Are you unaware of the estimated 20 Million Mexicans illegally in the USA with no Visa whatsoever or the estimated 800 000 illegal immigrants in the UK with no valid Visa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
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Are you unaware of the estimated 20 Million Mexicans illegally in the USA with no Visa whatsoever or the estimated 800 000 illegal immigrants in the UK with no valid Visa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
In the case of tourists, the example you raised when you said that millions are entering the country and you cant imagine they all always register at the police station - my point is that they do not need to register there, as the hotels take care of registration. Which made your point of comparing your situation to all these millions, invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeTwo seperate things there .Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
I am saying that I have never been to register myself at a Police station and Im unaware that any places that I ve stayed have registered me , but they may have done so without my knowledge .
I have registered at hotels, but we are talking about registering at Police stations as well as at hotels
Tourists do not need to register at the police station, as their registration is already been taken care of.
You appearantly have to register yourself, as you dont stay in a hotel.
Come on Fluke, this is just standard procedure in many countries. Including TH, including the Netherlands, likely including your own country of birth as well.
No, I am staying within the law , there was no law saying how many consecutive 15 Visas you can have .Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
I have stayed within the law , you are staying that I should become a criminal by paying bribes .
Paying bribes to Police is a criminal offence in Thailand , having a vaild visa isnt an offence .
This is completely besides the point. These people are indeed staying illegal. Their host countries did in fact not allow them in. So they are illegal. With all problems associated with that, such as exploitation by employers, the ever existing risk of being caught and send back, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeAre you unaware of the estimated 20 Million Mexicans illegally in the USA with no Visa whatsoever or the estimated 800 000 illegal immigrants in the UK with no valid Visa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
They are illegal, and I fail to see how that relates to you, since you are telling me that you have entered the country legally.
So your argument seems completely besides the point.
I consider our case closed Fluke.
Think it's supposed to work this way, a hotel etc you register and they do the paper work for the law requirements. If you live in a private house you are supposed to inform the police of your address in Thailand.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeTwo seperate things there .Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
I am saying that I have never been to register myself at a Police station and Im unaware that any places that I ve stayed have registered me , but they may have done so without my knowledge .
I have registered at hotels, but we are talking about registering at Police stations as well as at hotels
Do many do it when visiting a friend, no, should they, yes. I don't even fill in the hotel registration when I go to town anymore. They just give me a key and I pay when I leave.
I'm not registered with the local cops and I don't live where I'm registered by the Amphor. Long story, but it's the way it's done and I just let the locals do as they see fit. Jim
Nobody bothers about visits of course although we are meant to report if away from home for 24 hours. But they do expect you to register your permanent address with immigration and when you move within 24 hours. I moved in April and had to take the wife and blue book to prove address. When I went again for an extension they asked me what date I had moved again. So it's not an unfollowed rule, in Bkk at least. Sure you do not have to bother, or lie, but then you would not be following the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeThat rule is so unfollowed , it can be considered as not a rule anymore .Quote:
Originally Posted by xanaxNot quite as you did not register the address you were living at did you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluke
How many people actually go and register with the Police when they visit
It doesnt matter whether the hotel registers them or whether they do it themselves personally , they still would need to be registered .Quote:
Originally Posted by WarriorIn the case of tourists, the example you raised when you said that millions are entering the country and you cant imagine they all always register at the police station - my point is that they do not need to register there, as the hotels take care of registration. Which made your point of comparing your situation to all these millions, invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeTwo seperate things there .Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
I am saying that I have never been to register myself at a Police station and Im unaware that any places that I ve stayed have registered me , but they may have done so without my knowledge .
I have registered at hotels, but we are talking about registering at Police stations as well as at hotels
Tourists do not need to register at the police station, as their registration is already been taken care of.
You appearantly have to register yourself, as you dont stay in a hotel.
Come on Fluke, this is just standard procedure in many countries. Including TH, including the Netherlands, likely including your own country of birth as well.
I dont believe that every hotel, motel, Guest house in Thailand could inform the local Police station of every new arrival every day .
I was replying to you question about whether Western Countries would allow visitors to exploit their immigration rules and I was giving you examples of how Western Countries allow visitors to exploit immigration rules .Quote:
Originally Posted by WarriorThis is completely besides the point. These people are indeed staying illegal. Their host countries did in fact not allow them in. So they are illegal. With all problems associated with that, such as exploitation by employers, the ever existing risk of being caught and send back, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeAre you unaware of the estimated 20 Million Mexicans illegally in the USA with no Visa whatsoever or the estimated 800 000 illegal immigrants in the UK with no valid Visa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior
They are illegal, and I fail to see how that relates to you, since you are telling me that you have entered the country legally.
