Thread: Steve Mc Queen

Originally Posted by xanax

12 years a slave was a one dimensional, sentimental guilt film, no better than roots and not much more historically accurate. Such films are always bashing the southerners and never the northern slave owners, including many presidents and even Grant who won the war.

Who cares?

It's about persecuting blacks, that's why it won.

If you want to win the Oscars, play a gay, black, Jewish, disabled transexual who survives AIDs only to die at the hands of the Nazis to save your baby.

That ought to do it.

Will they ever make a movie about the British Royal Navy patrolling the seas enforcing Britain's law that outlawed slavery, the first Country in the World to do so ?
Or a movie detailing the slave trade before Europeans got involved , showing that slavery was an Arab/ African tradition long before Europeans joinnd in ?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by xanax

12 years a slave was a one dimensional, sentimental guilt film, no better than roots and not much more historically accurate. Such films are always bashing the southerners and never the northern slave owners, including many presidents and even Grant who won the war.

Who cares?

It's about persecuting blacks, that's why it won.

If you want to win the Oscars, play a gay, black, Jewish, disabled transexual who survives AIDs only to die at the hands of the Nazis to save your baby.

That ought to do it.

You are right, it's absolutely forbidden these days to have a black bad man in a film, and if there is they will have to have strong mitigating circumstances. When was the last time we saw a black robber, murderer or rapist in a film? I believe blacks are quite well represented in these areas, so why fantasise that they are not in film?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Or a movie detailing the slave trade before Europeans got involved , showing that slavery was an Arab/ African tradition long before Europeans joinnd in ?

Or that Africa is one of the few places where slaves can still be bought and sold, not very likely is it!

What a contrast Ellen DeGeneres is to Seth MacFarlane, whose asinine, smirking school bully shtick last year struck a bum note.

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She concludes that either 12 Years a Slave wins everything or the voters are racist.

the telegraph

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Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

while rummaging in my local DVD shop a couple of months ago.

They still exist?

They have them In NZ I noticed

Originally Posted by blue

I downloaded it but deleted it unwatched,when I noticed him in it.

I feel the same about Tom Cruise

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Me as well, funny old thing.

Yup, Steve McQueen

Originally Posted by Fluke

Will they ever make a movie about the British Royal Navy patrolling the seas enforcing Britain's law that outlawed slavery, the first Country in the World to do so ?
Or a movie detailing the slave trade before Europeans got involved , showing that slavery was an Arab/ African tradition long before Europeans joinnd in ?

Feeling a bit persecuted, Fluke? Those bad people not doing what you want them to?

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Fluke

Will they ever make a movie about the British Royal Navy patrolling the seas enforcing Britain's law that outlawed slavery, the first Country in the World to do so ?
Or a movie detailing the slave trade before Europeans got involved , showing that slavery was an Arab/ African tradition long before Europeans joinnd in ?

Feeling a bit persecuted, Fluke? Those bad people not doing what you want them to?

Just making a point that films only seem to cover one aspect of the slavery story.
History has been re written .
Many people are unaware that Africans sold their fellow Africans to slave traders and that slave traders barely ventured off their boats , the whole story should be documented, not just certain aspects of it , otherwise people get a false sense of reality

And that most of the early Presidents were slave owners, never depicted in film

Originally Posted by xanax

And that most of the early Presidents were slave owners, never depicted in film

Yes, that is my point , many of the facts are ignored .

Facts rarely get in the way of a Hollywood story 'based on actual events'.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by Fluke

Will they ever make a movie about the British Royal Navy patrolling the seas enforcing Britain's law that outlawed slavery, the first Country in the World to do so ?
Or a movie detailing the slave trade before Europeans got involved , showing that slavery was an Arab/ African tradition long before Europeans joinnd in ?

Feeling a bit persecuted, Fluke? Those bad people not doing what you want them to?

