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    Look what I've got.

    Just as a matter of interest, maybe you've got something interesting to show as well.
    A recent post about the Dutch reform church in Indonesia reminded me of this which I came into posession of (passed down through the family).
    My Father was born in Indonesia and they had to leave after the war being the defeated colonial power.
    Anyway, I thought you all might be interested.
    There are 3 dates on it, 2 printed inside and one on the clasp, I'm not sure the significance of any of them.
    I assume this belonged to my great grandmother, Wilhelmina Houweninge.

    It's an old Dutch Bible written in ye olde Dutch. (so I am toldeth)

    Not in Very good shape I'm afraid.

















    One date here, 1779




    Another here, 1774



    This is inside, perhaps a bookmark.





    Someone pressed a leaf a long time ago.




    This was also inside.




    Here's another date on the clasp, 1834. As my great grandmother, who I suspect this came from, graduated in 1885 I assume she wasn't the original owner, perhaps her mother gave it to her in 1834.




    The other clasp had the intials D and either W or H , not sure.


    My great grandmother Wilhelmina Houweninge (Nee Pflughaupt)

    Her School leaving certificate.



    Her great great grand daughter, and my assistant.


    Some of you may find it interesting, if not, .

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    That's pretty neat, Koj.

    This climate isn't the best for keeping books intact.

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    You wouldnt want many of them in your suitcase before they wanted you to cough for extra weight !

    Is that silver on the case ?

    BTW I have some odd bits I will take pics of a bit later to add , theyre in the bedroom and the missus is still akip
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    Very interesting.

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    Yeah, very nice, Dawg...

    I especially like the pressed leaf and bookmark in the bible...They give you a sense of being closer to the past readers...

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    Lovely...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
    That's pretty neat, Koj.

    This climate isn't the best for keeping books intact.
    No, I keep it wrapped in tissue with silicon gel packs and wrapped in a cloth bag to try and keep it dry, in a room that has either the aircon or dehumidifier running in humid times.the humidity here has to be experienced to be believed
    yes NJ, that's silver.

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    Seriously awesome treasure mate.

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    Great stuff, I love old treasures.

    I'd look at taking it to an antique book restorer and then also ask for the best advice for storing it properly. Silca packs just may not cut it. (Or might be fine)

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    Methinks that should be stored somewhere very secure as I have a feeling it could be worth a lot more than you may think it is !

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    Good post Koojo!

    Did you know, by the way, that that bible in that condition is selling for....wait for it....80 bucks.

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    P is right, old Bibles are virtually worthless but as family treasures priceless

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Good post Koojo!

    Did you know, by the way, that that bible in that condition is selling for....wait for it....80 bucks.
    Yes, about that.

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    Interesting stuff Koojo.

    Have you tried tracing your family tree back ? If so how far did you get.

    I found out from my brother the other night that I come from a line of Welsh sheepshaggers . I'm sure he said he traced back to the 1500's

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    Quote Originally Posted by xanax View Post
    P is right, old Bibles are virtually worthless but as family treasures priceless
    Psycoweirdo is right about something?
    That is tangible proof that certainties do not exist and there are always anomalys to the rule .
    I now believe that peace in the Middle East is possible

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    Good thread Koojo,

    btw, your assistant is a real cutie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve down under View Post
    Methinks that should be stored somewhere very secure as I have a feeling it could be worth a lot more than you may think it is !
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Good post Koojo!

    Did you know, by the way, that that bible in that condition is selling for....wait for it....80 bucks.

    possibly a tad more than 80

    Antique Dutch Family Bibles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Interesting stuff Koojo.

    Have you tried tracing your family tree back ? If so how far did you get.

    I found out from my brother the other night that I come from a line of Welsh sheepshaggers . I'm sure he said he traced back to the 1500's
    Back to the 1755 for this branch..

