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    One does wonder... I suspect it'll continue for a long time yet. Making sure teh American masses are stupid is a focal part of the leading ideology and social practise, so I don't see it changing any time soon. The UK seems to be following that lead pretty closely too...
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    I might laugh at the OP if I could read the text, can you post it again a bit bigger?

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    All it takes to keep the mob under control is a McDonalds on every corner, a big screen TV, and never-ending sports on cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    All it takes to keep the mob under control is a McDonalds on every corner, a big screen TV, and never-ending sports on cable.
    Or a rusty old Ford truck, a shot gun and a place to hunt squirrels. Almost forgot to mention the beat up old trailer to live in with a TV that gets FOX News.

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    The OP is spot on and it is a very sad reality. The rich rule in America and the sheep follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    a TV that gets FOX News.
    A key component for sure.

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    If you think education is expensive, why not try the alternative? Ignornce costs far more.

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    "WTF is wrong with people?" might be a better question to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999 View Post
    I might laugh at the OP if I could read the text, can you post it again a bit bigger?
    Click the link

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper
    a TV that gets FOX News.
    A key component for sure.
    Any self respecting, shot gun toting right winger on disability can afford a TV and basic cable to watch Fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9999 View Post
    I might laugh at the OP if I could read the text, can you post it again a bit bigger?
    Click the link.
    It's not an attack by me. I have worked with lots of Americans and find them to be and overall tolerant/intelligent people. I wonder why such a progressive society is rooted in industrial prison complexes and massive medical insurance policies.
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    Certainly some points there but comparing northern Europe's success is a bit like comparing Singapore's success to Thailand's. I'll be the first to argue for change but when you a country like Sweden whose population is under 10 million people, you can't seriously compare that to the US. We can learn from northern Europe just the same and America should strive for better. America should close and control the borders first and stop using labor as a resource at the expense of US citizens. The US shouldn't have bases in Europe. Let Europe be responsible for itself for once. The US should look inward at its own people. Yes, all people aren't equal. America does not belong to some unspecific group called 'the free', it belongs to its citizens. Its people need to fight back against those who have ruined the nation and send the fuckups of the rest of the world back to the nations they created. And it should stop letting dictators and their families and cronies and royalty live on its shores. It's total hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrimack View Post
    Its people need to fight back against those who have ruined the nation and send the fuckups of the rest of the world back to the nations they created.
    America was built on "fuckups of the rest of the world". How many generations back do you want to go?

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    I know the history. It's fucked up now and needs change.

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    I lived and worked in Norway for two years. A truly sterile country. Massive taxes, life completely controlled by government. Overtime bans in work so everyone can have a job. 90 Euros for a bottle of vodka. Bars open at six in the evening. I'd prefer to live in a less controlled society. Ireland is polar opposite. Massive taxes. No return. Toll roads, expensive housing. Pay for your medical twice. Social security and pay at the doctors pharmacy again.
    Asia has it's warts and problems but...........

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    greed, cultural arrogance, global isolation, gunz, jesus, in-bred acquisitiveness

    which is used to justify suking up more resources than anyone should. merca is

    a fukin mess. chinese are in the rear-view mirror holding debt as merca goes the way

    of the uk.

    som nom na, imo.

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    Some people got together and declared class warfare in the once egalitarian US.
    Thirty years later, at least half the population still hasn't realised it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    in the once egalitarian US.
    When was that?

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    The French once had the most social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities amongst their people. The Americans tried to ape them but their slave philosophy has and will never leave their cultural psyche.

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    ^Lost me on "slave philosophy"....HUH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    in the once egalitarian US.
    When was that?
    That's what they donlt understand.
    The US was built by Robber Barons and corrupt politicians and since day one, nothing has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^Lost me on "slave philosophy"....HUH?
    I was referring to slavery in US history.
    The slave culture has morphed and changed now. It's not about colour or creed anymore. It's about having indentured poverty stricken people on minimum wage or incarcerated in jails working for free. Cheek out that slave driver Sheriff Joe Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He's nothing more than a modern slave driver.

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    Woman given life sentence for cannabis possession.

    THIS will be a bad week for Elaine Prince-Patron. On Thursday, her twin grandchildren celebrate their third birthday, an event she would love to attend. But she has never visited them, nor will she be free to do so until they are in their mid-twenties.
    Nearly two years ago Mrs Prince-Patron, from Watford, Hertfordshire, was dispatched to a maximum security jail in the United States. Her crime did not involve murder or terrorism. She was not caught with a gun, or a bomb. In fact, she did not commit violence of any kind.

    Yet she was sentenced to spend 25 years behind bars and razor wire. The earliest she will be eligible for parole is 2017, when she will be 79. She does not think she will live that long.

    The offence which attracted this, the harshest penalty in America short of capital punishment, was far from uncommon, although few would seek to justify it. Drugs squad detectives found 80lbs of marijuana at her home in Tucson, Arizona, along with wrappers and traces on her clothing. She was found guilty of possessing the drug with intent to sell.

    Worse, it was her second conviction, and came only weeks after she had been placed on four years' probation. Several months earlier she was caught at Tucson airport preparing to board a flight to New York with 18lbs of marijuana stuffed inside a suitcase.

