Thread: Betty & Friends on Religion in Korea

yep those educated guys don't seem to be able to read these days.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Are you a Christian, Humbert?

No, I don't believe in pixies, the man in the white beard or the sun god.

And to go back to the original subect; I never waved a flag, never served in the military never owned a gun and disliked both Reagan and Bush. But I still love my country. Not because it is right even half the time but because it is the land where I grew up and because both my parents worked hard to give me a better life than they had.

Such a shame the thread got derailed can the Mods split the thread.

^It's the lounge. Shit happens. Relax.

there you go guys your very own thread.

now get a go of this one 1500 missionaries flock to UK.

Save your own country BETTY

Missionaries flock to Britain to revive passion for Church

MISSIONARIES from Africa, Asia and the Americas are flocking to Britain in their hundreds to convert a nation that they believe has slipped into godless secularism.
About 1,500 missionaries and their full-time staff from 50 countries are believed to be operating in churches in Britain at the moment. Sixty per cent are from America. Most of the missionaries come from countries where Christianity was introduced by Britons in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The role reversal follows vast growth of the Church in Africa, Asia and South America and a steady decline in church-going in Western Europe.
Andy Peck, assistant editor of Christianity and Renewal magazine, has written a guide for churches on how to make foreign missionaries feel welcome. He suggests ways to help them acclimatise to the "island mentality". Mr Peck said: "The days when Britain led the world in exporting Christianity along with coal and cricket have long gone. Having led the way we are now on the receiving end of help."
The Anglican-based Church Mission Society, which has sent missionaries abroad for the last 200 years, has now brought 20 people from India, Uganda, Chile and Sierra Leone to reinvigorate dying parishes. Stephen Tirwomwe, from Uganda, was invited by the Mission Society in 1997 to work in a struggling Church of England parish, St Philip's in Osmondthorpe, east Leeds. British missionaries opened the first church in Uganda in 1877.
Mr Tirwomwe, who has come with his wife and two children on a five-year missionary visa, said: "It was so depressing when I first arrived to find churches empty, and being sold, when in Uganda there is not enough room in our churches for the people. There is a great need for revival in Britain - it has become so secular and people are so inward-looking and individualistic. The country needs reconverting."
Mr Tirwomwe, 54, has been knocking on doors in inner-city Leeds asking people to church. He said a third of the doors open and some people have responded. The greatest barrier, he says is the "English reserve", which he claims inhibits people from talking about God.
Marcos Barros, a pastor from Brazil, came to London eight years ago. He has spent three years in Edinburgh and now runs the East Lancashire Community Church in Bolton. Pastor Barros said: "There is a lot of growth in Brazilian churches as a result of the work done by European missionaries, mainly from Britain. Some lost their lives in their endeavour to spread the Gospel. What is happening now in South America is a result of their sacrifice and we see ourselves as their spiritual children."
Mr Barros, 41, who joined a Presbyterian church at the age of 17, works with 50 missionaries in the movement Go To The Nation. The organisation sends missionaries to work alongside clergy in Methodist, Baptist, Anglican and Church of Scotland parishes. Most arrive on a one-year student visa and learn English before getting a two-year missionary visa.
He said: "Christianity was so vibrant in Britain until 50 years ago but the passion has faded. We need to revive that passion, that first love. We believe it is God's plan to revive the UK." Martin Thomas, from the Church Mission Society, believes foreign missionaries can inject a "new lease of energy" in British churches and reach ethnic minorities.

^ just supports my point, mate. Britain is not interested in religion, we were over it. The problem now is the Muslims that are forcing there beliefs and stupidity upon the UK.

^ Personally, I tell them to fuk off and twat them...

Understanding that nearly all wars, conquest, occupations, imperial/colonial regimes have taken place because of the instinct to bestow religious [and cultural] indoctrination on others...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ just supports my point, mate. Britain is not interested in religion, we were over it. The problem now is the Muslims that are forcing there beliefs and stupidity upon the UK.

Yet, the same forced upon was quite ok for your kind for 150 years.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I hate, really hate, missionaries

I don't really give proselytizers for organized religions a second thought. They are in their own orbit. They usually never intersect with my life so I am indifferent to their activities. As long as they stay in their churches and read their scriptures and sing their hymns my attitude is live and let live. When they try and ram their views down our throats though legislation is when I have a problem.

Mods, in your zeal to keep things tidy you put this post in the offspring you created. Don't you really think it belongs in the original thread?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Are you a Christian, Humbert?

No, I don't believe in pixies, the man in the white beard or the sun god.

And to go back to the original subect; I never waved a flag, never served in the military never owned a gun and disliked both Reagan and Bush. But I still love my country. Not because it is right even half the time but because it is the land where I grew up and because both my parents worked hard to give me a better life than they had.

