Thread: Question

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

I carry my work permit with me every day as from the first time the labor deparment told me it is my work permit don't give to any won.

Me too

Won ?

so you are a teacher

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Fondle you don't have to leave you need to have enough days on your visa left.
I know they say this every where you read that you have to leave Thailand to get a Non B.
You can do it we you flight into Thailand you get fill in your TM card 30 day T/V then you need all the paper work from the company or school that will employe you & to log this as long as you have more that 15 days left on your Tourist Visa.
There are may thing they say you can not do, A good Lawyer can do this for you as they know the Immigration Laws.
Many things they say but are not true.
You can not start a new job on your work permit. You can with the right paper work. ( 1 thing don't let any person or company to look after your work permit)
As if the Company that you work for are holding your work permit ask for it before you quit.
When you quit you have 14 day in which to return your work permit.( in this time you can get a transfer to a new Company if you have all the right paper work)
Also you can have more that 1 Company on your work permit.
As I worked for 2 companies at the same time.

PS If you would like my lawyers hone number PM me

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I did it. I was offered a job while I still had a 30 day visa-exempt stamp. I went to Penang for a tourist visa, went back to Bangkok and changed it for a non-imm B. Whole thing was absolutely straightforward. A number of my friends and colleagues have also done the same.

BTW, WPs are required by law to be kept at your place of work. It states this on the WP itself. Most companies don't insist but the law does require it.


My 12 years working in Thailand with a non-imm B issued in Suan Plu and converted from a Tourist Visa issued in Penang prove you wrong.

So your 12 years working here is the proof you provide........



Whats the lawyer for ?

What lawyer?

And yes, I worked in Thailand for 12 years with a non-imm B which I got in Bangkok based on my Tourist Visa from Penang. What's your problem with that? Are you yet another of those sad people unable to admit that they're wrong?

This is a forum for Expats and wannabe expats - information provided on here should be accurate. Many, many people have converted Tourist Visas into non-imm B and non-imm O visas in country. It's a standardised procedure.

The lawyer you offer to give me his number in post #5, his hone number infact.

No Iam not a sad person who will not admit Iam wrong......... you are wrong....ok maybe 12 years ago that's the way it was done but not anymore.

Post #5 wasn't made by me. And yes, it's still done that way - the person who replaced me in my Thai job did the same thing, that was in March this year.

I apologise Bob, I thought I was replying to Ratchburi.

I still stand by my claims they will not issue a Non Immigrant B visa in country.

Would be happy to be proven wrong though.

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

I carry my work permit with me every day as from the first time the labor deparment told me it is my work permit don't give to any won.

Me too

Won ?

so you are a teacher

Sadly Iam not, Iam one (won) of those plebs that work a real job earning real money...... someone alluded to the fact you was a tefler though, hows that working out for you ?

Thank Fondles the Teacher, you work for a company OK I don't.

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Fondle you don't have to leave you need to have enough days on your visa left.
I know they say this every where you read that you have to leave Thailand to get a Non B.
You can do it we you flight into Thailand you get fill in your TM card 30 day T/V then you need all the paper work from the company or school that will employe you & to log this as long as you have more that 15 days left on your Tourist Visa.
There are may thing they say you can not do, A good Lawyer can do this for you as they know the Immigration Laws.
Many things they say but are not true.
You can not start a new job on your work permit. You can with the right paper work. ( 1 thing don't let any person or company to look after your work permit)
As if the Company that you work for are holding your work permit ask for it before you quit.
When you quit you have 14 day in which to return your work permit.( in this time you can get a transfer to a new Company if you have all the right paper work)
Also you can have more that 1 Company on your work permit.
As I worked for 2 companies at the same time.

PS If you would like my lawyers hone number PM me

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Fondles

So your 12 years working here is the proof you provide........



Whats the lawyer for ?

What lawyer?

And yes, I worked in Thailand for 12 years with a non-imm B which I got in Bangkok based on my Tourist Visa from Penang. What's your problem with that? Are you yet another of those sad people unable to admit that they're wrong?

This is a forum for Expats and wannabe expats - information provided on here should be accurate. Many, many people have converted Tourist Visas into non-imm B and non-imm O visas in country. It's a standardised procedure.

The lawyer you offer to give me his number in post #5, his hone number infact.

No Iam not a sad person who will not admit Iam wrong......... you are wrong....ok maybe 12 years ago that's the way it was done but not anymore.

Post #5 wasn't made by me. And yes, it's still done that way - the person who replaced me in my Thai job did the same thing, that was in March this year.

I apologise Bob, I thought I was replying to Ratchburi.

I still stand by my claims they will not issue a Non Immigrant B visa in country.

Would be happy to be proven wrong though.

No problem about the reply, these nested quotes are a bugger.

