Thread: 2014 Post-Coup Poll: Do you see any difference in dayto day life in your area.

A poll for the Thai expats to give onlookers an inside opinion on things. Left it so people can see who voted for what. No voting if you don't live here. Would be helpful that if you do vote, also post your city/province (in a post).

Let's try and get a nation wide picture.

Cheers

I'm in Bangers, and I voted for minimal positive effect. Minimal because not too much has changed - positive, as there are no longer 10's of 100's of protesters camped out all over the city anymore and things seem a bit more positive after almost a year of stagnation.

I voted no effect seeing as it's business as usual on all fronts in Pattaya. Tourist numbers are down which bar owners are blaming on the coup, but it's always quiet at this time of year anyway and they're not happy unless they're moaning about something.....

voted' there's been a coup? i live in prachin where there's quite a few army bases, so i see military all the time. no more, no less, as you were! only see the occasional tourists on there way to khao yai.

Chumphon.

I have seen very few effects at all.
I don't know if the curfew is/was observed as i'm usually in bed before 10 o'clock anyway.

One positive effect is that schools and other government buildings and offices are functioning as normal - before the coup both were being closed with frequent regularity.

i have seen little or no effect, either in bangkok or in hua hin.

complaints from falangs have been from bangkok business owners, a pub/restaurant owner told me takings were down the first few days of the curfew but after that people just came out earlier, and a high end hotel manager complained that occupancy rates have tumbled, but they have been very low since november when it all started.

nearly all thais that i have spoken to, except a couple of bangkok taxi drivers, are pleased the army stepped in when they did, saying that no government has ever been for the people and that at least the army can enforce discipline on thais.

i have not seen one soldier on the streets.

people generally seem glad that the stupidity of the past few months, along with the rising levels of violence and civil disobedience has ended.

thais are as yet incapable of acting democratically, it has been proven time and time again over the past 70 years. thais do what they want when they want. at home, on the streets, in restaurants, in cars and in all aspects of their life. they are unruly and have little respect for regulations or ethics and can not be told what to do.

democracy means sometimes accepting defeat and bending to the will of the majority.

thats not the thai way. be they red or yellow.

thais, like children respond better to the carrot and the stick. the sweeter the carrot and the bigger the stick the more chance of success.

the general knows this.

did you know his daughter sings in a rock band and his wife teaches english literature at a bangkok university.

all hail the dear leader.

comparing the situation in thailand to the situation in north korea shows conclusively that you have the mind of an idiot.

Originally Posted by soundwaves

Everything works in North Korea, too and no one complains. I wonder if they shut this website down if the Coup supporters would still support the Coup. No doubt they would. Good thing teakdoor deletes so many posts. Had it not deleted those posts teakdoor would not exist in Thailand.

Do you know many Thais that have died of hunger, or were shot because they knew someone who knew someone who was shot?

When you make comparisons to argue a position, it help if both sides are at least within proximity of the same screen. Sometimes these things are noticed, even on TD.

I live ground zero Silom Road and have witnessed the protests from the get go especially the occupation of Lumpini Park 2 times.

I have photos from last year when the Yellows first kicked off their street marches.

Personally I gained from the protests, the blockading of the main intersections was brilliant, being able to walk on the roads and enjoy the carnival atmosphere was very enjoyable.

Even in Lumpini park I enjoyed it as I like the gathering of the people coupled with the music and events. No problem for the Expat at all never has been.

down on Silom life continues as normal with the Coup really seeming to be getting some good results.

You never know, this time round things might actually turn out different, so far there has been very little violence compared to past coups so there's progress right there.

The crack down on the taxi mafia scum in Phuket is brilliant plus the farmers have been paid.

Keep up the good work.

The poster up top who is bollocking regards North Korea can only be viewed as an uninformed tool.

At the mouth of Soi Gaew Inn ( Outer ring road in Bangyai ) there is now a sandbagged army checkpoint manned by a few police and soldiers with a single Humvee and machine gun . A single soldier sometimes stands on the footbridge crossing the main road. This is the only visable change.

Talking to business in Bangyai , some say they have been affected by the curfew, others not.

The army want everything to appear as normal....obviously. If you just go about your business without a ' I love Yingluk ' teeshirt then why would you notice any changes. The people who are experiencing a big difference are the people who believe the military have no right to take power and tell other people what to do. Those people who are out protesting the coup are the ones who are going to notice the change in government. Before, you could protest ...now you can't.

