Roads Kill

**Neo** · 17-08-2013, 05:25 AM

An interactive map put together by some boffins to highlight differences in road accident fatalities around the world. Thailand is of course right up there with 38.1 fatalities per 100,000, only just pipped to the top spot by the Dominican Republic.
So nothing new, but the map is pretty.

Roads Kill Map | Pulitzer Center

More than 1.2 million are killed on the world’s roads each year—and that number is increasing rapidly. If nothing is done to reverse this trend, the annual death toll is on course to triple by 2030.

Roads Kill: The Menace of Traffic to Public Health | Pulitzer Center

**Hans Mann** · 17-08-2013, 08:45 AM

^^Great link, that one. Thanks.

**VocalNeal** · 17-08-2013, 09:39 AM

I can't see how "accidental" deaths are a menace to public health. Healthy people are still alive and dead people are dead.

Yet more "convenient" use of the English language.

I would say a the map shows developing affluence. Driving/riding habits are the same in Indonesia but they seem to have less than Thailand. Chinas number probably get diluted by the sheer number of people who still live relatively poorly.

**ltnt** · 17-08-2013, 09:48 AM

"Roads," Kill? not "Road kill."

If you take vehicles away from people would there be anything left to keep the population growth down?

If you are a Muslim would you be more concerned about getting killed by another Muslim or dieing in a road accident?

How many people die from "Car Jacking?"

If you die, does it matter how you die?

**kmart** · 17-08-2013, 10:17 AM

Thailand is the hub of road carnage. Hoorah!

**Marmite the Dog** · 17-08-2013, 11:01 AM

Nice map.

It neatly shows the difference between the civilised world (less than 10/100k) and the developing world (more than 10/100k).

**nigelandjan** · 17-08-2013, 12:09 PM

I,d go with ltnt on this one ,, uneducated drongo,s driving on the roads kill .

Roadwise , and Iv,e driven over a fair slab of it I would say Thailands roads in general are better than UK roads due to they're size and layout ,, I also like the fact in Thailand you can generally drive from A to B without going via C D E F + G because all the twatts in those areas have nailed up 7.5 ton weight restrictions for no reason other than they dont like lorries .

I havent driven in the Dominican but have been around it driven by others and its fair to say it was a fairly unpleasant hair raising experience .

But then TIT and despite all the maps and info nothing will change " cause thats the way we allways do it " etc

**alitongkat** · 17-08-2013, 12:14 PM

i would think a huge number of the fatal accidents are caused by the sucking medical care - at the street and in the hospital...

**bobforest** · 17-08-2013, 12:26 PM

Thanks for the link, Neo.

As well as being up there with the leaders in deaths per 100,000 population, Thailand is in the lead regarding % of deaths due to motorcycles - 73.5. A quick look at other countries showed that Cambodia was next with 66.6%.

It has long surprised me that those who I assume are responsible for the general health of Thai society and the individuals that constitute it (Ministry of Health, medical and hospital personnel, educational institutions, parents, police...) have not focused on motorcyclists as a relatively easy target to reduce the number of road deaths and injuires in the country. Every year, at New Year and Songkran, motorcyclists account for 80% of fatalities, and many of these are males aged between 16 and 25.

A concerted effort every day of every year in the areas of education, law enforcement, and road and vehicle maintenance should result in positive outcomes, but this effort must be preceded by a desire to solve the problem at all level of society.

I do not feel that this desire is present in Thailand.

bobforest

**Neo** · 17-08-2013, 01:57 PM

I was really surprised that Cambodia has such a low fatality rate in comparison to Thailand. 17.2/38.1. Not only did the driving attitude seem far more dangerous there, but the road conditions, signage and markings are definitely third world in comparison. Add to that the lack of paramedic and emergency services and hospitals outside of the capital, and Cambodia seems on the surface at least to be a far more dangerous place to drive.

**ltnt** · 17-08-2013, 02:19 PM

^Due to a shortage of those financially capable of ownership simply put. If they had a better financial life then they would have more vehicles in which to commit suicide in.