From the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs Website

3.3 Foreign citizens who hold a Transit Visa (“TS”) or Tourist Visa
(“TR”) and wish to engage in business activities in Thailand may apply for a change of type of visa (e.g., from Tourist Visa to Non-Immigrant Visa) at the Office of the Immigration Bureau Office located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889, www.immigration.go.th. The granting of change of type of visa and extension of stay is at the discretion of the immigration officer.

Thailand's Visa Information : Non-Immigrant Visa "B" (for Business and Work) - Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Thailand

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Thank Fondles the Teacher, you work for a company OK I don't.

As long as your comfortable with your lawyer doing the dodgy so you do not have to leave the country more power to you, wish the company I work for would be willing "to grease the wheels" as well, which amuses me as I thought BOI companies had "leeway" when it comes to visa's and work permits for their employee's ?

Maybe that is it BOI, as I have a partnership wth Thai Company Co Ltd
You still have not shown me where I posted you can transfer a T/V to NonB

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Maybe that is it BOI, as I have a partnership wth Thai Company Co Ltd
You still have not shown me where I posted you can transfer a T/V to NonB

BOI companies have a lot more leeway than a LTD company.

You keep implying you need atleast 15 days on your TV to get a non B without leaving the country (Which you cannot get in country).

What was the lawyer for if it is merely a paperwork process that can be done in country, a question you seem to blank even though you offer me his home number to confirm your story.

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Maybe that is it BOI, as I have a partnership wth Thai Company Co Ltd
You still have not shown me where I posted you can transfer a T/V to NonB

BOI companies have a lot more leeway than a LTD company.

You keep implying you need atleast 15 days on your TV to get a non B without leaving the country (Which you cannot get in country).

For God's sake! One more time;

From the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs Website

3.3 Foreign citizens who hold a Transit Visa (“TS”) or Tourist Visa
(“TR”) and wish to engage in business activities in Thailand may apply for a change of type of visa (e.g., from Tourist Visa to Non-Immigrant Visa) at the Office of the Immigration Bureau Office located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889, www.immigration.go.th. The granting of change of type of visa and extension of stay is at the discretion of the immigration officer.

Thailand's Visa Information : Non-Immigrant Visa "B" (for Business and Work) - Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Thailand

And it's 21 days, not 15.

Sorry Dr Bob All I know that if you did a border run you would get 15 day & they told me you need more days.
Why a lawyer was used as at the time we set up Co Ltd

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Sorry Dr Bob All I know that if you did a border run you would get 15 day & they told me you need more days.
Why a lawyer was used as at the time we set up Co Ltd

15 days is not a Tourist visa. It's not a visa at all. It's a visa exemption.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Maybe that is it BOI, as I have a partnership wth Thai Company Co Ltd
You still have not shown me where I posted you can transfer a T/V to NonB

BOI companies have a lot more leeway than a LTD company.

You keep implying you need atleast 15 days on your TV to get a non B without leaving the country (Which you cannot get in country).

For God's sake! One more time;

From the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs Website

3.3 Foreign citizens who hold a Transit Visa (“TS”) or Tourist Visa
(“TR”) and wish to engage in business activities in Thailand may apply for a change of type of visa (e.g., from Tourist Visa to Non-Immigrant Visa) at the Office of the Immigration Bureau Office located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889, www.immigration.go.th. The granting of change of type of visa and extension of stay is at the discretion of the immigration officer.

Thailand's Visa Information : Non-Immigrant Visa "B" (for Business and Work) - Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Thailand

And it's 21 days, not 15.

"At the discretion of the immigration officer"............

Thanks for proving my point Bob.

I guess Ratchaburi used the lawyer to "sway" the discretion of the immigration lawyer.

Discretion is not law........... I advise the OP to suggest he tells his friend to look outside of Thailand for a non immigrant B visa, unless of course he grabs the "hone" number of Ratch's lawyer.

Still not sure why a lawyer is need to obtain a visa?

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Maybe that is it BOI, as I have a partnership wth Thai Company Co Ltd
You still have not shown me where I posted you can transfer a T/V to NonB

BOI companies have a lot more leeway than a LTD company.

You keep implying you need atleast 15 days on your TV to get a non B without leaving the country (Which you cannot get in country).

For God's sake! One more time;

From the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs Website

3.3 Foreign citizens who hold a Transit Visa (“TS”) or Tourist Visa
(“TR”) and wish to engage in business activities in Thailand may apply for a change of type of visa (e.g., from Tourist Visa to Non-Immigrant Visa) at the Office of the Immigration Bureau Office located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889, www.immigration.go.th. The granting of change of type of visa and extension of stay is at the discretion of the immigration officer.

Thailand's Visa Information : Non-Immigrant Visa "B" (for Business and Work) - Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Thailand

And it's 21 days, not 15.