Interestingly, when the military were pretending to be neutral in the street protests of their own backing , they maintained people had the right to protest against the government and as they , the army , were ' neutral ' , they would protect that right.

However, now they are in the driving seat again, the right they said they would defend has been trampled underfoot and the constitution they themselves drafted , torn up.

The police have been ordered to be more efficient and concentrate on arresting those who attacked the PDRC ( murdered red shirts not so important ) , who defy the coup makes and to be more vigourous in tracking down LM offenders.

Such are the priorities of the ' neutral and patriotic ' army.

The only thing that amuses me in all this is how the army are frustrated at ' not feeling the love '. They just can't get their head arround the fact that the international community have condemned them and that they have had to take the most draconian measures to silence opposition within the country instead of being showered with love and kisses and unctuous praise from the whole country, not just the south.

I know there are many foreigners here for whom the greatest importance is attatched to the price of beer and the ready supply of cheap women. For those people, I'm sure , the coup is no big deal.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

The people who are experiencing a big difference are the people who believe the military have no right to take power and tell other people what to do.

Well I certainly don't see that in the strongest red shirt provinces in the country. These people are not experiencing anything other than the daily mundane routine. THese are the people who should care, who have a reason to care. So why don't they? (and yes the Thai people I speak to and observe are just as valid and anyone else). Don't forget that 3/4 of the country lives outside of BKK and in places the hysterical falang brigade dont even see. The army might be making a show in the capital but in the majority of the country you don't even see them.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

They just can't get their head arround the fact that the international community have condemned them

The US, who else? Australia I think. What about China, Russia, India> What do they have to say?

Originally Posted by Bangyai

I know there are many foreigners here for whom the greatest importance is attached to the price of beer and the ready supply of cheap women. For those people, I'm sure the coup is no big deal.

Nor should it be as they are only tourists doing what they always do.

I remember seeing farangs dressed up in their Yellow garb joining the protests and even seen a young stinky backpacker with his scank short time getting into it.

Deportation the only way for this lot.

As far as the Expats go, very little changes in their life regards the coup.

The ones who seem to cry the loudest are the ones banged up in the middle of Red shirt territory up country.

Some radical personal views coming from this lot.

It seems to affect them more as they are living in staunch Red shirt house holds and surrounded by it.

Friggin glad I'm free from that shit.

Why bother ? They came here to retire.

i abstained as i am in the deep south and the bombings increased at

very nearly the same time as the coup.

Originally Posted by 9999

The biggest affect on me from all this is having to read the spew of falangs looking for a cause. The same type that show up at lefty protests before they find out what they're protesting about. It's clogging up the TD feed, and if I want to read news I got to sift through the repetitive extremist opinions.

Exactly what I wanted to say mate, you've nailed it EH.

Its the stupid Farangs jumping up on their soap box spouting all this shit and espousing their great knowledge regards the Political scene in Thailand.

Now we have this new nut case comparing Thailand with North Korea.

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by Bangyai

They just can't get their head arround the fact that the international community have condemned them

The US, who else? Australia I think. What about China, Russia, India> What do they have to say?

Agree again, The world revolves around Australia and the US does it.

Friggin Australia has that complete ponce Abbott as prime minister.

Be a very good idea if they just close the place down for a while I reckon and say sweet fuk all to anybody.

Originally Posted by terry57

The ones who seem to cry the loudest are the ones banged up in the middle of Red shirt territory up country.

I'm banged up right smack bang middle of red heart land. On of my employees' mother who has a drink stand across the road is a local red spokeswoman, so is the barber next to her, right across the road from our office. We also have a yellow in the office from a strong military family. The atmosphere in the office is all fun and piss-taking. All the reds I'm surrounded by are pretty calm. They dont seem to mind the military would have been different if Suthep got in.

Funnily enough the most vocal loonie is banged up in Sth Korea, tefling of all things. Who'd have thought TEFLers wou;d make generic cause lefty extremists We got a few seppos in the mix too.

Funny that I'm surrounded by reds, speak and mix with them on a daily basis, and have not heard anything remotely as extreme as the TD loons. No doubt they will claim the people are oppressed and scared to speak their mind, but I assure you this is not the case. Apart from a bit of anxiety over the curfew clashing with the World Cup, these people seriously dont give fuck.

Originally Posted by 9999

They dont seem to mind the military would have been different if Suthep got in.

That's a very good point.

