Once great Britain- America's little drummer boy

**Boon Mee** · 02-09-2013, 09:31 AM

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Heh...fair enough but we just improved on most of them.

Talking about Tennis for example - did you see where one of those Amazon sisters (American) just won another championship?

**Morden** · 02-09-2013, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Heh...fair enough but we just improved on most of them.

Talking about Tennis for example - did you see where one of those Amazon sisters (American) just won another championship?

Changed a few to make them more dramatic but hardly improve most.

The US has a much bigger population than most other participating countries and should do well. Murray is getting on fine at the moment, isn't he?

I saw Billie Jean King on the box the other day. She had the reputation of having licked every women at Wimbledon. She did well in tennis too.

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by hazz

As marmight correctly pointed out many of the worlds most impotent technologies have started thier lives with brits, penicillin and mri scanner that saves your life, the magnatron that cooks your food, the packet switch that lead to the internet, http that enables this forum, the encryption that enables ecommerce, the processors that power your printer, scanner and phone.

I would like to agree with you unfortunately the transistor, integrated chip and microprocessor all are American inventions not British. The MRI scanner is also an American invention.

**Marmite the Dog** · 02-09-2013, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am very familiar with it living in Seattle

No bias there then.

The Dreamliner is majorly flawed - wait and see how long it'll be before the entire wiring loom is replaced with one that works.

The A380 works (apart from those Limey engines which now appears to have been properly fixed. You know the jet engines designed in The UK and stolen by the USSA).

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Morden

Football.

Called Soccer in America and played only by girls and homosexuals.

Originally Posted by Morden

Rugby - played in the US as American Football with players in armour and tea breaks every few seconds.

The two sports are nothing alike really. The contact in American football is far harder then in rugby. There are already major issues with concussions and paralysis in the American game due to the intensity of the contact. The NFL just settled a major lawsuit over this same issue.

**VocalNeal** · 02-09-2013, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Everyone with a sane mind knows where the worlds best aircraft technology comes from and it couldn't be farther from the UK.

I am sure your history is OK so you will know about the TSR2 and Avro Arrow. At that time the place farthest from the UK was so worried about the superior technology that they used guile and tactics to quash both programs. Smart you may say but not better technology.

To add to the list. I notice the rotor tips on all modern US military helicopters. Yes that came from...

The US Air Force is currently in a pickle because it chose the technologically superior Embraer Super Tucano for the Afghan Air Force and are now embroiled in a political situation because they didn't choose the Beechcraft AT-6, which at the time they made the decision had not even flow it's maiden flight.

Oh and to be fair French has some smart stuff as well.

.. and the list goes on...

New M1 tank uses armour originally fitted to the old model Challenger, because it was superior.

Maybe the reason for all this amnesia is because the Brits don't continually harp on about how good everything the do is? Agreed from an armaments point of view the US may have bought up the top British companies but that doesn't mean the technology is from the US!

**Morden** · 02-09-2013, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Morden

Football.

Called Soccer in America and played only by girls and homosexuals.

Originally Posted by Morden

Rugby - played in the US as American Football with players in armour and tea breaks every few seconds.

The two sports are nothing alike really. The contact in American football is far harder then in rugby. There are already major issues with concussions and paralysis in the American game do to the intensity of the contact. The NFL just settled a major lawsuit over this same issue.

I'm not surprised about football (soccer) in the US. You seem to have more than your fair share of unmanly types.

And what about the gun culture in American Football? A fine example to American youth.

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am very familiar with it living in Seattle

No bias there then.

The Dreamliner is majorly flawed - wait and see how long it'll be before the entire wiring loom is replaced with one that works.

The A380 works (apart from those Limey engines which now appears to have been properly fixed. You know the jet engines designed in The UK and stolen by the USSA).

I am sure you can back up your accusations with facts? No US jet engines are designed in the UK. NONE and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Some US jets are designed to use Rolls Royce engines as in the dreamliner which uses either the Rolls trent 1000 or the GE GEnx. BTW those RR engines have been plagued with troubles as well.

**Marmite the Dog** · 02-09-2013, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

No US jet engines are designed in the UK.

