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  1. #26
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    are you claiming the TD owner would hand over members IP info for criticism of the coup?

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    well he could get arrested for letting his forum be used for such i certainly would wouldn't you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    well he could get arrested for letting his forum be used for such i certainly would wouldn't you.
    The domain hosting is in the US. The owner of TD is shielded from public view.
    A US company would be very unlikely to provide information to a police state requesting it on the basis of posts critical to the regime. They might do if the crime was kiddie pics or something, but even then, jurisdiction of the crime is in the US.
    TD is a website about Thailand, it is not IN Thailand.
    Thai cops, no jurisdiction.

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    I've seen it before that people were intimitated to speak their minds, or chose not to speak up to not risk their pleasantries, that's not new. The personality cult and harsh penalties for violations is, as are quality and quantity of state and private censorship.
    Boon Mee: 'Israel is the 51st State. De facto - but none the less, essentially part & parcel of the USA.'

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    Thankfully this is not TV as long as people do not go too far into the obvious topic I don't see a problem

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    Necron if they really wanted to find a member(owner) i'm sure they could other than that wouldn't they just block the site and possibly the server providers other sites.

    the techies can find some of the best hackers around can surely find info about a forum.

    Anyone who thinks there safe on the net is mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    another newbie....
    Probably just abby, blowing it out his ass again

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    They don't have to deal with TD. They could monitor traffic of certain buildings or locations in Thailand, couldn't they?

    There's was a time back when the last junta required ISPs to keep 90 days of records of Internet usage, wasn't there? Is that still in effect?


    Quick search came up with this...

    INTERNET LAW Online Censorship Thailand | IBLS

    Thailand has a long history of government- authorized censorship. The 2007 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand and the 1997 Constitution guarantee freedom of speech with the proviso that censorship may be imposed in certain circumstances. Additionally, Thailand's Computer-Related Crimes Act, which was introduced by the military junta, imposes some limitations by penalizing a range of computer-related speeches.

    The 2007 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand guarantees freedom of speech but a law may impose censorship "for the purpose of maintaining the security of the State, protecting the rights, liberties, dignity, reputation, family or privacy rights of other persons, maintaining public order or good morals or preventing or halting the deterioration of the mind or health of the public.”

    Thailand has a long history of government- authorized censorship. The 2007 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand and the 1997 Constitution guarantee freedom of speech with the proviso that censorship may be imposed in certain circumstances. Additionally, Thailand's Computer-Related Crimes Act, which was introduced by the military junta, imposes some limitations by penalizing a range of computer-related speeches.

    The 2007 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand guarantees freedom of speech but a law may impose censorship "for the purpose of maintaining the security of the State, protecting the rights, liberties, dignity, reputation, family or privacy rights of other persons, maintaining public order or good morals or preventing or halting the deterioration of the mind or health of the public."

    One of the first orders passed by the military junta that took power in Thailand on September 19, 2006, was to appoint an Official Censor of the Military Coup. The military junta took its cue from the overthrown elected government, which had publicly stated that it intended to block 800,000 Websites from Internet users in Thailand. Between the ascension of the military junta and Thailand"s general election in December 2007, the Official Censor blocked 17,793. In addition, the Royal Thai Police claimed having blocked a further 32,500 Websites.

    The Computer-Related Crimes Act (CRCA) imposes a penalty of twenty years' imprisonment for certain computer crimes. The CRCA requires all State and private organizations to install log management systems that store and monitor computer data for the purpose of preventing Internet crime. Failure to comply with the Act's monitoring provisions carries a fine of up to 500,000 baht (approximately US $14,500). The law allowed for a 30-day to 1-year grace period, which expired on August 23, 2008.

    What are some of the international reactions to Thailand's extensive censorship practices?
    On May 20, 2008, the international organization Reporters Without Borders expressed alarm at certain comments made by the Thai Minister of Information and Communication Technology on May14, 2008, in which he declared that prosecuting Websites because of their content would cause a "big scandal" and that it was better to just "suppress the news" by closing them down or blocking access. The Reporters Without Borders organization declared that by "voicing a preference for radical censorship measures, the minister is in complete contradiction with the Computer Crime Act."


    The Minister was interviewed on the radio on May 14, 2008. When asked why the Websites were blocked, the Minister replied: "They have content about the monarchy. Thai people cannot bear this, and no one can. "

    How have local Internet Service Providers (ISPs) attempted to achieve compliance with the CRCA?

    The CRCA stipulates that a court order must be obtained before a Website can be blocked. Notwithstanding, passage of the Act has given rise to a wave of self-censorship in which Thailand's ISPs have sought to independently block certain Websites to avoid facing criminal charges under the law for transmitting illegal content. In addition, ISPs are required to keep all Internet traffic logs for 90 days. As a result of this provision, several bloggers who posted comments that were adverse to Thailand's monarchy were arrested under the CRCA based on the tracking of their IP addresses by Thai ISPs.