Nakonratchasima, Korat, abt 15 Kil. outside of town. Coup has had no effect that
I can tell. We stay home most nights and go to bed early as most of the farmers do here.

Originally Posted by 9999

Funny that I'm surrounded by reds, speak and mix with them on a daily basis, and have not heard anything remotely as extreme as the TD loons.

No doubt they will claim the people are oppressed and scared to speak their mind, but I assure you this is not the case. Apart from a bit of anxiety over the curfew clashing with the World Cup, these people seriously dont give fuck.

Good to hear a balanced and informed view from someone who is in the mix of it.

All the posts by Betty, Jacky Boy and a few others always seemed well over the top.

No middle ground or Balance what so ever.

Its like the payment of the farmers and the Phuket crack down.

The radical loons throw up that there must be an ulterior motive to it and do not acknowledge the step forward.

This lot always looks at a glass half empty.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by Bangyai

They just can't get their head arround the fact that the international community have condemned them

The US, who else? Australia I think. What about China, Russia, India> What do they have to say?

Agree again, The world revolves around Australia and the US does it.

Friggin Australia has that complete ponce Abbott as prime minister.

Be a very good idea if they just close the place down for a while I reckon and say sweet fuk all to anybody.

The international response so far :

International reactions[edit]

Government sector[edit]



Supranational

• EU – The European External Action Service called for the military to accept and respect the constitutional authority of the civilian power and stressed "the importance of holding credible and inclusive elections as soon as feasible".[135]
• UN –
  • Ban Ki-moon, Secretary-General of the United Nations, issued a statement through his spokesman, expressing concern over the coup, calling for "a prompt return to constitutional, civilian, democratic rule" and movement towards cooperation between the parties.[136]
  • Navi Pillay, United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, condemned the coup. She said her office has monitored the situations for the past five months and she is "deeply concerned about the forcible replacement of an elected government, the imposition of martial law, the suspension of the constitution and the emergency measures that are restricting the enjoyment of human rights". She also urged prompt restoration of rule of law in the country.[137]

States

• Australia - Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop expressed that she was "gravely concerned" over the military coup and described the situation as "volatile". She also urged Australian travellers to exercise caution and pay close attention to their security, there are an estimated 5000+ Australians currently in Thailand.[138]
• Cambodia – Cambodian government officials expressed concerns that tensions could rise at the Cambodia–Thailand border, where a dispute has been ongoing since 2008. Council of Ministers spokesman Phay Siphan said "We wish to see this [coup] not jeopardizing democratic transition, maintaining peace and stability, and still respecting [and safeguarding] the will and interest of the Thai people" while adding that nothing is expected to change at the Cambodia–Thailand border. Siphan also said that the government would always respect the mutual interests of the two countries.[139]
• Canada – Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird condemned the coup and said "This decision violates Thailand's democratic principles and stands in stark contrast to the Army's earlier assurances that its role would be limited to securing public order. We hope and expect the Thai military will return Thailand to civilian rule as soon as possible, respect democratic processes and the rule of law, ensure freedom of expression and assembly, and guarantee due process for those who have been detained."[140]
• Chile – The Foreign Affairs Ministry issued a statement condemning the coup and saying that they "trust that the political crisis affecting the partner and friendly nation and its people, can be quickly and peacefully resolved through means that will allow the recovery of democratic coexistence".[141]
• China – Foreign Ministry issued a brief statement expressing its concern over the situation and hoped for the order to be restored in Thailand.[142]
• Colombia – The Foreign Affairs Ministry, through a press release, reiterated its concern about the current situation in the "allied nation" of Thailand and condemned the "break of the institutional order that was caused by the coup". Colombia called for dialogue, between the public armed forces and the Kingdom of Thailand, in order to reestablish a participative Democracy while also "advocating for the constitutional rights of all Thai citizens."[143]
• France – President François Hollande condemned the coup and called for "an immediate return to the constitutional order and for a vote to be organised".[144]
• Germany – German Minister for Foreign AffairsFrank-Walter Steinmeier issued a statement condemning the coup, calling for the rapid holding of elections and restoration of constitutional protections.[145]
• Japan – Fumio Kishida, the Japanese Minister of Foreign Affairs, issued a statement calling for the rapid restoration of democracy in Thailand.[146]
• Malaysia – The Ministry of Foreign Affairs advised Malaysian citizens to avoid travelling to Thailand for the time being and postpone any non-essential visits to the country. Malaysian citizens present in Thailand are also advised to abide by the curfew for personal safety and security reasons.[147] Meanwhile, former Prime Minister Mahathir Mohammad had commented that the coup in Thailand will not affect Malaysia politically or economically, saying that since independence in 1957 Malaysians have been law-abiding citizens.[148]
• Philippines – Department of Foreign Affairs spokesman Charles Jose said "the Philippines supports a peaceful resolution of the present situation" and "hopes for an early return to normalcy consistent with democratic principles, the rule of law and the will and interest of the Thai people."[149]
• Russia – The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs called for a prompt return of the political process and constitutional protections.[150]
• South Africa – The South African government, through its spokesman Clayson Monyela, condemned the coup and called on "all relevant parties to work speedily and through an inclusive process towards the restoration of constitutional order".[151]
• Singapore – A spokesperson for the Singaporean Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed "grave concern" over the coup.[152]
• Turkey – The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey stated that, "We regret the decision of the Thai armed forces to suspend the constitution and take control of the government. Turkey, as a matter of principle, is opposed to the dismissal of governments that have come to power by popular vote, by non-democratic methods.[153]
• UK – Foreign SecretaryWilliam Hague issued a statement urging "the restoration of a civilian government that has been democratically elected, serves the interests of its people and fulfils its human rights obligations".[154] The Foreign Office announced that it would review military ties with Thailand and cancelled a number of military visits.[155]
• USA – Secretary of State John Kerry issued a statement condemning the coup, saying that he is "disappointed" by the army's decision and "this act will have negative implications for the U.S.–Thai relationship, especially for our relationship with the Thai military."[156] A joint military drill was cancelled and military aid suspended.[157]

