Thread: Australia Day

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

how did they sail all the way to Australia in shackles?

You've said some dumb things, but that takes the cake.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Sorry to disappoint, however, full northern European ancestry

So why are you sticking your fvkin nose in here.

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Everyone is too busy explaining how the Aborigines are lucky to have been colonised and should be grateful for it, the lazy, dole-bludgers

Would you have them running around as they were before their benevolent liberators arrived?

So the choice is having them run around like they were before or being the victims of near-genocide as the only two options.

Hmm, tough one . . . I can see why you are having trouble reaching a conclusion

Originally Posted by peaches

You've said some dumb things, but that takes the cake.

Try reading it in context . . . but that would take brains and not aggression

Originally Posted by peaches

So why are you sticking your fvkin nose in here.

Because I'm Australian . . . how about you?

So, still nothing on the 26th as a date? Peaches? Care to actually contribute?

The 26th or the 1st. What's your opinion?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

I've yet to see a sensible argument for Jan 26th, anyone want to try?

Because, as said before, the early settlers celebrated on that day.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

So the choice is having them run around like they were before or being the victims of near-genocide as the only two options.

Hmm, tough one . . . I can see why you are having trouble reaching a conclusion

How would you have handled it, back in the 18th coming across of mob of savages routinely committing atrocities as part of their culture?

Originally Posted by peaches

Because, as said before, the early settlers celebrated on that day.

Define early settlers because Australia came into existence on January 1, 1901 as an independent nation.

I'm guessing you count people in 1899 or 1900 as early settlers?

I'd be interested to hear your point of view on this. Early settlers? Isn't it a NSW thing? Or at best an eastern seaboard thing?

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

So the choice is having them run around like they were before or being the victims of near-genocide as the only two options.

Hmm, tough one . . . I can see why you are having trouble reaching a conclusion

How would you have handled it, back in the 18th coming across of mob of savages routinely committing atrocities as part of their culture?

So, the genocide stopped in the early 18th century? Ok, I'm stumped then. Luckily, to follow this track of reasoning, there were no more killings of aborigines after that time.

That's settled then.

The 26th as opposed to the 1st? What do you think? (Because that's what this discussion is really about)

Nope, Jan 1 is no good really, the Australia that came into being continued to mistreat and persecute them, shit, not even humans until the 60's according to that Australia.
Just cancel it. Christmas too, that probably upsets the giant rainbow serpent on some level.
Easter? yeah, better fuck that off too.

All to appease the 1.5% of the population who should be focusing on moving forward as part of the country instead off dwelling in the past.
How long is enough? Do the French have a national sorry day for England to apologize for the Norman conquest?
What about the Welsh? Is the Queens Birthday a reminder of the Saxon pogroms and enslavement of their people?
Does Germany run around holding ceremonies and apologizing for two World Wars that killed 100's of Millions? Does Japan kow tow for WW2?
History is what it is and no one alive today had anything to do with it. Get over it.

Why not the 18th of January when the first boat actually landed at Botany Bay.

Or the 7th of February when the formal proclamation was read.

Adam Goodes, Australian of the year, congratulations.


Turning peaches into blended wine .

Originally Posted by 9999

Do you wish to defend this, or blame it on the evil white man?

I'm glad you're making coherent and constructive contributions now, thanks.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Just cancel it. Christmas too, that probably upsets the giant rainbow serpent on some level.
Easter? yeah, better fuck that off too.

A bit extreme, don't you think . . . but then I gather the discussion was about cancelling Australia Day altogether . . . because we've clearly developed into a nation that can rationally discuss its past.

Won't Wasabi be pleased to see that we have no problems

Ah, Australia . . . perhaps we can have a chat about our attitude towards Asians, our use of slave labour from the pacific Islands, land confiscation in WW1 etc . . .

Yes, the best civilisation EVER!