So your argument seems completely besides the point.
I consider our case closed Fluke.
By not clamping down on illegal immigrants and deporting them , western Countries allow visitors to exploit the immigration rules
Cough-Cough......I have been in my place of registered residence all the time and just went to the Mountains for one day , so I wasnt required to register...........:)Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
Just seem this Someone earlier stated that Immigration officials can withdraw a visa any time they like for no reason.......the law actually says.....
Section 36 :
Where there is a proper reason , the Director General or the Immigration Commission shall
have power to revoke permission previously authoriz
ed the alien to stay temporary in the Kingdom ,
whether or not the Director General , or the offici
al deputized by the Director General , has granted such
permission.
In the case the Director General has ordered permission to be revoked , the alien whose
permission has been revoked may appeal such orders
to the Immigration Commission. Order of the
Immigration Commission will be final.
The appeal of the Director General’s order unde
r paragraph 2 of this Section shall be submitted
to the competent official within forty – eight hours fr
om the time of acknowledgement of such order from
the Director General and must be complied with from and fees as prescribed in the Ministerial
Regulations
Didn't say that you had to register, just that you didn't attend the Immigration Office to find out the result.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeCough-Cough......I have been in my place of registered residence all the time and just went to the Mountains for one day , so I wasnt required to register...........:)Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
They may have just forgotten the encounter or they could just flag you for suspicious movements, up to them. You won't know until you do a border run . then if you start getting the look you will know.
Thai way, don't disrespect Government Officials, you do so at your own peril.
There are laws and there are codes of conduct and the codes of conduct often out weight the laws.
If you have a Thai friend of standing, go to Immigration and sort it out. Couldn't watch the vid, nets to slow, but did they request you to attend the Immigration Office or instruct you to attend. Big difference, step carefully and don't dig holes. Jim
He is going Monday to get an extension. This will be the make or break day. Nothing, he was right. Something I hope he posts back.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollister
Is that her on your you tube channel falling of the bed while plastered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluke
Its next Monday that I need to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by aging one
Yjrn immigration man whom I had dealings with was from Chiang Mai and he suggested that I visit the chiang saen immi office , which is six hours away from CM.
It wasnt a direct order to attend CS immi , more of a face saving comeback when I refused to give him any money directly .
It was an off-hand "You have to go to CS immigration then, if you wont pay me"
No appointment was made and they wouldnt have been expecting me there.
They were just empty words by him .
I really dont think that anyone will be concerned about this episode, which in reality, is quite trivial , Im sure that everyone at Immi has more pressing things to deal with
Ill go "No comment" on that questionQuote:
Originally Posted by MeMockIs that her on your you tube channel falling of the bed while plastered?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluke
Even when right things can go wrong, spent near on a hour with what looked like a bunch of Generals staring at me, it was the lost passport and the computers where not working properly. They had to do the checks by phone, thought they were going to bring in the car battery for further interrogation, after 20 minutes or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by aging one
Checks all came back clear, lots of smiles and no problem.
You never know what a data base says and it only takes one person to enter something that raises alarm bells.
I have just found it easier here to go and see the people in charge, be it cops, immigration , local or bigger Government and sort it out before there is a problem. Jim
yup well summed up...being arrogant with any official in any country just asks for trouble..Hard to bite you're lip obviously but alienation will remain and can bite you in the arse. Better go kick the cat or rant on a forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamescollisterTotally agree, don't make waves, be seen, be polite and be safe. There are laws here never enforced, there are rules that Govern behavior that are not laws, but customs and they often dictate how you will be treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier
You as a farang will never know where in the pecking order you stand, some think they are high because of money, but are in fact are tolerated and nothing more. Others will have earned a certain amount of status by their actions or interactions.
Think people would be surprised at how often a cop or other Government official will phone a friend or a counter part and ask about a farang.
Always reminds me of something that happened many years ago. The guy who acted as my cousin for our wedding was elected as sub district Governor, we were having lunch in town for his birthday. It was attended by the District and Vice Governor, local police Chief and other notables. During the meal I ran out of cigarettes, the sub Gov gave me his car keys to go get some smokes. I was stopped by a young cop. All I had was a few Baht for cigs, no license or ID and not my car.
Young cop followed me back to the restaurant, no doubt to extract some money.
When he entered, his police career had come to an end, the people at the table had lost face with a guest and the young cop would have been on his way to Yala.