Non government organisations

Non-government sector[edit]

• A group of Thai studies scholars from twenty universities in Australia, Canada, Denmark, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, the United Kingdom and the United States jointly published an open letter in which they said, "You [General Prayuth] requested that citizens 'carry out their lives and occupation as usual', but nothing could be normal about the political and social conditions put in place by the coup. The coup cannot be a measure for peace because the coup itself is the use of violence." They called on the NCPO to return immediately to constitutional rule by a civilian government and to provide a concrete timeline for such return.[158]
• Amnesty International (AI) issued a statement saying that arresting peaceful anti-coup activists is a "dangerous precedent" and "maintaining public order cannot be an excuse for violating human rights." It also urged the NCPO to clarify the whereabouts of those arrested and detained.[159] AI later denounced the military action against leading anti-coup activist Sombat Boonngamanong, describing it as part of "a systematic and widening crackdown on key human rights". Its Asian director Richard Bennett said "This is the latest in a disturbing wave of arrests of people purely voicing disquiet about the military regime. The army's course of action is looking increasingly like a purge."[56]
• The Asian Human Rights Commission condemned the NCPO for threatening academics and activists, called for the immediate release of the detainees, and expressed grave concern over the rapid decline of human rights protections in the country.[160]
• Human Rights Watch described the NCPO's actions as the exercise of "draconian martial law powers" and called for the immediate end thereof. Its Asian director Brad Adams said, "The Thai army needs to recognize that the government should be determined by the ballot, not the bullet."[161]
• Stars of the Hunger Games showed their support for anti-coup protesters who have been using the films' three-fingered salute as a way of showing opposition. One of the cast members, Natalie Dormer, described the use of the salute as "incredible" and said "Anything that galvanises people in a positive way to fight against oppression cannot be criticised in any shape or form."[122]

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No comments yet from these important countries :

St Kitts and Nevis
Burkina Farso
Lichenstein
San Marino
Tuvalu
Nauru
Malta
Andorra

and quite a few other big ones

^

What ever,

All those countries need to clean up their own back yard before getting involved in Thai internal affairs.

looks like "soundwaves", our north korea expert, has been silenced and summarily erased from teak doors collective consciousness.

the teak door generals are ever vigilant too.

^

Obviously a Multinik, good idea to just Flush them away.

Just posting up obvious rubbish anyway. Another Political nut case.

9999 also had some difficulty understand my comment :

The people who are experiencing a big difference are the people who believe the military have no right to take power and tell other people what to do. Those people who are out protesting the coup are the ones who are going to notice the change in government. Before, you could protest ...now you can't.

These are the people I was refering to :







In fact ..............just watching the news on Television , there are reports of anti coup protests at 5 locations in Bangkok today. Numbers unspecified but will obviously be small.