Jet engines are a British invention and another piece of technology that the US stole from them.

Is that simple enough for you to understand now?

**Boon Mee** · 02-09-2013, 10:43 AM

A somewhat little-known fact regarding aircraft - the Wright Brothers were not the first to fly but a Brazilian guy named Alberto Santos-Dumont.

The downtown airport there in Rio is named after him & quite a nice facility it is.

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Jet engines are a British invention

The Germans may disagree.

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Wright Brothers were not the first to fly but a Brazilian guy named Alberto Santos-Dumont.

Wrong!! They did it in 1903 he did it in 1906.

**Boon Mee** · 02-09-2013, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Wright Brothers were not the first to fly but a Brazilian guy named Alberto Santos-Dumont.

Wrong!! They did it in 1903 he did it in 1906.

You'll never convince the Brazilians of that.

"The image of the Wright Brothers as the first people to fly has gone around the world, but it wasn't documented," says Henrique Lins de Barros, a flight historian and author of the book, "Santos-Dumont and the Invention of Flight."

"Santos-Dumont's '14bis' managed to make a complete flight, taking off, flying, and landing without external assistance. The Wright Brothers didn't. Nationalism aside, I am a researcher and there is no controversy – Santos-Dumont was the first man to fly."

Read it all here

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Wright Brothers were not the first to fly but a Brazilian guy named Alberto Santos-Dumont.

Wrong!! They did it in 1903 he did it in 1906.

You'll never convince the Brazilians of that.

"The image of the Wright Brothers as the first people to fly has gone around the world, but it wasn't documented," says Henrique Lins de Barros, a flight historian and author of the book, "Santos-Dumont and the Invention of Flight."

"Santos-Dumont's '14bis' managed to make a complete flight, taking off, flying, and landing without external assistance. The Wright Brothers didn't. Nationalism aside, I am a researcher and there is no controversy – Santos-Dumont was the first man to fly."

Read it all here

Well they can tell themselves that all they want the fact is the Wright brothers had gotten airborne three times by then.

**Rainfall** · 02-09-2013, 12:18 PM

Jeez, all sorts of weird ideas floating around. Didn't the jokster in the white house even state "America invented the car"? Let's set the record for flights straight. First flight, the Montgolfieres, French, hot-air ballon. First plane, glider, Lilienthal, German. First powered flight, Ader, French. First rocket plane, Lippisch, German. First jet plane, Heinkel, German. Sorry guys, no Americans in it. And Boeing sucks, couple more years and it'll be a subsidiary of Airbus.

**Morden** · 02-09-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Jeez, all sorts of weird ideas floating around. Didn't the jokster in the white house even state "America invented the car"? Let's set the record for flights straight. First flight, the Montgolfieres, French, hot-air ballon. First plane, glider, Lilienthal, German. First powered flight, Ader, French. First rocket plane, Lippisch, German. First jet plane, Heinkel, German. Sorry guys, no Americans in it. And Boeing sucks, couple more years and it'll be a subsidiary of Airbus.

That would really screw up Airbus.

**bsnub** · 02-09-2013, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rainfall

And Boeing sucks, couple more years and it'll be a subsidiary of Airbus.

Just showed you are completely fucking clueless as to what you are talking about. If it wasn't for state subsidies airbus would have been gone long ago. Also Boeing has more orders and deliveries currently then airbus and is far more profitable.

Boeing to Airbus: We've Got You Boxed and Bracketed

If anything boeing will be buying out airbus.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

First powered flight, Ader, French.

A whole eight inches off the ground try again.

**Boon Mee** · 02-09-2013, 02:15 PM

Al Gore invented the internet. Don't believe that? Just ask him and then buy some of his carbon credits while yer at it!

**david44** · 02-09-2013, 02:42 PM

But didn't Algore Hiss invent smeg ad infinitum,nationalism the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Why would anyone bar xenophobes care the genetic profile of the developer of pieces of metal

**Marmite the Dog** · 02-09-2013, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Jet engines are a British invention

The Germans may disagree.

The jet engines that are used today are a direct result of the English jet engine (the one stolen by the Yanks).