    How has the CRCA been used to suppress political dissension in Thailand?
    Thai authorities have tended to operate somewhat heavy-handedly in their blocking of Websites that are critical of Thailand's monarchy. For example, Thailand's official censor blocked the Website YouTube for seven months in 2007 based on certain anti-monarchy videos posted to the site, and the Ministry of Information and Communication Technology blocked not only YouTube's domain, but also seventy-five separate YouTube URLs before YouTube's management agreed to block any video clips deemed offensive to the Thai people or those that violate Thai law.


    Is there a local public resistance to the widespread censorship?
    An interest group called Freedom Against Censorship Thailand (FACT) is pressuring Thailand's Parliament to address certain issues related to Thailand's censorship rules, including amending the 2007 Constitution and repealing the CRCA.


    Conclusion:
    Thailand's government has engaged in a variety of censorship measures that are aimed primarily at suppressing political dissension. The two most important laws governing Internet censorship are the provisions of the 2007 Constitution that allow the government to impose censorship, and the Computer-Related Crimes Act, which was introduced by a military dictatorship, but is still enforced by the democratically elected Thai government.

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    Midnight university contested there ban and won, after the 2006 coup

    i see they have been blocked again

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    FB and google are being pressured by Thai military right now. Money is more important than freedom these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    another newbie....
    another prejudice....

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    I have been attempting to read some of the posts above; some of them seem like utter garbage but, on further inspection, all that they need are a few commas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    well he could get arrested for letting his forum be used for such i certainly would wouldn't you.
    Quote Originally Posted by xanax
    Thankfully this is not TV as long as people do not go too far into the obvious topic I don't see a problem
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    Necron if they really wanted to find a member(owner) i'm sure they could other than that wouldn't they just block the site and possibly the server providers other sites.
    Does TD charge extra for inserting punctuation?

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    Yaso I am sure you realise your avatar is very offensive (and probably illegal) to the norms of Thai mortality, are you going to change it in case 'they' trace you?

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    How about something like this Yaso...


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    What are the "norms of Thai mortality"?

    That you come back again?

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    Mortality ? Yes, that as well ! God help you if you offend their morals as well.

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    Thai morality is very strict but the frequenters of bars and whores might not be aware of it. Only yesterday the mrs was horrified at Thai teens holding hands in a food court. I bought Rose Buntreurn Album yesterday and was amused to see her 'cleavage' pixalated out on one track even though there was almost none as she is almost flat chested, and she had a dress on of course. I have seen films where Thai censors have blurred out the tits on Rubens paintings.

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    Your wife must be getting up there in age or really shelter Xanax. I work in the BKK area and cleavage isn't as big of a deal these days. I mean people notice it but don't react like they used to. To be honest, I'm the one who is shocked by it most of the time. My wife just doesn't give a crap about that. The old Khunying's are the ones who get all hot and bothered. I work with BKK hisos but most are modern and have little problem with things like this. I hope the Military enforces a dress code. That'll get to everyone under 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MineKampf
    Junta jailing forum members
    Nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanax
    I have seen films where Thai censors have blurred out the tits on Rubens paintings.
    quite right, they are massive

    Quote Originally Posted by MineFalls
    I work in the BKK area and cleavage isn't as big of a deal these days.
    It never really was on Thai women; I blame the push-up bras which seem to make even small breasted women have a cleavage

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    No you just get redded for being a knob

    Quote Originally Posted by Drainpipe View Post
    I have been attempting to read some of the posts above; some of them seem like utter garbage but, on further inspection, all that they need are a few commas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    well he could get arrested for letting his forum be used for such i certainly would wouldn't you.
    Quote Originally Posted by xanax
    Thankfully this is not TV as long as people do not go too far into the obvious topic I don't see a problem
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    Necron if they really wanted to find a member(owner) i'm sure they could other than that wouldn't they just block the site and possibly the server providers other sites.
    Does TD charge extra for inserting punctuation?

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    The server is in the US, and there is no nudity in my avatar, just a nice buxom ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by xanax View Post
    Yaso I am sure you realise your avatar is very offensive (and probably illegal) to the norms of Thai mortality, are you going to change it in case 'they' trace you?

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    hmm yingluck in bikini maybe.

    Quote Originally Posted by MineFalls View Post
    How about something like this Yaso...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    No you just get redded for being a knob
    Gosh, are you always so powerful?

    Are you an alpha male?

    Can you spit out commas from between your missing teeth?

    (and it should read "got" not get)

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    another newbie....
    Probably just abby, blowing it out his ass again
    Could well be.

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