Thread: Why don't you get Thai citizenship?

Originally Posted by hojopotatoes

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by hojopotatoes

If working in Thailand, he or she must have an income of at least 80,000 baht a month or have paid taxes in the year the citizenship application is made of 100,000 baht or more.

Well, that say fuck the Thais again in my view. They'll let people legally work here making much less but won't accept anyone who makes less than that. All hail All hail the grand poobaa!

I do not think they want tefler's getting citizenship to be honest.

I understand why.

Fits the exploitive nature of Thai elite and the hierarchical system. You think if teachers are so unwanted you wouldn't want them near your kids. Do the Thais want Mr. Fondles?

I do not know if they want me or not but If I chose to go down the route of citizenship you can rest assured my income is more than enough to satisfy the requirements.

Originally Posted by hojopotatoes

The thread was opened with the question why don't you get citizenship yet few have answered that question.

Thats an easy one to answer, when my work decides they no longer want me I will go home. I have no desire to stay here until eternity.

I continuously monitor the regulations about getting citizenship, and they do change from time to time. I can't be bothered to back up my statements with links, so you will just have to believe me on this.....

But the most important points:

- Foreign males do not need to have PR, so long as they are married to a Thai. If not married, then they need PR, which is expensive to obtain and can take a loooong time, primarily due to the numerous changes in the government.

- If you are married, then you can apply for citizenship. Your application will only be forwarded for consideration if you have the necessary minimum number of points that are awarded as follows:

Thai Citizenship - Points Allocation (minimum 50/100 required for further consideration) 2010

AGE AND EDUCATION

Age:
20 t0 30 - 2 points
30 to 40 – 5 points
40 to 50 – 10 points
50 to 60 – 8 points
Over 60 – 5 points

Education:
Mor 6 and above – 3 points
Diploma – 5 points
Bachelors Degree – 8 points
Masters Degree – 10 points
Doctrate – 15 points

SECURITY OF PROFESSION

Income (monthly):
80,000 to 90,000 – 15 points
90,000 to 100,000 – 20 points
Over 100,000 – 25 points

OR

Income (monthly) in the case of ethnic minorities (e.g. stateless persons of hill tribe, Burmese, Vietnamese origin – Arkady’s note):
40,000 to 50,000 – 15 points
50,000 to 60,000 – 20 points
Over 60,000 – 25 points

OR

Income (monthly) in the case of ethnic minorities holding an Alien ID Card (type issued to stateless persons – Arkady’s note) for 10 years or more:
20,000 to 30,000 – 15 points
30,000 to 40,000 – 20 points
Over 40,000 – 25 points

OR

Income (monthly) in the case of those married to a Thai national, or having Thai children, or having graduated from high school in Thailand:
40,000 to 50,000 – 15 points
50,000 to 60,000 – 20 points
Over 60,000 – 25 points

OR

Income (monthly) in the case of ethnic minorities married to a Thai national, or having Thai children, or having graduated from high school in Thailand:
20,000 to 30,000 – 15 points
30,000 to 40,000 – 20 points
Over 40,000 – 25 points

Alternatively points for security of profession based on salary tax paid in the year before application and this is somewhat confusingly based on salary rather than amount of tax paid. Points for payment of tax used to be allocated over and above those allocated for salary and it is not clear what is the purpose of this alternative in the 2010 points section, unless it is just a surreptitious way to raise the bar slightly. If anyone knows, please post. Omitting the minorities this time, it is thus.Income (monthly) on which tax paid:
80,000 to 100,000 – 15 points
100,000 to 120,000 – 20 points
Over 120,000 – 25 pointsORIncome (monthly) on which tax paid in the case of those married to a Thai national, or having Thai children, or having graduated from high school in Thailand:
40,000 to 60,000 – 15 points
60,000 to 80,000 – 20 points
Over 80,000 – 25 pointsRESIDENCE IN THAILAND

Domicile:
Has evidence of civil registration showing domicile in Thailand for at least 5 years but no Certificate of Residence or Alien Registration Certificate – 5 points

Has evidence of civil registration showing domicile in Thailand for at least 5 years and has Certificate of Residence or Alien Registration Certificate for at least 5 years – 10 points

Has evidence of civil registration showing domicile in Thailand for at least 5 years and has Certificate of Residence or Alien Registration Certificate for at least 7 years – 15 points
Has evidence of civil registration showing domicile in Thailand for at least 5 years and has Certificate of Residence or Alien Registration Certificate for at least 10 years – 20 points(Arkady’s note: “evidence of civil registration” refers to the Civil Registration Act which, as amended in 2008, requires all residents to be registered in House Registration Books or tabian baan, including foreigners residing temporarily in Thailand).

KNOWLEDGE OF THAI LANGUAGE

Thai Language Ability:

Able to speak and understand spoken Thai – 8 points

Able to speak and understand spoken Thai and sing the National and Royal Anthems – 10 points

Able to speak and understand spoken Thai, sing the National and Royal Anthems, and read Thai – 13 points

Able to speak and understand spoken Thai, sing the National and Royal Anthems, and read and write Thai – 15 points

KNOWLEDGE OF THAILAND

Has a medium level knowledge of Thailand

(1-5 correct answers) – 5 points

Has a good knowledge of Thailand

(6-8 correct answers) – 8 points

Has a very good knowledge of Thailand

(9-10 correct answers) -10 points

PERSONALITY

Assessment based on personality, physical appearance and bearing, speech, Thai manners, attitude towards Thailand, Thai culture and ceremonies. 5 - points


Also, for your application to be considered, you must have been 'resident' in Thailand for at least 3 consecutive years, (meaning visa extensions), and you must have paid tax for at least 3 years.

Most people apply under the business category, which is where the minimum salary of 80,000 baht comes in. Usually, 100k salary is actually required per month.

A few people apply under the humanitarian category (Thai family etc), where the salary requirements are much lower. I have only heard of one successful application in this category (a highly-qualified academic) - so there some faint hope for TEFLers.....

You need to be able to speak Thai, as well as reading/writing a bit (but not fluent in the latter).

You need to well integrated with your local Thai community.

You need to have a history of charitable work - being a Tourist Police Volunteer is well-regarded!

Hope that helps

Simon