Rabies

**wasabi** · 24-03-2014, 01:27 AM

Yes it did reinforce My view on British courage, when the other neighbour he was chatting to before I walked up to say hello, ran into his house and locked his door.
You can always rely on your fellow Brits to run away, and not get involved.

**bangkokbonecollector** · 24-03-2014, 01:34 AM

^ Picts and the kelts were the ones who had the courage.

**Gerbil** · 24-03-2014, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by misskit

Apparently, an animal can be observed for ten days for signs of rabies. If the animal is still alive and well, no need for the full course of injections for the bite victim.

Correct. The animal only shows visible signs of rabies during the last 7 days of its life, so if you watch it for 10 days and it shows no signs (and is still alive!), you are safe. The vaccine is still effective if taken 2-3 weeks after infection.

(But if you die, don't blame me, so best to see a doctor anyway.

)

**bangkokbonecollector** · 24-03-2014, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by misskit

Apparently, an animal can be observed for ten days for signs of rabies. If the animal is still alive and well, no need for the full course of injections for the bite victim.

Correct. The animal only shows visible signs of rabies during the last 7 days of its life, so if you watch it for 10 days and it shows no signs (and is still alive!), you are safe. The vaccine is still effective if taken 2-3 weeks after infection.

(But if you die, don't blame me, so best to see a doctor anyway.

)

post prelax only works before symptoms manifest, once you have symptoms your fucked. Dogs can remain dormant for months.

**Gerbil** · 24-03-2014, 01:49 AM

Yes, but they are ony contagious in the last 7 days.

(Still, anyone who takes medical advice from me is a bloody idiot.

)

**bangkokbonecollector** · 24-03-2014, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Yes, but they are ony contagious in the last 7 days.

(Still, anyone who takes medical advice from me is a bloody idiot.

)

not true

**neemo** · 24-03-2014, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Yes, but they are ony contagious in the last 7 days.

(Still, anyone who takes medical advice from me is a bloody idiot.

)

not true

Which part?

**Gerbil** · 24-03-2014, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Yes, but they are ony contagious in the last 7 days.

(Still, anyone who takes medical advice from me is a bloody idiot.

)

not true

Ahem....

CDC - Transmission: The Path of the Virus - Rabies

The time between the bite and the appearance of symptoms is called the incubation period and it may last for weeks to months. A bite by the animal during the incubation period does not carry a risk of rabies because the virus has not yet made it to the saliva.

**bangkokbonecollector** · 24-03-2014, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Originally Posted by bangkokbonecollector

Originally Posted by Gerbil

Yes, but they are ony contagious in the last 7 days.

(Still, anyone who takes medical advice from me is a bloody idiot.

)

not true

Ahem....

CDC - Transmission: The Path of the Virus - Rabies

The time between the bite and the appearance of symptoms is called the incubation period and it may last for weeks to months. A bite by the animal during the incubation period does not carry a risk of rabies because the virus has not yet made it to the saliva.

Stand corrected but I would still get the jabs. I still wouldn't take the risk with rabies and I don't think they are only infectious in the last 7 days of the illness. It would not be foolish in this instance to assume the CDC may be slightly wrong in their assumption that in every case the animal is only infectious upon symptoms showing and that their is no small amount of time when the animal is not showing symptoms but is infectious.

**November Rain** · 24-03-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by wasabi

Having survived the village dogs and Soi dogs of Bangkok, I return to the U.K to great an old neighbour (70 yr old) He has this American Pit Bull on a lead and suggests that I pat his dog as he wants the dog to get to know the neighbours. Didn't have to pat the dog, it lunged at Me and sunk it fangs into My arm. Old Man blamed Me by saying I showed fear. The bloody dog is a physco, old man rescued it when the Roma Gypsies left the dog behind tied up to a tree in the back yard ,which was pretty much its life from a puppy.

Much as I'm pretty much ALWAYS on the side of the dog, and it does sound like the poor thing has had a rotten life, an unpredictable pit bull type (if it is an American Pit bull and it is unregistered, unmicrochipped, unneutered and out without a muzzle - or any of those - in UK, it's illegal) and a 70 year old owner who cannot control it, even on a lead, sound a very bad combination. It really pains me to say it, but I think you have to report it. If it bit you unprovoked, it'll bite others. And a pit bull type can do a lot of damage, especially to a child.