"At the discretion of the immigration officer"............

Thanks for proving my point Bob.

Any immigration decision is at the discretion of the immigration officer, any at all.

Your point is not proven. You were both incorrect.

It IS possible for a TR Visa to be changed for a non-imm visa. Anybody who says differently is incorrect.

Fondles you have not answered my question, look like to prove people wrong.
Where did I post that you can transfer aTV for Non B.


Come on big guy show me

Great find Dr Bob this is from the link you posted

http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/123/15388-Non-Immigrant-Visa-%22B%22-%28for-Business-and.html

fondles work your way down to 3.3

Non-Immigrant Visa “B” - (business and work)
1. Visa Issuance

1.1 Foreigners who wish to work, conduct business or undertake investment activities in Thailand must apply for a Non-Immigrant Visa at the Royal Thai Embassies or Royal Thai Consulates-General. Various categories of the Non-Immigrant Visa are currently provided to meet the needs and qualifications of individual business persons. These include business visa Category “B”, business-approved visa Category “B-A” and investment and business visa Category “IB”. Holder of this type of visa wishing to work in Thailand must be granted a work permit before starting work. The visa fee is 2,000 Baht for single-entry with three-month validity and 5,000 Baht for multiple entries with one-year validity.
1.2 Nationals of certain countries are required to apply for a visa only at the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General in their home/residence country or at the designated Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General. Travellers are advised to contact the nearest Royal Thai Embassy or Consulate-General to find out where they may apply for a visa to Thailand before departure. For more information on contact details and locations of the Royal Thai Embassies and Royal Thai Consulates-General, see www.mfa.go.th/web/10.php.
2. Application for Visa
2.1 Non-Immigrant Visa Category “B” (Business Visa) is issued to applicants who wish to enter the Kingdom to work or to conduct business.
(1) Foreigners who wish to work in Thailand must provide the following documents:
- Passport or travel document with validity of not less than 6 months.
- Completed visa application form.
- Recent passport-sized photograph (4 x 6 cm) of the applicant taken within the past 6 months.
- Evidence of adequate finance (20,000 Baht per person and 40,000 Baht per family).
- Letter of approval from the Ministry of Labour. To obtain this letter, the applicant’s prospective employer in Thailand is required to submit Form WP3 at the Office of Foreign Workers Administration, Department of Employment, Ministry of Labour Tel. 02-2452745, or at the Provincial Employment Office in his or her respective province. More information is available at www.doe.go.th/workpermit/index.html
- Copy of Work Permit issued by the Ministry of Labour and alien income tax or Por Ngor Dor 91 (only in the case where applicant has previously worked in Thailand).
- Corporate documents of hiring company in Thailand such as:
1) business registration and business license
2) list of shareholders
3) company profile
4) details of business operation
5) list of foreign workers stating names, nationalities and positions
6) map indicating location of the company
7) balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30 of the latest year)
8) value-added tax registration (Por Por 20)
- Document indicating the number of foreign tourists (for tourism business only), or document indicating export transactions issued by banks (for export business only).
N.B.
- An alien who receives a Non-Immigrant visa can work in Thailand once he or she is being granted a work permit. An alien in violation of the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 (1979) concerning taking up employment without work permit or the Royal Decree B.E. 2522 (1979) concerning holding employment in certain restricted occupations and professions shall be prosecuted and imprisoned or fined, or shall face both penalties.
- It is recommended that the applicant should apply for visa at the Thai Embassy/ Consulate in the country where he/she has the residence
(2) Foreigners who wish to conduct business in Thailand must provide the following documents:
- Passport or travel document with a validity of not less than 6 months.
- Completed application form.
- Recent passport-sized photograph (4 x 6 cm) photograph of the applicant taken within the past 6 months.
- Evidence of adequate finance (20,000 Baht per person and 40,000 Baht per family) for the duration of stay in Thailand
- Letter from the applicant’s company indicating the applicant’s position, length of employment, salary and purpose of visit(s) to Thailand.
- Documents showing correspondence with business partners in Thailand.
- Evidence of financial status in the case where the applicant is self-employed.
- Letter of invitation from trading or associated partners/companies in Thailand.
- Corporate documents of associated partners/companies in Thailand such as:
1) business registration and business license
2) list of shareholders
3) company profile
4) details of business operation
5) map indicating location of the company
6) balance sheet, statement of Income Tax and Business Tax (Por
Ngor Dor 50 and Por Ngor Dor 30) of the latest year
7) value-added tax registration (Por Por 20)
(3) Copies of company documents must be signed by the Board of Directors or authorised managing director and affix seal of company.
(4) Additional documents may be requested as and when necessary. In the absence of a required document, applicant must provide a letter explaining the unavailability of such document. Applicant must endorse on each and every page of the submitted copies of documentation. Documents in foreign languages must be translated into Thai and should be notorised by notary organs or by the applicant’s diplomatic or consular mission.
(5) Holder of this type of visa is entitled to stay in Thailand for a maximum period of 90 days. He or she may apply for an extension of stay at the Office of the Immigration Bureau and may be granted such extension for a period of one year from the date of first entry into Thailand.
2.2 Non-Immigrant Visa category “B-A” (Business Approved Visa) The granting of such visa to qualified applicants is under the jurisdiction of the Office of the Immigration Bureau in Bangkok. The applicant’s associated company in which he or she will invest in or conduct business with may apply for this type of visa on behalf of the applicant at the Office of the Immigration Bureau. Once the application is approved, the Immigration Bureau will advise the concerned Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Consulate-General via the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to issue the visa to the applicant. The holder of this category “B-A” visa will be permitted to stay for a period of one year from the date of first entry into the Kingdom.
2.3 Non-Immigrant Visa Category “IB” (Investment and Business Visa) is issued to foreign citizens employed to work on investment projects which are under the auspices of the Board of Investment of Thailand (BOI). Such projects must be involved in or bring benefit to Thailand in the following ways:
- Export-promotion
- Increasing employment
- Utilising local raw materials
- Projects engaging the provinces
- Encouraging technology transfer to Thai nationals
- Not hindering existing domestic businesses
2.4 Non-Immigrant Visa Category “B” (Teaching) Foreigners who intend to take up employment as school teachers at the levels below university level in Thailand must submit the following required documents:
- Passport or travel document with validity of not less than 6 months
- Completed visa application form
- Recent passport-sized photograph (4 x 6 cm) of the applicant taken within the past 6 months.
- Letter of acceptance from employing institute or school in Thailand.
- Letter of approval from government agencies such as the Office of the Private Education Commission, the Office of the Basic Education Commission.
- Evidence of educational qualification such as diplomas or teaching certificates.
- School license or business registration, list of shareholders and school profile.
- Applicant’s resume.
- Police certificate verifying that applicant has no criminal record or equivalents or letter issued by authorised agencies in applicant’s country. (The requirement of the submission of such police certificate is optional. The applicant must submit it if consular officer requests he/she to do so. This requirement is effective as from May 2007)