Relax its the lounge

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Could you explain how one religion has forced it's values on another.

You're not one of those silly religious people are you?

If I am a Muslim, come to England, set up home then start beating up local women (who are from a Christian based society) that wear short skirts because even though their religion allows it, mine does not, then a religion is forcing its views on another. That's wrong.

If I goto Thailand and stop my wife going to the wat because I'm a Christian then I'm forcing my views upon her.

Of course, oppression and coercion is far more subtle in most cases, is ingrained in discourse, and can be as simple as the crosses that are on my coffee mug as I speak (placing alien icons into a culture until their become the norm, become naturalized - this is the way women, blacks, countless others, have been oppressed over the ages; it's political...).

In Korea, missionaries from the US have come in massive numbers to convert people to their belief system. They have been quite successful from the 1950s onwards (other people tried before with limited success).

Anybody that denies this massively obvious fact is just dense. But, religious folk are dense, they believe that a man with a little white beard sits in 'heaven' and dictates who will live and who will die, and how and when, according to his 'davine' intervention. Various groups of these religious idiots believe that when they die they will command their own planet, have 72 virgins to serve them, various other insanities... In Britain, we deplore such stupidity. In the US, it's very common; 70% or more of the population? Obviously, stupid folks from the UK, who were mocked and shunned, got on the Mayflower and other ships to go to the New World, kill the indigenous population and force their absurd and perverted views on others - that was their remit, and sadly, for many, it continues to be.

So, when 70%+ of your population are insane, are so lacking in thinking skills that they follow their belief system to the letter, handing out bibles and pamphlets, going to other countries to convert people, etc, then yes, you can group the majority as fukin stupid. The majority of Americans are fukin stupid. Some of my closest friends are Americans; Jeff who I work with has his PhD from UCSC and is a great guy - he tells me regularly that: 1) the majority of Americans are fukin stupid; 2) the cultural imperialism conducted by Americans in Korea is sickening...

I am afraid you did not answer my question, are the Korean people not free to choose for themselves whether to accept or reject the missionaries teachings. Other than stating your opinion how did my question lead to a rant on nchristianity?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I am afraid you did not answer my question, are the Korean people not free to choose for themselves whether to accept or reject the missionaries teachings.

Well, it's a stupid question; I thought (hoped...) you were being ironic.

If I live in Finsbury Park then I am free and have a choice to do what I wish, but when my neighbourhood is taken over by others with different beliefs, the Wimpy is closed down and replaced with a halal butcher, the gf is beaten up for wearing a miniskirt, I'm woken every fukin morning at 5am by the call to prayer, local jobs in my area are not open to me because I am suddenly of the wrong religion, local pubs that I enjoy having lunch at are closed down due to Muslim pressure groups, the list goes on, then people of other cultures are forcing their values upon me in a way which forces me to change my habits and lifestyle whether I like it or not...

The same is true of Koreans in Korea, very obviously to most folk. The example above shows a movement of perhaps 3 or 4% of Muslims into the UK, so imagine how drastic the change in Korea where the Americans have been behind a 20%+ increase in a foreign and culturally imperialistic religion...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

On a weekly basis, sometimes daily basis, I have American Christians and Korean Christians from American churches coming upto me peddling their insanity.

fcuk is that all - my secretary's ring tone is some american woman saying " i am eternally grateful to have jesus christ in my life "

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by cyrille

When was the last time someone in a position of power 'deplored' anything to do with the stupidity of Christianity in the UK?

Not surprising, it would be suicidal since England is one of the few countries in the world that has an official state religion.

Heh...touche'.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I am afraid you did not answer my question, are the Korean people not free to choose for themselves whether to accept or reject the missionaries teachings.

Well, it's a stupid question; I thought (hoped...) you were being ironic.

If I live in Finsbury Park then I am free and have a choice to do what I wish, but when my neighbourhood is taken over by others with different beliefs, the Wimpy is closed down and replaced with a halal butcher, the gf is beaten up for wearing a miniskirt, I'm woken every fukin morning at 5am by the call to prayer, local jobs in my area are not open to me because I am suddenly of the wrong religion, local pubs that I enjoy having lunch at are closed down due to Muslim pressure groups, the list goes on, then people of other cultures are forcing their values upon me in a way which forces me to change my habits and lifestyle whether I like it or not...

The same is true of Koreans in Korea, very obviously to most folk. The example above shows a movement of perhaps 3 or 4% of Muslims into the UK, so imagine how drastic the change in Korea where the Americans have been behind a 20%+ increase in a foreign and culturally imperialistic religion...

