Thread: Tortured To Death During Botched USA Execution

Originally Posted by taxexile

What do you think about putting children and adolescents into an adult prison as punishment?

what has that got to do with the death of a sadistic murderer by lethal injection.

Hey Tax I was'nt aware that they put Children in Prison with Adult Criminals in the USA ,and of course I hardly think any one in Government would even think of such lunacy ,so why some one else should bring this trip into fantasy land takes a bit of understanding

The death penalty is ineffective,

it seems to have worked pretty well in this case.

seeing as clayton lockett wont be raping, killing or forcing young women to orally sodomize him again.

Let's observe the impact of this debacle on future public policy in this regard. Solace obtained at great expense and with demonstrated errors is no solace at all and a horrible basis for policy making, imo.

Originally Posted by taxexile

What do you think about putting children and adolescents into an adult prison as punishment?

what has that got to do with the death of a sadistic murderer by lethal injection.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey Tax I was'nt aware that they put Children in Prison with Adult Criminals in the USA ,and of course I hardly think any one in Government would even think of such lunacy

They do in the USA. Relevance? That was in the report that you both "read".

Clayton Lockett was incarcerated in an adult prison at the age of 16 and raped by 3 men. It was not long after his release from his 7-year sentence that this crime was committed. He was a psychologically disturbed person, made worse by the punishment, rather than help, that he received. In short, it could be argued that the State created the "sadistic Monster" in the first place.

Children in Adult Prison | Equal Justice Initiative

Kids in solitary confinement: America's official child abuse | Jean Casella and James Ridgeway | Comment is free | theguardian.com

That's it, Tax that's it! , all the US has do do is stop incarcerating Adolescents in Adult Prisons ,but let them roam free whatever their crimes ,and they will get a steady job ,stay of highly addictive and mind bending drugs , and not Murder innocent people in their never ending quest to get their next "fix" Yep that,s it , just a pity the same is happening here in Thailand were untold Thousands of crimes of violence are committed by some young punks high on Yaa Baa who are is quite prepared to rob and kill to get the price of there next pill ,when the real answer is just say no to highly addictive drugs ,cos the choice is yours and only yours at the end of the day , Locket broke into the house with the horrible suffering that followed for one purpose and one purpose only, to search for drugs or to steal money to buy them .

A vicious cold blooded killer.

Interesting article for the left wing excuse makers Condemned murderer Clayton Lockett dies of heart attack after execution | Communities Digital News

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

I can not condone the acts these 2 men conducted, but.
In general,

What about the numbers of inocents .
A moral society need to rise above the vengeful.
As a deterant it does not work
The number of death row inmates who are racial minorities or economicaly poor.
The cost is staggering.

Hate the idea that I as a member of the state act in the same cold blooded way as the convicts. If they are scum of the earth for killing in cold blood, what does that make me?

A law abiding citizen with a high degree of common sense

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Interesting article for the left wing excuse makers

Pray tell, piwannoy, which excuses have been made, and for what?

Rainfall I would think its fair say that when the Word "Torture" comes up you should be the very last person on this forum to write about "human rights " cos here is an absolute raft of Information about your ex organisation the East German Stasi got up to https://www.google.com/#q=++Torture+...+German+Stasi+

I dont care if this bloke got banged by half the jail population, he got what he deserved.These blokes always use the the same old same old it was how i was treated when i was younger, bullshit get over it and dont f--k up

Originally Posted by bobo746

I dont care if this bloke got banged by half the jail population, he got what he deserved.These blokes always use the the same old same old it was how i was treated when i was younger, bullshit get over it and dont f--k up

Quite true Bobo ,the problem is these left wing excuse makers for evil always believe it and try and Impress us that we've got it all wrong ,that "society" is solely to blame and not the actions of the individual , What a total Crock of shit.

Originally Posted by neemo

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Interesting article for the left wing excuse makers

Pray tell, piwannoy, which excuses have been made, and for what?

A classic case of excuse making was in post 104 ,and who knows what goes on in a self confessed Marxist's mind ?

Aren't you confusing "excuse" with "explanation"?

Originally Posted by neemo

Aren't you confusing "excuse" with "explanation"?

No ,Cos all the explanation was ,was a left wing feeble excuse for the for this Scum bag low lifes behavior , the real explanation was they broke into the house and ransacked it looking for drugs

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Rainfall I would think its fair say that when the Word "Torture" comes up you should be the very last person on this forum to write about "human rights " cos here is an absolute raft of Information about your ex organisation the East German Stasi got up to https://www.google.com/#q=++Torture+...+German+Stasi+

I'm gonna tell you a secret, piwi. The prison of the Stasi in Hohenschoenhausen had 200 beds. That was the capacity for 'political' prisoners in a country of 17 million. Former inmates reported the torture they endured, they had to sleep on the back with the hands on top of the blanket all night. If they turned, they were woken up.

I bet plenty of the 2.5 million US prisoners would have prefered the Stasi as host. Maybe 2 million of them would not be in prison if convicted according to DDR law. Lockett would not have been executed, he would in all likelyhood never have committed this crime. We didn't regard baser human instincts as virtues. From what I've seen and heared for all these years, I would prefer to live in the DDR again, rather than in the US. And the Stasi would need more muscle to protect us from agitators like you.

