Thread: Are farangs second class citizen in Thailand ?

Originally Posted by ENT

You really haven't lived in Thailand if you think that you'll get a better deal than your missus can on a sale.

My missus almost always asks me to negotiate the final deal with contractors and I always get a better deal.

I never get involved during the initial negotiations but take over during the crunch discussions.

Maybe I'm different but I find it easy to deal with Thais.

I am well aware of how xenophobic and racists Asians really are

How many racist threads are running on Pantip today? Or dek-d? Or on any of the other big Thai forums? How many are going here? And what are the sizes of these Thai forums compared to twatdoor? If you read the comments at, say, Manager how do they compare to, say, The Mail? You don’t know? You’ve never read them? Well that’s a fucking shock, isn’t it? You really are a stupid little git, aren’t you – here’s some deranged geriatric halfwit cnut whose major interest in life seems to be slagging off Asians and Muslamics cocking on about everyone else being racist. All Asians are racist, are they? Nothing self-defeating about that little gem, is there, you fucking cretin. Do you have not even an ounce of self-knowledge? Really? Not even that much? Fucking turd.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by Gilbert

The only farangs that are 2nd or 3rd class citizens in Thailand are those that are the 2nd or 3rd class citizens in life.

Spot on.

I have demanded equality when needed and if anything I am treated better then a local.

If you have done things to deserve respect then Thais are very happy to give you that respect.

Yep - I never feel hard done by here, and for me life is exceptionally easy barring the one or two bits of bullshit which usually end up on a forum as a whinge. I would say categorically that I feel no more a 2nd class citizen here than anywhere else in the world.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

I think you posers, err posters are more than a little off with your broad brush assessments, especially Fluke (but that poster always seems a half bubble off anyway)..

Foreigners who are legally married to a thai national (not ones who've just done the bull shit dog-n-pony show face gaining thai wedding party), who've worked legally in thailand and paid taxes for 3 years don't even need to apply for Permanent Residence status! They can apply directly for thai citizenship!

That so few foreigner do this says more about the lack of motivation on the part of the foreigner than the way the system is run by the thais. They aren't tryin' to stop you from becoming a thai citizen, you just don't want to invest what it takes to do it.

Unfortunately just because a foreigner managed to figure out how to breed with a thai women and has a couple half-breed kids isn't enough to make the powers that be interested in your alleged contributions to thai society at large.

I think ENT has more than a little skewed perception. If the thaiz treat you like you're an alien, it's because you let them. If you let them two tier price you, again it's because you let them. Stupid is as stupid does.. Act like a dumb white buffalo and thais will lead you by the nose. Stand up for yourself, don't take shit off these people and they'll be just fine with you.

I hafta ask some of you; do you guys find it hard living here without a spine?

BTW: Thailand is most definitely a third world country (seeing as there are NO second world countries since that was for the former USSR back in the day). Christ even thais will admit they're a "developing third world country".

Im not sure why you singled me out , I have pretty much said the same as you have

Originally Posted by Fluke

I realise that its possible , but very difficult and rare for a felang to get Thai citizenship .
But Thai citizenship is only routinely given to people who have a Thai parent .

Originally Posted by ENT

In any dispute, claim or transaction made by a farang in Thailand, the Thai will win, no doubts about that.

Then there's the two tier pricing system, especially for public amenities such as hot springs and national parks.

But, if you register as a resident for one month to get your Thai driver's licence, well woop-de-doo, yer a resident and on flashing your Thai driver's licence you get into your venue of choice at Thai rates.

That isnt true , My Felang friend took a Thai solicitor to Court for corruption, won and got him struck off .
The two tier pricing happens the World over where locals get in cheaper than tourists

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by ENT

You really haven't lived in Thailand if you think that you'll get a better deal than your missus can on a sale.

My missus almost always asks me to negotiate the final deal with contractors and I always get a better deal.

I never get involved during the initial negotiations but take over during the crunch discussions.

Maybe I'm different but I find it easy to deal with Thais.

That's how my partner and I work.

She does all the inital haggling, contractors , find the right lawyer and hand over the tea money.

I do all the directing, and encourage the workers to do good work.

Originally Posted by ENT

I get into various places or pay Thai prices shopping if I'm with my Thai partner, and she's the one who keeps me from being fleeced.

Otherwise, as in most of Asia, ya gotta haggle, most of tjhe time while shopping, or y'll get fleeced.

If this kind of thing has never happened to you in Thailand, then you've never been here, so don't try and give me the bit about being screwed by Thais because I'm spineless, ya jumped up little pr*ck.

Nearly all shops now have prices marked and theres no haggling .
There may still be some shops that dont have prices on goods , but then just go to a shop that has its goods priced up .

Don't you go to markets?

You can pretty easily chip 20 bt off 200 bt marked price t-shirt or something just not at big c or shopping malls. But in Kad Luang they'll always give a bit of a discount on the ticket price.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Felang

What's a Felang?

