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    Marriage rate at 93 year low

    This is a US census. I'd like to read more of Europe, Oz, etc. It seems like marriage in the West, for many / most but not all, has become a legal agreement. On the radio here in the US there is a steady advertisement by a law firm for divorce. "Call 1-800 divorce!" Divorce rate is still just above 50% in the US. I know quite a few couples that live together long term w/out getting the marriage license now.

    Your experiences, thoughts and opinions? What your take on the West compared to Thailand/Asia on this?


    Census: Marriage rate at 93-year low, even including same-sex couples


    BY PAUL BEDARD | SEPTEMBER 18, 2014 |


    AP PhotoThe Census Bureau reported Thursday that the nation’s marriage rate is the lowest since 1920, and the first-time inclusion of same sex married couples did little to reverse the decline.

    According to Pew Research Center analysis, the marriage rate of Americans 18 and older hit a bottom of 50.3 percent in 2013, down from 50.5 percent in 2012. In 1920, the first year mentioned, 65 percent were married, and the marriage rate hit a high of 72.2 percent in 1960.


    The new data did not put a number on the homes hosting same-sex married couples, though the Census last year estimated there were 182,000 households headed by gay couples.

    While a big number, Pew noted that it compares with 56 million “headed by opposite-sex married couples,” and that such a small percentage won’t have a big impact on the overall marriage rate.


    Paul Bedard, the Washington Examiner's "Washington Secrets" columnist, can be contacted atpbedard@washingtonexaminer.com.


    http://washingtonexaminer.com/census...rticle/2553600
    Census: Marriage rate at 93-year low, even including same-sex couples | WashingtonExaminer.com
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    The institution of marriage has been devalued by allowing batty marriage, it doesn't mean anything anymore, may aswell be done with it and allow people to marry their pets too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    The institution of marriage has been devalued by allowing batty marriage, it doesn't mean anything anymore, may aswell be done with it and allow people to marry their pets too.
    What do you mean, by "batty."

    Easy, quick, marriages? Marriages of convenience?

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    Same sex marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    The institution of marriage has been devalued by allowing batty marriage,
    Don't agree
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    it doesn't mean anything anymore
    Agree with that from a legal angle. There's very little benefit to getting married, legally (unless for visas etc). It depends on the viewpoint of the people involved as to whether they see any other benefit.
    I personally think the decline is more due to generations of people coming from divorced parents, so not trusting marriage or not believing it necessary to them

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    Evolution of civil law to give "de facto" relationships the same level of protection as marriage removes one of the prime driving factors.
    The other major factor, religion is also in decline.
    And as NR said, a divorce generation is much more likely to devalue the concept.

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    So batty men are 93 years behind the times....

    TD needs a Jamaican owner, hip and modern and correctly homophobic.
    An owner who would dump that
    ''faggot marriage in the USA'' thread.


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    Ahhh old Buju Banton, poor fuker is still locked up isn't he??

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Same sex marriage.
    I do not see it that way at all - I can only speak for my home-country (because that is what I know most about).

    Same sex marriages are still uncommon.

    Also, my OP / question was about hetero marriages (because legal same sex marriages in the USA are new and limited to a few states).

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    With divorce laws so stacked in favour of women and most marriages ending in divorce, if I was a young single man starting out I wouldn't get married, maybe more and more young men are starting to think the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    With divorce laws so stacked in favour of women and most marriages ending in divorce, if I was a young single man starting out I wouldn't get married, maybe more and more young men are starting to think the same way.
    In the US, the trend of couple co-habitating / living together long term without getting married is steady and increasing (will find the stat in a moment) in the USA.

    Sadly, the financially can really hurt someone (it seems to usually be the male, but I may be wrong).

    If you lose a house in a divorce (sometimes the wife has to pay a certain amount to the ex-hub, sometimes not) you never really recover. I know people who got divorced in the late 30s and 40s.

    If there are kids and child support, you'll be paying at least until 18 and now often for a public Uni, which is very expensive.

    Not saying children should not be financially supported - they should be - but the payments are often high and you don't know where the money is spent.

    Marrying a Thai or South East Asia seems to have less financially consequences if there is a divorce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbaro View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    With divorce laws so stacked in favour of women and most marriages ending in divorce, if I was a young single man starting out I wouldn't get married, maybe more and more young men are starting to think the same way.
    In the US, the trend of couple co-habitating / living together long term without getting married is steady and increasing (will find the stat in a moment) in the USA.

    Sadly, the financially can really hurt someone (it seems to usually be the male, but I may be wrong).

    If you lose a house in a divorce (sometimes the wife has to pay a certain amount to the ex-hub, sometimes not) you never really recover. I know people who got divorced in the late 30s and 40s.

    If there are kids and child support, you'll be paying at least until 18 and now often for a public Uni, which is very expensive.

    Not saying children should not be financially supported - they should be - but the payments are often high and you don't know where the money is spent.

    Marrying a Thai or South East Asia seems to have less financially consequences if there is a divorce.
    I would hazard a guess that is because most blokes who marry a Thai are on their second marriage and have learnt a valuable lesson from the first and now know how to protect themselves a bit better.

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    ^ Yes, that seems common.