The last civilian executed before the death penalty was abolished was a serial child raper and murderer in 1972. The Stasi procured the file of a similar case in West Germany to assist the cops with the investigation, we had no precedent. Since all three victims were found in the same forest, the police put a cop in front of every home day and night in a whole city district. Children could leave the home only in company of a parent, they also had to bring them to and pick em up at school. The cops interviewed every pupil in the schools nearby and there they got the crucial lead, a boy had been molested before the first murder, but didn't talk out of shame. The case shocked the country so much that all kids were instructed at school on how to behave towards strangers several times per year. An educational film was also made. This was the standard of fighting crime.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

A classic case of excuse making was in post 104 ,and who knows what goes on in a self confessed Marxist's mind ?

A self confessed Marxist? Which hat did you pull that one out of?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

No ,Cos all the explanation was ,was a left wing feeble excuse for the for this Scum bag low lifes behavior , the real explanation was they broke into the house and ransacked it looking for drugs

The problem is Piwi, that as long as you and your ilk keep to your Ostrich behaviour, the likes of Clayton Lockett will continue to surface. You will continue to believe in the monsters under the bed and scum-bags that need to be executed and they will continue to pop-up and rape and murder.

I don't know the USA figures for re-offenders, or the duration between offences but I imagine that it is on the high side of 60%. What is the purpose of imprisonment? Is it simply to keep the criminals off the street and to punish them or is there an element of rehabilitation? Certainly the punishment doesn't seem to deter them from re-offending and the rehabilitation isn't working either. In fact, the way prisons are going it seems more like they are there solely to keep the bad guys off the streets for a while. That's a pretty expensive outlay for very little benefit.

This is not something that is only in the minds of 'left-wing excuse for evil' people (that you accuse anyone that appears to think rationally) as the following Green Paper shows; a report presented to Government by the Coalition Party.

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...-the-cycle.pdf

When somebody commits such a crime as Clayton Lockett, there are some that take it at face value and jump on the band wagon of lynch-mob mentality. There are others that try to think why a human being can become so angry and hate so much that he is capable of such an act. That is not making excuses for the act but merely trying to rationalise how it could happen and if there were steps that could be taken that may prevent similar crimes in the future. Naturally it won't stop all crimes but if it stops just one murder, one execution, two life sentences and several distressed people then it will be a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by bobo746

I dont care if this bloke got banged by half the jail population, he got what he deserved.These blokes always use the the same old same old it was how i was treated when i was younger, bullshit get over it and dont f--k up

Yeah I suppose Lockets two accomplices had been Imprisoned as young kids and raped too,along with the other Hundreds of thousands of prisoners who have perpetrated violence ,rape and murder against innocent members of the public ,many times I might add are drug related ,Lockets case is now high profile because of what happened, but what about the Hundreds of Thousands of other violent criminals we never hear of who are incarcerated ,have all them been imprisoned as adolescents and been sexually abused ? what a total Crock.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Rainfall I would think its fair say that when the Word "Torture" comes up you should be the very last person on this forum to write about "human rights " cos here is an absolute raft of Information about your ex organisation the East German Stasi got up to https://www.google.com/#q=++Torture+...+German+Stasi+

I'm gonna tell you a secret, piwi. The prison of the Stasi in Hohenschoenhausen had 200 beds. That was the capacity for 'political' prisoners in a country of 17 million. Former inmates reported the torture they endured, they had to sleep on the back with the hands on top of the blanket all night. If they turned, they were woken up.

I bet plenty of the 2.5 million US prisoners would have prefered the Stasi as host. Maybe 2 million of them would not be in prison if convicted according to DDR law. Lockett would not have been executed, he would in all likelyhood never have committed this crime. We didn't regard baser human instincts as virtues. From what I've seen and heared for all these years, I would prefer to live in the DDR again, rather than in the US. And the Stasi would need more muscle to protect us from agitators like you.

The last civilian executed before the death penalty was abolished was a serial child raper and murderer in 1972. The Stasi procured the file of a similar case in West Germany to assist the cops with the investigation, we had no precedent. Since all three victims were found in the same forest, the police put a cop in front of every home day and night in a whole city district. Children could leave the home only in company of a parent, they also had to bring them to and pick em up at school. The cops interviewed every pupil in the schools nearby and there they got the crucial lead, a boy had been molested before the first murder, but didn't talk out of shame. The case shocked the country so much that all kids were instructed at school on how to behave towards strangers several times per year. An educational film was also made. This was the standard of fighting crime.

Laughable

Unless one is fully aware of the devastating effect addictive drugs has on people not just on the perpetrator of the crime but the victim too , its impossible to get a true picture ,sadly as I have said many times before there is NOTHING I do not know about the drug trade ,I have seen it inside out ,upside down ,and any way one would think possible ,I have lost count of crimes committed and people's lives wrecked through Crack Cocaine , Amphetamines,LSD and Heroin in Manchester many coming from Good families , they cannot work as a result of it and some resort to crime to feed the 50 pound a day habit , the case in this thread was undoubtedly drug related ,and when some one is in such a state all the reasoning and words of comfort in the World mean exactly SFA ,I have seen people go in detox units and then come out and say they have seen the light and are cured ,only to hear a month down the line that they are back on it, here is quite an alarming article about the Drug problem in the US ,billions are spent on drug enforcement to try and stop the evil trade ,does any one out there think its been a success? Drug War-Related Homicides In The US Average At Least 1,100 a Year | the narcosphere

If Clayton Locket was handed down a 7 year sentence in an Adult prison at the tender age of 16 , he must have done something pretty heavy , I wonder what excuses will be given for his incarceration and to whom blame should be attributed to, his? nah there has to be another reason, Society perhaps? if it was society there would be hundreds of millions in Jail , anything but put the blame on him .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

he must have done something pretty heavy

Do you know how to use google?

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