**khmen** · 17-08-2013, 02:20 PM

^^Maybe it's simply down to a lower percentage of the population owning motorised vehicles? Or, another factor may be that the poorer road conditions force people to drive more slowly?

I remember someone telling me that after some of the road improvements throughout Cambodia the accident rate is increasing as people can travelfaster.

Edit: Ltnt beat me to it!

**alitongkat** · 17-08-2013, 02:21 PM

personally, the most likely place to die in thailand is - imo - as a farang with a minor injury in a hospital...

**Neo** · 17-08-2013, 02:28 PM

#11 & #12

Indeed, increasing vehicle ownership outpacing driver skill, traffic controls and emergency services is a factor.
The study states that fatalities are set to increase as countries develop.
I think with Thailand as a case in point it shows that culture also has a major influence.

**ltnt** · 17-08-2013, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

The study states that fatalities are set to increase as countries develop.

Yet another brilliant "study," costing the taxpayers 2.5 million Euros for stating the obvious result of economic success.

Wonder why they don't do studies that ask a real question? Is this study required?

**Neo** · 17-08-2013, 05:25 PM

Please show me where it state that taxpayers paid 2.5 million Euros
...or go play with the traffic.

**Boon Mee** · 17-08-2013, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

personally, the most likely place to die in thailand is - imo - as a farang with a minor injury in a hospital...

Depends on the hospital I would reckon...

**Thormaturge** · 17-08-2013, 05:36 PM

Sweden at 3 per 100,000.

We should all drive Armoured Personnel Carriers.

**Spin** · 17-08-2013, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Iv,e driven over a fair slab of it I would say Thailands roads in general are better than UK roads due to they're size and layout

Are you on drugs?

**Marmite the Dog** · 17-08-2013, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Iv,e driven over a fair slab of it I would say Thailands roads in general are better than UK roads due to they're size and layout

Are you on drugs?

Maybe all the roads he drove on didn't have vehicles driving the wrong way or those utterly lethal U-turn on the major highways.

**Takeovers** · 18-08-2013, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by ltnt

^Due to a shortage of those financially capable of ownership simply put. If they had a better financial life then they would have more vehicles in which to commit suicide in.

It's not only about motor vehicles. I read, that Berlin had a higher rate of deadly accidents when traffic was horse and carriage. Horses are prone to panic attacks and get uncontrollable.

**nigelandjan** · 18-08-2013, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Spin

Are you on drugs?

No ,, and why would I be ? ask me to my face one day and you will find out ,, twat

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Maybe all the roads he drove on didn't have vehicles driving the wrong way or those utterly lethal U-turn on the major highways.

I am on about THE ROADS not the mongs driving on em ,, and yes I have encountered U turning wagon + drags at night + the no light tractors + the elephants with nothing more than the cd tied to the tail ,, my comment was about the ROADS

**Spin** · 18-08-2013, 08:58 AM

^ Are you threatening me?

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

the ROADS

As a casual holiday maker and not someone with nigh on 10 years driving experience here you are bound not to have the full story.

The physical road infrastructure in the UK is far superior to Thailand in many ways, saying otherwise simply makes people question your ability to pass useful opinion.

The UK road network is superb in comparison, all surfaces are properly constructed using state of the art materials, properly maintained and removed and replaced when worn out, the motorway network is superb, nearly fully illuminated and covers the entire country.

What does Thailand have? , near non-existant motorway network outside Bangkok and Chiang Mai. Cement surfaced tracks that are noisy, uneven, poorly maintained and offer poor dispersion of surface water in comparison the the blacktop used in the uk.

As I see it, at it's current rate of building out useful infrastructure, Thailands road network will not match the UK for another 50 years or so

**ltnt** · 18-08-2013, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Spin

What does Thailand have? , near non-existant motorway network outside Bangkok and Chiang Mai.

You obviously don't do much driving in Thailand outside of Bangkok and Chiang Mai.

I suppose I'll have to keep my hip boots on as your endless line of bullshit never seems to end.

**Boon Mee** · 18-08-2013, 09:08 AM

I've driven extensively throughout the UK and Thailand. My subjective analysis is I'll take the roads here (especially in Changwat Suphanburi) over the motorways in Blighty.

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