I am an ex cop and through the wife said the guy is only doing his job and he was right to come and check me out. No face was lost, all were happy.
I see that cop sometimes at the road block as I take the kids to school in town, he has 8 years more rank now. Last year I was stopped no safety belt, cop was going to book me. He walked over smiled and waved me through. Jim
Met a new police chief in local noodle shop some years back..invited me to a resort for his welcome party...did not want go but wife said "very ugly you not go".
Anyways went and he gave me his card "....if I ever have any problems"
Always get a smile and nod from local police now..but they still fine the unlicensed wife on her unregistered bike ............ no helmet 100bt ...lol
I can see Fluke ending up face down in a khlong somewhere soon with a big hole in his head
I flash my teacher's license card any and every time I'm asked for ID, except when at Immigration. Never carry my passport or a copy, don't reach for the driver license. It stops any shadiness from cops, other government offices and whatnot dead in its tracks. Instant respect. Mine's real, but I'd seriously suggest getting a fake one, OP. Wouldn't be difficult to forge at all, and worth its weight in gold.
I gotta ask; how do you "sheep-like-sock-puppet-wanna-b-thai-foreigners" manage to live here without a frickin' spine? The incessant "we must walk on eggshells", "we must not upset the thais" is as pathetic as the "we are guests here" line of bullshit. The "we are not thai", "this is their country" attitude is what allows these people to continue to act like their shit doesn't stink or like they don't sit to shit the same as everyone else. All the steppin'-n-fetchin' foreigners living here seem to do and to advocate is just down right pathetic. Christ how did all you manage to live so long being so fucking pansy-assed? If you have a valid stamp to be here, whether it's a visa exempt, a tourist visa or a yearly extension of stay, for christ sakes act like you're allowed to be here!
"Fluke" follows the visa laws as they are written. That they are written so poorly and worded so ambiguously that there's a loophole where a person can come back repeatedly on a 15 day visa exempt entry is not "Fluke's" fault. It's the thais fault. That there is no "real rule" written saying how many times back to back you can do this, is again the thais fault NOT the person who is following the poorly written rules. Why should he be "called on the carpet" for following the rules as they're written?
Unfortunately the video was taken down, but I'd sure like to see it. If I had to weigh in I'd trust "taxexile" translations.. I'd hafta see the video because in Thai context is everything and depending on what's goin' on, how things are phrased, a sentence can warp meaning quite a bit.. Still it sounds as though it was a "close scrutiny" of a foreigner who is totally legal and allowed to be here. I'd bet once they saw all the 15 day visa exempt stamps they went on a "fishing expedition" to see how gullible "Fluke" was. I wouldn't waste another second worrying about it, nor would I "run to immigrations" to see if there was a problem, no matter what they “suggested” you do..
Most of the "we're gonna get your information on the computer and cause a problem for you at the border blah-blah-blah" is total bullshit. I can't even count the number of times foreigners have come to the Police Station where I volunteer and asked to see if they're on some mythical "watch list" or black listed. Usually because they had a run in with some thai or another (even thais in uniform) who threatened them with some nonsense like that.
As I said, I'd sure like to see the video myself, but it's probably best the O/P pulled it.. In my experience thais are a pretty vindictive, petty, back-biting, narrow minded race o' people.
I think it's much ado about nothing. It sure brought out the “foreign sheep-like-sock-puppet” brigade...
5555+!! That's a funny line from "gaysexbyproxy"; "I flash my teacher's license card any and every time I'm asked for ID".. Hanging around the wrong areas, with the wrong people, at the wrong times are you? Sure glad your 'teacher's license" is real, and that you're proud to beat the drum you have one. However urging people to get a fake one crosses the line of common sense, especially coming from someone who alleges to be a 'teacher'. Getting a “real” Thai driver's licenses might possibly be a better choice than getting a “fake” teacher’s license..
Thanks .
If you want to see the video, Ill upload it and PM you a link, then Ill delete it again afterwards .
You sure about that Fluke
I wouldnt trust any of those cock sucking Police volunteersQuote:
Originally Posted by toddaniels
Its like a Thai going to the U.K. and getting mugged and happily handing over his money and then saying "Well, its all part of U.K. culture and Ill contently get mugged , because thats what happens in the UK"
Yes, I have nothing to hide .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillinger
So why did you take it down then ?
Now you're gonna give it to some volunteer Tourist Cop who does that job not for money but :
Good luck with that:)Quote:
to make a LOT of friends with all ranks of Police from the various districts