    This family of skippers and sailors originates from Oude Pekela, province of Groningen, The Netherlands.
    The earliest known ancestor is Derk xxxxxx. His son Tjebbe Derks is the first one who appears in the official
    documents with the surname xxxxxxxx.
    I. Derk Tjebbes, skipper; m. Thabbe Jans. Their son:
    II. Tjebbe Derks xxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1755, d. Oude Pekela
    11 Feb 1845, skipper; m. Oude Pekela 17 Dec 1782 Engeltje
    Derks Hesseling, b. 1763, d. Oude Pekela 12 May 1828. Their
    children:
    1. Derk Tjebbes xxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 21 Sep 1783, d. Oude
    Pekela 8 Jan 1868, skipper; m. Oude Pekela 24 Dec 1816 Aike
    IJzebrands Klatter, b. Oude Pekela 7 Feb 1794, dau. of
    IJzebrand Hindriks Klatter and Aaltje Remkes.
    2. Jans Tjebbes xxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1 Oct 1786, seaman;
    m. Oude Pekela 9 Dec 1815 Aafien Johannes Kok, b. Nieuwe
    Pekela 22 Nov 1794, dau. of Johannes Harms Kok and
    Debora Andries Kroon.
    3. Tjebbedina Tjebbes xxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1790; m. 1.
    Ooststellingwerf 28 Aug 1820 Johannes Lambertus
    Tuinhout, b. Franeker 1786, son of Hayo Tuinhout and
    Rosetta Geertruida van Rossum; m. 2 Kollumerland c.a. 28
    Feb 1833 Sjoerd Wybes Wiersma, b. Kollum 1799, son of
    Wybe Sjoerds Wiersma and Marijke Gerryts.
    4. Harm, see III.
    5. Derk Hesseling xxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 18 Nov 1798,
    skipper; m. Oude Pekela 17 Dec 1822 Geesje Jans Middel, b.
    Oude Pekela 27 Mar 1800, dau. of Jan Jans Middel, skipper,
    and Wietske Tiemens.
    III. Harm Tjebbes xxxxxx, bapt. Oude Pekela 2 Dec 1792, d.
    Oude Pekela 6 Oct 1843, skipper, capitain-seaman; m. Oude
    Pekela 3 Jan 1818 Jantje Israel Vos, bapt. Oude Pekela 17 Oct
    1794, d. Oude Pekela 8 Jun 1864, dau. of Israėl Jans Vos, skipper,
    and Ettje Geerts Boskop. Their children:
    1. Engelina xxxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1819; m. Oude Pekela 29
    Oct 1851 Jan Trop Klein, b. Nieuwe Pekela 1815, skipper,
    son of Christiaan Klein and Tallegien Tebbes.
    2. Ettje xxxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1823, d. Oude Pekela 26 Feb
    1883; m. Sebe Braamhorst, d. bef. 1883.
    3. Israel xxxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1825, d. Zuidlaren 29 Nov
    1897, first captain of a ship, later (in 1897) day laborer; m.
    Delfzijl 28 Dec 1855 Bouwina Mensinga, b. Farmsum 1836,
    d. aft. 1897, dau. of Albert Geerts Mensinga, farmer, and
    Geertje Jans Smit.
    4. Tjebbo, see IV.
    5. Jan xxxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1833, d. Nieuwe Pekela 26 Oct
    1907, skipper; m. Nieuwe Pekela 10 Feb 1859 Jantje
    Oldenburger, b. Nieuwe Pekela 1835, d. bef. 1907, dau. of
    Egbert Hindriks Oldenburger, skipper, and Jaapien Derks
    Kramer.
    6. Harm xxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1837, d. Oude Pekela 19 Apr
    1893, gold- and silversmith; m. Oude Pekela 9 May 1867
    Alida Hinderika Kuiper, b. Leer (Germany) 1842, d. aft.
    1893, dau. of Hendrik Willems Kuiper, shipbuilder, and
    Rikste Geerds Tromkes.
    IV. Tjebbo xxxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 8 Oct 1828, d. Gorinchem 20
    Aug 1918, skipper and captain of a ship; m. Oude Pekela 17 Aug
    1854 Helena Wijkmeijer, b. Oude Pekela 1833, dau. of Klaas
    Klaassens Wijkmeijer and Geessina Derks Greeven. Their
    children:
    1. Harme Tjebbo xxxxxxx, , b. Oude Pekela Jul 1855, d.
    Purmerend (on board of the ship Helena).
    2. Klaas xxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela Nov 1856, d. Oude Pekela 17
    Jan 1857.
    3. Harm, see V.
    4. Geessina xxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1863, d. Oude Pekela 23
    Oct 1864.
    5. Jantje xxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1865; m. Nieuwe Pekela 27
    Jun 1890 Eppo Venekamp, b. Beerta 1861, secretary of the
    municipality of Nieuwe Pekela, son of Hindrik Venekamp,
    brewer, and Anje Kuiper.
    6. Geessina xxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1867, d. Velp (Gelderland)
    30 Dec 1946.
    7. Klaas xxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1869, d. Oude Pekela 7 Mar
    1942, tobacconist; m. Winschoten 4 Sep 1901 Helena
    Oosterhuis, b. Oude Pekela 1876, d. bef. 1942, dau. of
    Hendrik Jan Oosterhuis and Pietertje Wever.
    8. A son, stillborn Oude Pekela 25 Oct 1873.
    V. Harm xxxxxxxxxx, b. Oude Pekela 1 Jan 1858, d. Voorburg 4 Feb
    1945, civil servant in 1887, later harbour master; m. Nieuwe
    Pekela 31 Mar 1887 Geessina Strobos, b. Nieuwe Pekela 23 Aug
    1857, d. Voorburg 12 Nov 1941, dau. of Hendrik Strobos and
    Sina Witkop. Their children:
    1. Pieter xxxxxxxx, b. Paramaribo (Suriname) 17 May 1898,
    executed by the Japanese Tarakan (Borneo) 12 Feb 1942,
    buried in Soerabaya War Cemetery, harbour master and
    lieutenant of the Royal Dutch Navy in Tarakan.
    2. Tjebbo, see VI.
    VI. Tjebbo xxxxxxx, (My Grandfather)b. Fort Nieuw-Amsterdam (Suriname) 25
    Nov 1902, d. Heiloo 13 Oct 1978, teacher of gymnastics,
    reserve-1st lieutenant Royal Dutch Indies Army (KNIL); m. The
    Hague 14 May 1929 Catharina Elisabeth van Houweninge, b.
    The Hague 5 Jul 1897, d. 1991, dau. of Jan Ary van
    Houweninge, florist, and Wilhelmina Johanna Pflughaupt.