Just making a point that films only seem to cover one aspect of the slavery story.
History has been re written .
Many people are unaware that Africans sold their fellow Africans to slave traders and that slave traders barely ventured off their boats , the whole story should be documented, not just certain aspects of it , otherwise people get a false sense of reality

Many people also forget that slavery was an established practice all through pre history. It was a staple of the economy in classical times before the advent of the yoke. They also forget the very origin of the word slave, which derives from Slav, due to the prevalence of Slavs in the market place, who where mostly captured and onsold by mainly christian Franks, Saxons and Swedes.

The issue of slavery in America is not slavery per se but that it existed in a post Enlightenment country founded by those seeking freedom from persecution and whose founding doctrines enshrined individual freedoms. Unless you were black....

Well you all have no idea what makes a good film. Gravity - 7 So far, including Best Director which was a no-brainer.

So it would seem. I guess the criteria must include abysmal dialogue, ludicrous plot, dreadful acting and faintly nausea-inducing CGI.

Some of the less glamorous categories (technical stuff, shorts, documentaries, animations, the whole of the non-English-speaking world, etc) may still have merit but for the high-profile categories, the Oscars are a fairly dependable guide to what not to waste time on.

So the founders of America were hypocrites?

Originally Posted by Necron99

The issue of slavery in America is not slavery per se but that it existed in a post Enlightenment country founded by those seeking freedom from persecution and whose founding doctrines enshrined individual freedoms. Unless you were black....

So because other Countries and peoples were less developed and enlightened than the USA , we should ignore their participation in the slave trade ?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Necron99

The issue of slavery in America is not slavery per se but that it existed in a post Enlightenment country founded by those seeking freedom from persecution and whose founding doctrines enshrined individual freedoms. Unless you were black....

So because other Countries and peoples were less developed and enlightened than the USA , we should ignore their participation in the slave trade ?

It hasn't been ignored.
History books are full of it.

Originally Posted by xanax

So the founders of America were hypocrites?

Totally and unequivocally, in every way.

But the founding fathers were not enlightened - life liberty and the pursuit of happiness was just for them, not blacks or native indians.

Originally Posted by Necron99

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It hasn't been ignored.
History books are full of it.

But it's films we are talking about and these days that is where people get their history from, not so many read books, especially blacks.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

Well you all have no idea what makes a good film. Gravity - 7 So far, including Best Director which was a no-brainer.

So it would seem. I guess the criteria must include abysmal dialogue, ludicrous plot, dreadful acting and faintly nausea-inducing CGI.

Some of the less glamorous categories (technical stuff, shorts, documentaries, animations, the whole of the non-English-speaking world, etc) may still have merit but for the high-profile categories, the Oscars are a fairly dependable guide to what not to waste time on.

It is not the critic who counts, etc.

Any recommendations?

yes,



the remarkable "the act of killing"

the act of killing has lost out in the best documentary category at the 86th Academy Awards to backing-singer study 20 Feet from Stardom.

The Act of Killing
Production year: 2012
Countries: Rest of the world, UK
Cert (UK): 15
Runtime: 115/159 mins
Directors: Christine Cynn, Joshua Oppenheimer
Cast: Hajif Anif, Syamsul Arifun
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Directed by Joshua Oppenheimer, The Act of Killing is a searing insight into the gruesome anti-communist massacres in 1960s Indonesia, including extensive interviews with and reenactments by the actual perpetrators. Produced by, among others, Werner Herzog and Errol Morris, the film had attracted both hostility and praise, and already won a string of awards including the Bafta for best documentary.

^^^ Maybe but...

1970s Best Picture Winners: Patton, The French Connection, The Godfather, The Sting, The Godfather II, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Rocky, Annie Hall, The Deer Hunter, Kramer vs Kramer.

2000s Best Picture Winners: Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind, Chicago, Lord of the Rings, Million Dollar Baby, Crash, The Departed, No Country for Old Men, Slumdog Millionaire, The Hurt Locker.

The gulf in quality between those two lists is huge. It's true that these days Hollywood turns out one absolute fucking dog after another to a degree which it probably didn't 40 years ago, but even so there seems to have been a precipitous decline in judgement.