**sabang** · 02-09-2013, 03:42 PM

I believe the abo's invented the worlds first rocket launcher, the woomera.

**Boon Mee** · 02-09-2013, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by david44

But didn't Algore Hiss invent smeg ad infinitum,nationalism the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Why would anyone bar xenophobes care the genetic profile of the developer of pieces of metal

Interesting you bring up Hiss for he is w/out a doubt the proof that McCarthy was correct in weeding out commies in government and Hollywood.

**Rainfall** · 02-09-2013, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Rainfall

And Boeing sucks, couple more years and it'll be a subsidiary of Airbus.

Just showed you are completely fucking clueless as to what you are talking about. If it wasn't for state subsidies airbus would have been gone long ago. Also Boeing has more orders and deliveries currently then airbus and is far more profitable.

Actually, Boeing wouldn't exist anymore w/o government subsidies, interventionism, and protectionism. I remember the case of the tanker planes for the USAF very clearly, only Airbus had competitive craft but just wouldn't get the order. Boeing aircraft are obsolete, uneconomical, and have a dismal safety record. Not to mention serious delays in delivery.

**barbaro** · 03-09-2013, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

..... The corporate execs are obsessed with eking out every dollar in profit. Parts that where manufactured in house have been outsourced case in point the batteries that are currently causing problems. You can bet if those batteries had been designed and manufactured in house that problem would never have even existed.

In the Seattletimes I read an article about every 6-8 weeks that engineering jobs will be eliminated and engineers in the South will be used.

Engineering and these other types of jobs are being sent to the cheaper non-union South, it seems. It seems to be done in small doses.

Or, perhaps I am wrong.

**hazz** · 03-09-2013, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by bsnub

I am very familiar with it living in Seattle

No bias there then.

The Dreamliner is majorly flawed - wait and see how long it'll be before the entire wiring loom is replaced with one that works.

The A380 works (apart from those Limey engines which now appears to have been properly fixed. You know the jet engines designed in The UK and stolen by the USSA).

I am sure you can back up your accusations with facts? No US jet engines are designed in the UK. NONE and I challenge you to prove otherwise. Some US jets are designed to use Rolls Royce engines as in the dreamliner which uses either the Rolls trent 1000 or the GE GEnx. BTW those RR engines have been plagued with troubles as well.

Well I guess that's correct after all a US jet engine designed in the UK would be a UK jet engine. I would have thought that was obvious. hoever the first working jet engine was prodcued in the UK, and to be honest dispite of the UK. Again its story is the story of world class minds being let down by medicorasy in managment and business.

As for the mri scanner you will find that the engineering for the mri scanners was founded by an American called paul Lauterbur and the mathematics by a brit called peter mansfield both of whom created the groundwork for the techology we have today.

I didn't claim the microprocessor is a brit invention, though I understand the programmable computer is. I did however claim the almost every phone, scanner and printer uses one of over 10 billion arm processors that have been manufactured. Its the worlds most popular 32bit processor and it can trace its heritage back to a BBC project to sponcer a simple, explainable and affordable home computer in the 1980's. A sprite another brit is trying to capture with the rasburyPI, the 25 pound computer.... it is no accident that it uses an arm processor and comes as an A and B model.

Mentioning the integrated cuicuit. Yes that is an American invention but two years before that happened. a brit called drummer from RSRE presented a paper at a conference which showed how a integrated cuicute could theortically be built 1952 and later developed a model for a flip flop he presented in 1957, very close the the that Kilby built and patented. Drummer never got the funding he needed to develop his ideas, but if he had..... now saying that he has never claimed to have invented the integrated circuit, nor am I, that is something he assigned to Robert Noyce; onm the basis that whilst he came second... he came second with a practical technology that is the basis of modern integrated circuits.

Bsub rember I am not claiming that brits invent everything. what I am saying is that we produce a disproportionate amount of quality engineering, science and art for the the size of the country and the funding we give it. Our univerities are paupers compared to their US cousins..... yet look how well they do in teaching and research rankings against them. In comparison to your country we get stunning value for money

even if you manage to fund more work then we do.

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