**Rainfall** · 24-03-2014, 11:49 PM

Rabies are rare, even in this shithole. The only 100% deadly bug though, can't take any risks. TGF got bitten today by a Soidog, and will start the vaccination tomorrow. It happened like this, we found a pack of Soidog puppies yesterday in the park where we walk our dogs, adult relatives nowhere to be seen. 8 cute little things, maybe 2 weeks old. In a year from now, about all but one will be dead. Girlfriend took pics of them, and uploaded them to Facebook. Got 23 likes the very evening, and was over the moon. Decided to take more pics today, but mom turned out to be around, and went for GF's legs.

Female dogs with the tits grinding on the floor are a lower risks than male dogs, though. They get less frequently into fights, and pregnancies take so much out of them that they all die young.

**Sailing into trouble** · 25-03-2014, 12:51 AM

It used to be that rabies vaccinations were almost as bad as the cure. That is when you got the needles in the stomach. Today thank god the cure is available. many years ago saw one of the most disturbing docs I have ever seen. It was a holding place for Turks who had rabies, bloody terrible way to go.

**BaitongBoy** · 25-03-2014, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

many years ago saw one of the most disturbing docs I have ever seen. It was a holding place for Turks who had rabies, bloody terrible way to go

Thought you were talking about a Turkish doctor...Heh...

**wasabi** · 25-03-2014, 01:36 AM

Documentry

**BaitongBoy** · 25-03-2014, 01:37 AM

Yeah, documentary...Turkish style...

**Simon43** · 25-03-2014, 08:05 AM

I used to have a GF who enjoyed biting me - she could easily get into a biting frenzy when I licked in the right place.

Should I have had jabs???

**wasabi** · 28-03-2014, 06:52 AM

Poor Simon, once bitten by a Thai women, twice as shy.

**Roobarb** · 29-03-2014, 12:38 AM

About a year ago I was bitten by a monkey in our back garden (in Delhi). Nasty little sod it was.

Anyway, having heard somewhere that monkey bites were not a good thing I thought I'd better nip down to the doctor and see what he recommended. Amongst other things he reckoned rabies could be an issue, so prescribed a course of five injections over two weeks.

I'd heard that rabies jabs were a bit costly, so was pleasantly surprised to find out that the first one was the equivalent of about 300 Baht.

The next day I was on a trip to Singapore, so took a doctor's note and presented myself to Singapore General asking for the next jab.

Prior to getting it a doctor saw me and asked if I had ever had any rabies vaccinations before the monkey had bitten me.

'Errr, no' was the answer.

It transpires that if you have not had pre-exposure vaccination then it is recommended that you have a shot of something called immunoglobulin, indeed the course of rabies vaccinations may not be effective if you don't.

Now immunoglobulin is not cheap, in fact per gram I think it cost more than gold. Having asked the doctor if it was strictly necessary (after all, no mention of it was made by the previous doctor in India) she said maybe not, but if in my case we did find out that it was necessary then it would already be too late. The upside though would be that I wouldn't have too long left to rue the poor decision I'd made.

Rather unfairly immunoglobulin is dished out based on your body weight. The long and the short of it is that, having given the hospital scales a bit of a workout, they had to pump S$ 2,000 worth into me to immunise my ample frame.

It's all about risk. A wild, vicious monkey in India - I was not taking the chance on that not having rabies and, given the alternatives, I'll go with the wallet-lightening recommendations.

As an odd side note, Singapore don't get many rabies cases. On the day I went a vet had been in earlier that morning to get a jab after being bitten by a dog. It caused a fair amount of confusion when, for the second time in a day, someone turfed up asking for a rabies vaccination. Apparently months can go by without them needing to administer it.

The hospital actually had to send out for more immunoglobulin as they had used up their stock on the last fellow. The order was then cancelled as someone said that the patient had already been treated, then re-ordered again when they realised they had two patients. Finally they got the new stock only for the nurse to wonder why I was back again as her colleague had already given the rabies patient his jab...

Was the immunoglobulin necessary? Dunno, but a year on and I'm still here, father to my two kids and all that. It was a decent chunk of change, but it did buy peace of mind.

I know I sounds trite, but it's worth trying to avoid being bitten in the first place if at all possible...

**wasabi** · 29-03-2014, 12:47 AM

That was interesting, glad you are okay.

**BaitongBoy** · 29-03-2014, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Simon43

she could easily get into a biting frenzy when I licked in the right place.

Teeth marks all over your wallet...Which place was that?...

**BaitongBoy** · 29-03-2014, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Roobarb

I know I sounds trite, but it's worth trying to avoid being bitten in the first place if at all possible...

Be careful in the Roobarb Patch...

**neemo** · 29-03-2014, 04:27 AM

and never enter the...

**BaitongBoy** · 29-03-2014, 04:35 AM

7/11 by yourself at night...

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