Isn't it a shame that Australia Day divides us. We all should recognise the injustices of the past but we need to move forward. To dwell on them serves no purpose. History is littered with injustice. The Roman civilisation brutally subjugated many races and is now remembered mostly for its feats of engineering its art and how it "advanced" civilisation. We dont ask for Germans, Japanese, Turks Italians etc to apologise for past wars every time we meet one. We recognise bad things were done but we have moved on. As long as aboriginals and their apologists waste time on trying to blame others for their predicament they will never move forward. Then again as long as you can find someone else to blame you don't have to take responsibility for yourself. I for one have my flag proudly flying outside my window remembering on this day how lucky I am to live in this country. If others want to live in the past or indulge in self flagulation do so but do it on another day.It wouldn't matter which day it was celebrated people like OR would still find a reason to complain. One must remember there was no Aboriginal Nation no common language( I believe there was over 140 languages spoken) No common agriculture and many intertribal wars, payback, theft/rape of women etc which had not made any visible sign of progress in thousands of years. It was not some common Utopia for all, destroyed by the white settlers. This does not excuse disposession but must be seen in the context of history. Im going for a beer to celebrate and F***k all you naysayers like OR.

Originally Posted by ozthai

Isn't it a shame that Australia Day divides us. We all should recognise the injustices of the past but we need to move forward. To dwell on them serves no purpose. History is littered with injustice. The Roman civilisation brutally subjugated many races and is now remembered mostly for its feats of engineering its art and how it "advanced" civilisation. We dont ask for Germans, Japanese, Turks Italians etc to apologise for past wars every time we meet one. We recognise bad things were done but we have moved on. As long as aboriginals and their apologists waste time on trying to blame others for their predicament they will never move forward. Then again as long as you can find someone else to blame you don't have to take responsibility for yourself. I for one have my flag proudly flying outside my window remembering on this day how lucky I am to live in this country. If others want to live in the past or indulge in self flagulation do so but do it on another day.It wouldn't matter which day it was celebrated people like OR would still find a reason to complain. One must remember there was no Aboriginal Nation no common language( I believe there was over 140 languages spoken) No common agriculture and many intertribal wars, payback, theft/rape of women etc which had not made any visible sign of progress in thousands of years. It was not some common Utopia for all, destroyed by the white settlers. This does not excuse disposession but must be seen in the context of history. Im going for a beer to celebrate and F***k all you naysayers like OR.

We'll said ozthai ,I'm just gonna have another Chang, for the early settlers,
who shed blood sweat & tears to build that great Nation.

Originally Posted by ozthai

We dont ask for Germans, Japanese, Turks Italians etc to apologise for past wars every time we meet one

Ask the Koreans about Japan. . . or the Chinese

Originally Posted by ozthai

As long as aboriginals and their apologists waste time on trying to blame others for their predicament they will never move forward

Waste time . . . my apologies for that, but did I ask you to read my posts? Why do you feel like a victim and blame others for your predicament

Originally Posted by ozthai

Then again as long as you can find someone else to blame you don't have to take responsibility for yourself.

Hmm, I'll call bullshit on that . . .

Originally Posted by ozthai

If others want to live in the past or indulge in self flagulation do so but do it on another day

Why would you think you can tell others what to do and when? Is your colonialist mentality shining through again? (TiC)

Originally Posted by ozthai

It wouldn't matter which day it was celebrated people like OR would still find a reason to complain.

I'm complaining? Let me just take a wild guess and say that you have no idea what a discussion or debate is, rather find anything that opposes your point of view a 'complaint'.

Originally Posted by ozthai

One must remember there was no Aboriginal Nation no common language( I believe there was over 140 languages spoken)

Like India? China? Indonesia etc . . . So, you're saying that genocide is acceptable if it's only applied to tribes

Originally Posted by ozthai

No common agriculture

Important determinant, of course

Originally Posted by ozthai

It was not some common Utopia for all

Did I claim it was? Please do quote me

Originally Posted by ozthai

Im going for a beer to celebrate and F***k all you naysayers like OR.