This response is so weak I cannot believe you posted this, in no way is anything Boeing forced on anyone in your senerios you have the choice of rejecting all of this, and posting about Muslims has nothing to do with Christians, apples and oranges. If you say you are unable to get your preferred food because it has been replaced by food only for one religion I call you a liar, if you say you have to choose a particular religion to have a job I say bull shit. If you are going to back up your posts at least stick some what close to reality.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ you don't seem comfortable with facts, real things that really happen...

Muslims and Christians are both religions, you do know that right? Religion is insanity and stupidity mixed into one, you do know that right?

Read this:

This exhibition demonstrates that many of the colonies that in 1776 became the United States of America were settled by men and women of deep religious convictions who in the seventeenth century crossed the Atlantic Ocean to practice their faith freely. That the religious intensity of the original settlers would diminish to some extent over time was perhaps to be expected, but new waves of eighteenth century immigrants brought their own religious fervor across the Atlantic and the nation's first major religious revival in the middle of the eighteenth century injected new vigor into American religion. The result was that a religious people rose in rebellion against Great Britain in 1776, and that most American statesmen, when they began to form new governments at the state and national levels, shared the convictions of most of their constituents that religion was, to quote Alexis de Tocqueville's observation, indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. The efforts of the Founders of the American nation to define the role of religious faith in public life and the degree to which it could be supported by public officials that was not inconsistent with the revolutionary imperatives of the equality and freedom of all citizens is the central question which this exhibition explores.
Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

Now, that was a passage talking about how America was established and how it developed. Next step, consider such folk, such religious zeal starting to colonize places like Korea...

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

You obviously missed this, but the subject and issue was not Korea, missionaries or religion. Even though you and Humbert have totally derailed the thread into your own little private pissing match.

Davis, the subject was quite open and in the lounge, it flowed in different directions... Nonetheless, the mods separated it, and that's fine.

I don't think you can discuss Americans/America, as was the topic thread title, without talking about religion; the entire reason for the Mayflower to set off was religion!!! Religion is a major part of America, perhaps the defining part (at least one of the key defining areas...). Explicating the imperialistic nature of America, another defining area of Americanism since WW2, is something required if one is gonna breach the thread title.

So, respectfully, I disagree. However, I do agree it's kinda pointless and I have been ranting on somewhat...

I guess everyone is entitled to there opinion, not a problem with me, however if you try to put Christians and Muslims side by side you could not be a bigger idiot. For professing to be the Pluto of modern days your skills in that area seem to be a bit lacking. By the way why did you not address the point I was making, the Christian religion being forced on the people of South Korea, I have the answer for you, you know the nonsense you are spouting is absolute bull shit.

^ Muslims and Christians are the same in many ways; foolish, idiotic unthinking fukwits who believe in a fella with a white beard ad the knower of everything and the 'one creator', angels, smiting, etc, simples really.

As far as Korea goes, I've answered it about 15 bloody times...

Christianity is an alien religion to Korea. The Yank missionaries have come in massive numbers to change the people into Christians, they are forcing their beliefs upon people who are from an entirely different culture. It really isn't that hard to understand...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ Muslims and Christians are the same in many ways; foolish, idiotic unthinking fukwits who believe in a fella with a white beard ad the knower of everything and the 'one creator', angels, smiting, etc, simples really.

As far as Korea goes, I've answered it about 15 bloody times...

Christianity is an alien religion to Korea. The Yank missionaries have come in massive numbers to change the people into Christians, they are forcing their beliefs upon people who are from an entirely different culture. It really isn't that hard to understand...

No you have not addressed the issue, and that is how they can FORCE anything on the Korean people that they choose not to accept, and what you threw out to support this is absolute bullox.

A force is any interaction which tends to change the motion of an object...

In this case an alien interaction (Americans) changing social motion (by building churches, offering money for education within a Christian framework, teaching English, preaching ideas, etc, etc, etc).

You really are very dim. No offence...

Betty, I think you mean 'encourage'. I doubt anyone was forced.
Force would be like when the Church of England persecuted followers of other religions in the 17th century. Mayflower ring a bell?

^ I'm using the way force as one would in discourse analysis (and generally in science as well as common discourse...).

For example, even though a nasty American grey squirrel may never have physically beaten a beautiful British red squirrel to death with its nasty big brash American club wielding 'hands', the nasty American grey squirrel has forced the beautiful cute British red squirrel out of its habitat and towards extinction.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ I'm using the way force as one would in discourse analysis (and generally in science as well as common discourse...).

For example, even though a nasty American grey squirrel may never have physically beaten a beautiful British red squirrel to death with its nasty big brash American club wielding 'hands', the nasty American grey squirrel has forced the beautiful cute British red squirrel out of its habitat and towards extinction.

Christianity is an alien religion anywhere outside of Judea.
Ginger squirrels are gay and have no soul.