Don't you go to markets?

Originally Posted by ENT

Don't you go to markets?

Yes, when I go to local markets I usually get quoted to correct price , you just need to know the price of things beforehand .
Most things that I buy from markets, I roughly know how much they should costs , they may add 10 baht to the price , but they usually just deduct the 10 baht from the price upon paying without me even having to haggle
I avoid the tourist markets though .

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by Fluke

Felang

What's a Felang?

A Caucasian Foreigner in Thailand .

Originally Posted by Fluke

Nearly all shops now have prices marked and theres no haggling .
There may still be some shops that dont have prices on goods , but then just go to a shop that has its goods priced up .

Hmm.

That seems a very 'farang' approach.

Originally Posted by ENT

She does all the inital haggling, contractors , find the right lawyer and hand over the tea money.

I do all the directing, and encourage the workers to do good work.

Sounds similar to us - except that I'm more a sort of 'implied threat' than an actual director.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by Fluke

Nearly all shops now have prices marked and theres no haggling .
There may still be some shops that dont have prices on goods , but then just go to a shop that has its goods priced up .

Hmm.

That seems a very 'farang' approach.

No, the "farang approach" is to try to get a 9 Baht bottle of water from 7/11 for 8 Baht

Really?

I'd say avoiding shops where you can negotiate the price in favour of shops where you can't is a pretty 'back home' approach.

Not 'plain silly' as in your seven eleven example, just pretty naive.

Do you think that price tag ever has the 'discount' already subtracted?

If so some bad news: it doesn't.

That's a common tourist cheepskate trip.

My above post directedvto fluke' last one.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Really?

I'd say avoiding shops where you can negotiate the price in favour of shops where you can't is a pretty 'back home' approach.

Not 'plain silly' as in your seven eleven example, just pretty naive.

Do you think that price tag ever has the 'discount' already subtracted?

If so some bad news: it doesn't.

For myself personally, the embarrassment of asking for a discount in a shop with price tags would far outweigh any minimal monetary gain .
Saying that , when I go to buy shoes , one shop charges 100 Baht more than the other for the same shoes , and when I go to the more expensive shop , I do offer them the other shops price , which they accept

Originally Posted by Fluke

Saying that , when I go to buy shoes , one shop charges 100 Baht more than the other for the same shoes , and when I go to the more expensive shop , I do offer them the other shops price , which they accept

So it's an exception to your previously stated rule, then?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Nearly all shops now have prices marked and theres no haggling .

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

In any dispute, claim or transaction made by a farang in Thailand, the Thai will win, no doubts about that.

Then there's the two tier pricing system, especially for public amenities such as hot springs and national parks.

But, if you register as a resident for one month to get your Thai driver's licence, well woop-de-doo, yer a resident and on flashing your Thai driver's licence you get into your venue of choice at Thai rates.

That isnt true , My Felang friend took a Thai solicitor to Court for corruption, won and got him struck off .
The two tier pricing happens the World over where locals get in cheaper than tourists

One fly doesn'!t make a summer and there are no swarms of farang emerging from court houses skipping gleefully here yet.

As for lofalz/mates rates, that's a global practice.
But a legalised two tiered pricing system is adirferent story.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by ENT

In any dispute, claim or transaction made by a farang in Thailand, the Thai will win, no doubts about that.

Then there's the two tier pricing system, especially for public amenities such as hot springs and national parks.

But, if you register as a resident for one month to get your Thai driver's licence, well woop-de-doo, yer a resident and on flashing your Thai driver's licence you get into your venue of choice at Thai rates.

That isnt true , My Felang friend took a Thai solicitor to Court for corruption, won and got him struck off .
The two tier pricing happens the World over where locals get in cheaper than tourists

One fly doesn'!t make a summer and there are no swarms of farang emerging from court houses skipping gleefully here yet.

As for loca/mates rates, that's a global practice.
But a legalised two tiered pricing system is a different story.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

I've lived here for many, many years and in my experience, people try it on pretty much exactly as often as they did when I lived in England.

Originally Posted by ENT

Bullshit.

There's no two tier pricing system in UK,

As ENT says quite rightly . . . there is no two-tier system in the UK, Germany, Australia, the US etc.... if you have people 'trying it on' in the UK then it is you who has the problem

Originally Posted by Fluke

Im not sure why you singled me out , I have pretty much said the same as you have

No, you didn't, not even in your revised position.

Why do you do this, Fluke? Just accept that you were wrong and get on with your life instead of drawing everything out interminably trying to justify yourself - without a leg to stand on

Originally Posted by Fluke

Saying that , when I go to buy shoes , one shop charges 100 Baht more than the other for the same shoes , and when I go to the more expensive shop , I do offer them the other shops price , which they accept

This clown will always go for the most difficult route. Why not just buy at the already discounted price.
Still at least you have risen in my estimation - I now know you wear shoes.