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    ^ Hmmm well amino acids have been found on comets etc. But that is a dispersion theory not a creation theory. And yes we haven't so far been able to create life in a laboratory.

    Maybe an alien sneezed on a previous visit? While he was looking for Illudium Q-36 in order to refresh his space modulator?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    ^ Hmmm well amino acids have been found on comets etc. But that is a dispersion theory not a creation theory. And yes we haven't so far been able to create life in a laboratory.

    Maybe an alien sneezed on a previous visit? While he was looking for Illudium Q-36 in order to refresh his space modulator?

    Don't be so stupid. There's enough loony ideas in this thread already without you adding more.










    Common knowledge that you can't refresh a space modulator with Illudium Q-36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    10,000 years? says who?
    Homo Sapiens have been hunter gatherers of a sort since they split.
    The San People were living in groups, making tools and poison darts since at least 44,000 bc.
    It's been a lot longer than that.


    Archaic Homo sapiens, the forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.[10][11] Recent DNA evidence suggests that several haplotypes of Neanderthal origin are present among all non-African populations, and Neanderthals and other hominids, such as Denisova hominin may have contributed up to 6% of their genome to present-day humans, suggestive of a limited inter-breeding between these species.[12][13][14] Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago.[15] The transition to behavioral modernity with the development of symbolic culture, language, and specialized lithic technology happened around 50,000 years ago according to many anthropologists[16] although some suggest a gradual change in behavior over a longer time span.[17]


    Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    10,000 years? says who?
    Homo Sapiens have been hunter gatherers of a sort since they split.
    The San People were living in groups, making tools and poison darts since at least 44,000 bc.
    It's been a lot longer than that.


    Archaic Homo sapiens, the forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.[10][11] Recent DNA evidence suggests that several haplotypes of Neanderthal origin are present among all non-African populations, and Neanderthals and other hominids, such as Denisova hominin may have contributed up to 6% of their genome to present-day humans, suggestive of a limited inter-breeding between these species.[12][13][14] Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago.[15] The transition to behavioral modernity with the development of symbolic culture, language, and specialized lithic technology happened around 50,000 years ago according to many anthropologists[16] although some suggest a gradual change in behavior over a longer time span.[17]


    Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    No one seems to question as to the split in genetic form - it came quite fast.
    Some might suspect to close for scientific comfort...

    The missing link.

    Some scientific minds will suggest that the jump of life forms would take tens of thousands of years to be reasoned with and for the split to have developed as is.....but our very distant relatives seem to go from here to there in a suspiciously short time.

    A bit fishy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
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    ..and I thought we were all in agreement that the substances that kick started life as we know it came in on asteroids?
    Sorry to spoil this for you Neal but there is no paleontological evidence that the Clangers ever actually existed.
    Hmm but apparently in this crazy world that does not mean anything at all.

    After all these....




    .... are proof that god, allah, moses, baby jesus, mary, muhamad ... etc existed.

    So therefore



    Is proof that the Klangers exist.

    N'est pas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    10,000 years? says who?
    Homo Sapiens have been hunter gatherers of a sort since they split.
    The San People were living in groups, making tools and poison darts since at least 44,000 bc.
    It's been a lot longer than that.


    Archaic Homo sapiens, the forerunner of anatomically modern humans, evolved between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago.[10][11] Recent DNA evidence suggests that several haplotypes of Neanderthal origin are present among all non-African populations, and Neanderthals and other hominids, such as Denisova hominin may have contributed up to 6% of their genome to present-day humans, suggestive of a limited inter-breeding between these species.[12][13][14] Anatomically modern humans evolved from archaic Homo sapiens in the Middle Paleolithic, about 200,000 years ago.[15] The transition to behavioral modernity with the development of symbolic culture, language, and specialized lithic technology happened around 50,000 years ago according to many anthropologists[16] although some suggest a gradual change in behavior over a longer time span.[17]


    Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    No one seems to question as to the split in genetic form - it came quite fast.
    Some might suspect to close for scientific comfort...

    The missing link.

    Some scientific minds will suggest that the jump of life forms would take tens of thousands of years to be reasoned with and for the split to have developed as is.....but our very distant relatives seem to go from here to there in a suspiciously short time.

    A bit fishy.


    There is a school of thought that evolution can be explosive in nature rather than gradual.

    We see evidence of rapid mutation today in humans, Downes Syndrome, Midgets, Gingers, it's just that none of these mutations lead to a successful path and so don't become dominant.

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    There are some very interesting links at the bottom of this article:

    Even among those who accept evolution, misconceptions abound.
    Most of us are happy to admit that we do not understand, say, string theory in physics, yet we are all convinced we understand evolution. In fact, as biologists are discovering, its consequences can be stranger than we ever imagined. Evolution must be the best-known yet worst-understood of all scientific theories.

    So here is New Scientist's guide to some of the most common myths and misconceptions about evolution.


    Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions - life - 16 April 2008 - New Scientist


    Just stumbled across this article : http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20265
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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post
    There is a school of thought that evolution can be explosive in nature rather than gradual.

    Here is how that may be happening (though who know, really ?):



    NEXT time you have a cold, rather than cursing, maybe you should thank the virus for making your skin. Genes borrowed from viruses seem to give cells the ability to grow into tissues and organs, and even reproduce sexually. Without these genes, animals could not have evolved beyond simple blobs of cells.

    Our cells often need to fuse with other cells, making big cells with multiple nuclei. They do this with the help of proteins on their outer surfaces that stick the cell's walls together and then break them open, so the insides can mix. This mixing is essential for the production of most organs – such as muscles, skin and bone – and even for reproduction, when eggs and sperm fuse. For instance, fused cells form barriers in the placenta that prevent harmful chemicals crossing into the fetus, and internal tubes like blood vessels are also made of fused cells.

    But despite its importance, nobody knows how cell fusion evolved. That is partly because the proteins responsible are hard to spot. Only two types of cell fusion protein have been identified so far. The first was syncytin, found in 2000, which is essential for the formation of the human placenta. The gene for syncytin came from a virus (Nature, doi.org/c53gpz).
    Then in 2002, a second protein called EFF-1 was found. It helps form the skin of the roundworm Caenorhabditis elegans, which biologists often study because it is so simple (Developmental Cell, doi.org/cd7mcf). By 2007 it was clear that EFF-1 was one of a family of similar proteins, called FF proteins, after a similar protein called AFF-1 was also found.
    Now Felix Rey of the Pasteur Institute in Paris, France, has found that the FF family of cell fusion proteins also comes from viruses.

    Rey's team figured out the 3D structure of the EFF-1 protein using crystallography and X-ray diffraction – the same kinds of techniques that were used to determine the structure of DNA in the 1950s. The structure of EFF-1 resembles that of a protein made by viruses, and the active part – which does the work of linking one cell to another – is virtually identical. Viruses use the protein to rip open the membrane of a cell, which they can then infect. In the worms, both cells must have the protein before they can fuse, but the protein still works in a similar way. He presented his results at the Lorne Conference on Protein Structure and Function in Australia last month, and they have been accepted by the journal Cell.

    Since EFF-1 is so similar to the viral protein, the gene for it almost certainly came from a virus that infected one of the worm's ancestors, says Rey. That is not unprecedented: the human genome is littered with DNA that slipped in when viruses infected a cell of an ancestor. But few of these bits of code are known to have important functions.
    While EFF-1 has only been studied in C. elegans, Rey says many other organisms may use the same protein. Since syncytin is also viral, all the cell fusion proteins found so far are from viruses. Does that mean early animals picked up all these proteins through viral infections?
    "That's the gut feeling we have," says Fasseli Coulibaly from Monash University in Melbourne, Australia. "It's the most enticing hypothesis but as scientists we need to look into it. If this is true, that's a huge advance."

    It is plausible that all cell fusion stems from viral genes slipping into our genome, says Elizabeth Chen of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. "But the jury is still out." Right now her team is trying to find the protein responsible for cell fusion in muscle tissue. It is too early to tell if it came from a virus.

    The findings so far suggest a pattern, says Rey. If cell fusion proteins came from several sources, you wouldn't expect the first two found to be from viruses.
    If viruses really did gift us cell fusion, then they are responsible for complex multicellular life, says Coulibaly. Cells could have clumped together into clusters on their own, but without the ability to fuse they could not have evolved into anything advanced like sponges, let alone humans.

    "Before cells can make something like skin or a digestive tract in nematodes – or as soon as you are thinking muscles or bones in mammals – usually you need some kind of fusion," says Coulibaly. "If it's proved, it could be a Nobel prize."
    Rey goes even further. He speculates that viruses may be responsible for the very existence of multicellular organisms. Viruses come and go between different cells, exchanging genetic information between them. "This makes me think that viruses have contributed enormously to the communication between cells, and to the appearance of multicellular organisms on Earth," Rey says.

    Correction: The quotation from Fasseli Coulibaly beginning "Before cells can make something like skin or a digestive tract…" was edited on 11 April to clarify the different kinds of animal involved.

    Origin of organs: Thank viruses for your skin and bone - life - 27 February 2014 - New Scientist

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaimeme View Post
    Graham Hancock should be everyone's admirable hero....
    I like Hancock, but he's my second favourite pseudo scientist after Erich Von Daniken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    that is a dispersion theory not a creation theory.
    An interesting link on that subject :
    Swedish space rock may be piece of early life puzzle - space - 30 June 2014 - New Scientist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    ..and I thought we were all in agreement that the substances that kick started life as we know it came in on asteroids?
    Sorry to spoil this for you Neal but there is no paleontological evidence that the Clangers ever actually existed.
    Explain Wombles then!

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