    Thats my grandathers side, my Grandmothers side, the Houweninges, where the bible originated, is quite interesting. as well and I can trace that back to 1560(?)
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    Johannes Pieterse van Houweningen (1585-1630) » Stamboom Driessen » Genealogie Online

    Here is my fathers father, and his father and mother in Suriname. 1910



    Here's my Father with his parents, Oma and Opa. It would have been Oma gave him the Bible I'm guessing. She a respectable educated woman of a fine family came out to the east with my grandfather who was born in Suriname. South America to a family of seafaring adventurers.



    Opa at work. (Standing, left. )

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    Koojo - what a cracker of a gift to pass on though - don't let the little lady lose on it with crayons though lol


    As an aside,

    Dear moderators - cordially drawing attention to another case of flake following around the forum, trolling me, and well..hmm what to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Psycoweirdo is right about something?
    That is tangible proof that certainties do not exist and there are always anomalys to the rule .
    I now believe that peace in the Middle East is possible

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    OK, Psycho, you crying to the Mods again .
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    Interesting thread Koojo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Some of you may find it interesting, if not, .
    Excellent and absolutely! I have an old bible (177* - can't remember), with ivory cladding and colour drawings in German . . . not too difficult to read the oude nederlands if you try to get your head around it.

    Thank you for sharing

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    No, not difficult to read, not at all....

    The "D.W" initials might be the initials of the silver smith... you see that more often on old bibles/books with clasps.



    Part of a map from the centre of the 'Pekelvenen', the area that later would become Oude Pekela and Nieuwe Pekela. 1647

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    Koojo... that is an amazing family heirloom. Please take the most care possible of it, even if it means shipping it to Europe to specialsed storage.

    Please ignore those who put a price on your Bible.... there are always those who know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Then there are the Americans whose history would not be long enough to create a culture on a yoghurt!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gipsy
    No, not difficult to read, not at all....
    My dear Gran taught me to read old German just for fun . . . and there are only a few letters that are written differently. Dutch, being a German dialect, isn't much different.

    True that

    I have some handwritten letters from the 17th and 18th centuries between a woman, written by a monk, and a nobleman. Cursive can be difficult at times

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