Ah, an educated Aussie . . . drink up because that's is what you are good at

Originally Posted by peaches

the early settlers,
who shed blood sweat & tears to build that great Nation.

That they did . . . and the convicts,slaves, kanaks etc....

Have a good bludge on a Monday . . . the 27th . . . because that is what we do best

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Have a good bludge on a Monday . . . the 27th . . . because that is what we do best

OckerRocker, the man who drove _ _ _ de tractor

Originally Posted by Fondles

Why not the 18th of January when the first boat actually landed at Botany Bay.

Or the 7th of February when the formal proclamation was read.

Indeed, why not?

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Fondles

Why not the 18th of January when the first boat actually landed at Botany Bay.

Or the 7th of February when the formal proclamation was read.

Indeed, why not?

How would that make a difference?

Aborigines and PC angst ridden Whites will always associate any celebrations of the founding of "White" Australia with their conquest and the annexation of their land. It wouldn't make a difference what day we did it.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

you have no idea what a discussion or debate is, rather find anything that opposes your point of view a 'complaint'.

You're right. Anything that opposes your point of view and is too hard to deal with needs to be labelled 'incoherent'

Originally Posted by peaches

OckerRocker, the man who drove _ _ _ de tractor

Sorry, no idea what you're talking about

Originally Posted by peaches

Can you show me where I said that ?

For the edification of the readers, Off Your Rocker, YOU were the first one
to mention Aboriginals, YOU were one who stirred the pot.

If you get your quotes in order I may respond

Originally Posted by Necron99

Aborigines and PC angst ridden Whites

Necron, I am anything but 'angst-ridden' - I'm simply having a discussion, and not afraid of having that discussion - in contrast to those who respond with knee-jerk reactions and hyperbole

Irrespective of which, I hope you had a good Australia Day

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

you have no idea what a discussion or debate is, rather find anything that opposes your point of view a 'complaint'.

You're right. Anything that opposes your point of view and is too hard to deal with needs to be labelled 'incoherent'

Show me where I find 'anything' - meaning everything in this context - that opposes my point of view 'hard to deal with . . . and I doubt very much that I'd have anything you have to offer 'hard' . . . or even difficult, to deal with.

I've had this discussion with people far more eloquent and knowledgeable than you.

Necron, however, did make a point very early on which I hadn't considered and actually find it to have a certain amount of validity - where he mentioned that the 26th can also be seen as a reminder. Oh, and I posted this at the time as well

Damn, I guess there goes your theory about 'anything that opposes my view'.
Keep trying

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Show me where I find 'anything' - meaning everything in this context - that opposes my point of view 'hard to deal with . . . and I doubt very much that I'd have anything you have to offer 'hard' . . . or even difficult, to deal with.

Well, you conveniently dodge my point about aboriginals being the world's leading perpetrator of child sex abuse, and that it is ingrained in their culture.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

I've had this discussion with people far more eloquent and knowledgeable than you.

That's a bit pompous. I'm sorry, but if you're after eloquence, you are in the wrong place. Where is Tezza?

I'll put it to you again, hopefully this time you find it more coherent...

It's the 18th century. You stumble across an island taking up a significant portion the world's land mass. The place is entirely inhabitated by a primitive culture that routinely eats each other and sexually abuses children. What do you do?

Fast forward 200 years. Most of them were wiped out by disease. Some were shot for sport. We've admitted the error of our ways and publicly apologised. We've done everything from removing children from their toxic environment, to throwing money at them. They have managed to stop eating each other, but continue to abuse children at an astonishing rate. What do you do now?

Seeing as you want to g down this road now - I'd appreciate it if you could supply some statistics and sources for:

Originally Posted by 9999

aboriginals being the world's leading perpetrator of child sex abuse

. . . and the old chestnut of:

Originally Posted by 9999

culture that routinely eats each other

Thanks