    But the extreme severity of her sentence has astonished lawyers. She has no other criminal record, beyond one petty offence (forging a pounds 20 cheque more than 30 years ago). David Bjorgaard, her lawyer, said: 'There is only one other single crime under Arizona law that could attract a sentence like this - and that's first degree murder.'

    Mr Bjorgaard, who works for a top Tucson law firm, was so appalled by Mrs Prince-Patron's case that he recently agreed to represent her without charge. 'It is absolutely outrageous that she was sentenced to that amount of time. Any right-thinking person can see that,' he said.

    His point is reinforced by sentencing patterns in the US. According to the US Sentencing Commission, drugs traffickers with a comparable criminal history to Elaine Prince-Patron's, but who are convicted in a federal rather than a state court, spend an average of five years in jail.

    Sex offenders in the same category are locked away for just over seven years. And in the state system, first-time murderers are regularly released after less than eight years, while rapists are often freed before they have served four.

    Elaine Prince-Patron was tried in Arizona, in a state court. She was therefore subject to the draconian laws passed by Arizona's legislature in an effort to abate drug-running into the US across its southern border with Mexico. Until recently, life without parole for 25 years was mandatory for anyone caught with dealing quantities of narcotics while on probation for a serious drugs offence.

    She also had a chance to avoid life imprisonment. Before her trial, prosecutors offered Mrs Prince-Patron a plea bargain under which she would have received 5 to 15 years if she admitted guilt. She refused.

    For, according to her, the marijuana did not belong to her but to her son, Tony. Why else, she argues, would she have let the police into her house? The authorities admit they had no search warrant.

    Tony Prince, 31, a son by her first marriage to a Watford businessman, was arrested in a Tucson hotel with 60lbs of marijuana the day after his mother's home was raided. He pleaded guilty in a federal court and was jailed for 18 months. On his release, he was deported back to Britain.

    According to Mr Bjorgaard, he has since signed a draft affidavit admitting the marijuana for which his mother was jailed for life belonged to him. (Mrs Prince-Patron also claims her son was linked with her first offence: she says she agreed to carry marijuana to New York only because he had a broken leg and was facing threats to his life from a drugs dealer.)

    Whether her story is true or not - and she did not convince the jury - it helps her friends and family make sense of what has occurred. To them, she does not much resemble a dangerous criminal who deserves to be locked away for a quarter of a century.

    Elaine Prince-Patron arrived in Arizona about 18 years ago and spent nearly a dozen years working as a waitress before becoming a self-employed seamstress. Anne Cardarella, a Briton who manages a mobile home park in Arizona, said: 'I used to go to her house two or three times a week, and I can tell you that she has a heart of gold.'

    Mrs Prince-Patron now spends her days in Perryville prison, outside Phoenix, microfilming US government documents for 70 cents an hour, reading in her cramped double cell (which she shares with a murderer), or attending classes. She has already qualified in computer sciences.

    Every fortnight her second husband, Robert Patron, a school cleaner, makes the four-hour round trip to the prison to visit her. He remains in a daze of disbelief. 'No one believes me when I tell them what happened. None of it makes any sense. People complain prisons are overcrowded, yet they threw people like Elaine in jail for life.'

    Mrs Prince-Patron's spirits are flagging. She has had several visits from Foreign Office officials, but says the British authorities have done little to help.



    'I'll be 79 when I first make it to the parole board, which is totally ridiculous,' she said, speaking by telephone from prison. 'I honestly don't believe that I'll live that long. Even then, it doesn't mean I'll make the board. My counsellor told me it could be 30 years. There is a time in your life when you give up hope. I have nearly reached that point.' There is, however, one ray of hope. Arizona has changed its laws since she was convicted. Had she been found guilty today, she is likely to have been jailed for seven years. A state 'parity review committee' is being set up to re- examine sentencing in previous cases. It will have the power to reduce her punishment, should it see fit.

    Her lawyer is also working on an appeal, but it is likely to be several months before she finds out if her case will ever be reconsidered.

    Meanwhile, she faces the prospect of missing many more of her grandchildren's birthdays for handling a soft drug which President Bill Clinton once smoked.

    Cruel and unusual punishment.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-1437937.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebbu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^Lost me on "slave philosophy"....HUH?
    I was referring to slavery in US history.
    The slave culture has morphed and changed now. It's not about colour or creed anymore. It's about having indentured poverty stricken people on minimum wage or incarcerated in jails working for free. Cheek out that slave driver Sheriff Joe Joe Arpaio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He's nothing more than a modern slave driver.
    You're shifting gears pretty quickly. The 13th Amendment outlawed slavery in the US 149 years ago; there are no slaves alive today, nor slave owners. So the "slave culture" has nothing to do with anything. Then, on to minimum wage workers being slaves. Drivel. Then on to prisoners being forced to work instead of sitting in their cells. So what? What is your point? Sorry. Almost missed your last, where a twice convicted drug smuggler gets sent to jail. So what? Is the point of this thread simply what you don't like about America? If so, I'll leave you to it. If you have a point to make, please do so.

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