update to these photo id's that need renewing every 10 years

    Mine expires in 2035. 50 years validity. It's on a A5 sized sheet, and still has 6 penalty points from 1990.
    Can't wait for a request to produce it next time I get pulled over in the UK.

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    Why do you want a UK licence? the Thai licence is brilliant, I have rented cars in UK US NZ and Europe without problem ,even better when you trigger a camera and the rental folks tell the DVLA in the UK who had hired it, your Thai address means that's the last you hear of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    Caution. If you have any connection with the "home" country like property,etc you may be liable to taxation. A "connection" may include a driving license.
    Probably true but you are seriously over estimating how organised UK government departments are. If they all linked up their data bases then a lot of people would be screwed. As it is they don't know shit about anyone in my experience. The inland Revenue would never in a month of Sundays know if you had a DL or not IMO.

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    ^^Not necessary Donald36. I used my Thai license to hire a UK car, Avis I recall. I prepaid with my Debit Card. During my visit I got caught on camera for illegal parking and the car hire firm paid the fine and took the fine, plus a clerical fee, from my Debit Card details that I'd given to hire the car. Hence why car hire firms won't accept cash.
    In the end I proved I wasn't illegally parked and the money refunded after a bit of letter writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzy
    Probably true but you are seriously over estimating how organised UK government departments are. If they all linked up their data bases then a lot of people would be screwed. As it is they don't know shit about anyone in my experience. The inland Revenue would never in a month of Sundays know if you had a DL or not IMO.
    Revenue are after absent landlords who live abroad and don't pay tax on rental income. There is a proposal to remove the individual personal tax allowance for this group and if HMRC can prove a connection using DL I am sure they will.

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