    As for livin' together before marriage or a long time without marriage:

    Unmarried Couples Living Together Is New U.S. Norm
    By Elizabeth Lopatto Apr 3, 2013 9:01 PM PT 12 Comments Email Print

    Three of four women in the U.S. have lived with a partner without being married by the age of 30, an increasing trend that suggests cohabitation is now a regular part of family life in the U.S., researchers said.
    More people are putting off marriage either because they can’t afford it or because it’s financially risky, said Gail Wyatt, the director of the University of California Los Angeles’s sexual health program. About 48 percent of the women surveyed lived with a partner as a first union, compared with 34 percent in 1995. Others may view cohabitation as a way of test- driving a relationship to see if a wedding will work.

    “Marriage is for people who have money and want to spend money just on the wedding itself,”
    Wyatt said in a telephone interview. She wasn’t involved in the study. “Some people would rather buy a house, or just pay the rent.” People who are poor or less educated may shy away from marriage and its legal complications, she said.

    ....“Cohabitation is a common part of family formation in the United States, and serves both as a step toward marriage and as an alternative to marriage,” the report said.

    THIS IS FROM THE 'COMMENTS' SECTION AT TOP:

    endthefed76 • 4 months ago
    The woman author is trying to put lipstick on a pig (marriage). News flash, cohabitation is the new norm and I'll tell you why. No fault divorce and a rigged judicial system stacked with/for women. In 1970, when No Faults started, less than 5% of men over 40 were never married(I have 3 in my family). Now, it's 20%. I honestly don't know why 80% of men are still that gullible. I'm guessing youth and inexperience because, the odds of a +40 yr old single man getting married are very, very low. Since the avg. marriage only lasts 7-8 yrs and 66% of divorces are directly initiated by women, the marriage trap has become a state sponsored prostitution racket. Only a fool would risk it.
    Unmarried Couples Living Together Is New U.S. Norm - Bloomberg

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    Whether a couple's common-law marriage will be recognized varies from state to state in America. The requirements for being a common-law marriage varies from state to state. This isn't going to change any time soon.

    Unfortunately, when one of a couple ends up incapacitated or dead is when it comes to light that the other has no legal rights. There are no rights to a say in medical treatment, to visit in the hospital, to say how the remains are treated, and absolutely no rights to properly.

    I'm not a religious person so morally it makes no difference to me if someone is married or not. Seeing over the years half of a couple get screwed over by the family or business partners of the other half who unexpectedly passed away, I'm all for people getting married.

    It's a mistake not to get married if a couple expects to stay together for life. It's important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit
    It's a mistake not to get married if a couple expects to stay together for life
    For a woman maybe- but many of the most sensible blokes I know avoided marriage like the plague, and they've still got the wealth to show for it. Sigh.

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    ^ I'm not referring only to people who have wealth. I am talking about your average couple who struggle along throughout life together, too.

    I would think a man, who was only interested in holding his wealth and not the well being of his partner in case of his death, probably would be elated that he didn't have to deal with the partner's hospital bill or funeral if she died.

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    Marriage is and always was a legal matter. It is Hallmark that turned it into a fairy tale. Marriage is a legal partnership for tribal alliance, wealth consolidation and producing offspring. The man in the relationship is called a husband. From the word husbandry which means to look after or take care of.

    I think the recent trend would have to do with a lack of a feeling of commitment, that there might be a better choice around the corner.

    But hey why buy a book if you can join the library!
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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    The institution of marriage has been devalued by allowing batty marriage, it doesn't mean anything anymore,
    Absurd . . . marriage is what you make out of it, the value is what you attach to it, the meaning is what you give it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    The institution of marriage has been devalued by allowing batty marriage, it doesn't mean anything anymore,
    Absurd . . . marriage is what you make out of it, the value is what you attach to it, the meaning is what you give it.
    It maybe absurd in your opinion, but in my opinion when same sex marriage became legal in the UK and homosexuals were afforded more rights than hetrosexual couples then marriage was devalued. Homosexuals had the civil partnership and still do but now they also have the choice of marriage aswell, why isn't the option of civil partnerships open to hetrosexual couples??

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy
    The institution of marriage has been devalued by allowing batty marriage, it doesn't mean anything anymore,
    Absurd . . . marriage is what you make out of it, the value is what you attach to it, the meaning is what you give it.
    It maybe absurd in your opinion, but in my opinion when same sex marriage became legal in the UK and homosexuals were afforded more rights than hetrosexual couples then marriage was devalued. Homosexuals had the civil partnership and still do but now they also have the choice of marriage aswell, why isn't the option of civil partnerships open to hetrosexual couples??
    And you have your opinion, I didn't mean to say that you don't/can't. That's not the point, though, is it.

    The point is that by saying xyz has more than abc and concluding that abc is therefore useless/devauled . . . is absurd.

    Marriage is more than a legal or taxation issue . . . it is an ethereal matter, in the sense of transgressing what we can touch or calculate.
    I have been through the wringer of divorce as well - and it wasn't pretty . . .

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    There was an article in the Nation a couple of months ago about there being more single Thai women around and a lower marriage rate that has led to lower birth rates.


    Study examines growing trend of Thai women staying single - The Nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Unfortunately, when one of a couple ends up incapacitated or dead is when it comes to light that the other has no legal rights. There are no rights to a say in medical treatment, to visit in the hospital, to say how the remains are treated, and absolutely no rights to properly.

    I'm not a religious person so morally it makes no difference to me if someone is married or not. Seeing over the years half of a couple get screwed over by the family or business partners of the other half who unexpectedly passed away, I'm all for people getting married.

    It's a mistake not to get married if a couple expects to stay together for life. It's important.
    You raise a very good point, misskit.

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