3. Additional Information
3.1 Upon entry into the Kingdom, applicant or his or her appointed
representatives must apply for a work permit at the Office of Foreign Workers Administration, Department of Employment, Ministry of Labour in which the applicant will be obligated to pay income tax accordingly. If the applicant’s associated company is located in the provinces, the applicant must apply at the Employment Office of that province.
3.2 Applicant’s family members (i.e., spouse, parents and children who are
unmarried and under 20 years old) are eligible to apply for a Non-Immigrant Visa (category “O”) and will be allowed to stay for a period of 90 days but no longer than 1 year.
3.3 Foreign citizens who hold a Transit Visa (“TS”) or Tourist Visa
(“TR”) and wish to engage in business activities in Thailand may apply for a change of type of visa (e.g., from Tourist Visa to Non-Immigrant Visa) at the Office of the Immigration Bureau Office located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889, www.immigration.go.th. The granting of change of type of visa and extension of stay is at the discretion of the immigration officer.
4. One Stop Service Centre for Visas and Work Permits
4.1 The One Stop Service Centre for Visas and Work Permits was established on 1 July 1997 by authority of the Regulations of the Office of Prime Minister promulgated on 30 June 1997. The objective of this centre is to simplify visa extension and permit issuance procedures to create a good investment environment. It aims to facilitate applications of visa extension and work permits (e.g., stay permission, re-entry permit, work permit). The Centre is located on Chamchuree Square Building, Floor 18, Phatumwan, Bangkok.
4.2 Foreigners who are eligible to apply for visa extension and work permits at the One Stop Service Centre are:
(1) Foreigner who is an executive or expert with privileges accorded to them by the following laws:
- Investment Promotion Act B.E. 2520 (1977)
- Petroleum Act B.E. 2514 (1971)
- Industrial Estate Authority of Thailand Act B.E. 2522 (1979)
(2) Foreigner who is an investor.
- If investing not less than 2 million Baht, he or she will be granted a 1 year permit.
- If investing not less than 10 million Baht, he or she will be granted a 2 year permit.
(3) Foreigner who is an executive or expert.
- Foreigner’s associated company should be registered with
capital or possess asset of not less than 30 million Baht.
(4) Foreigner who is member of the foreign press must present a letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and a copy of an ID Press Card issued by the Department of Public Relations.
(5) Foreigner who is a researcher or developer on science and technology.
(6) Foreigner who is employed in a branch office of an overseas bank, foreign banking office of an overseas bank, provincial foreign banking office of an overseas bank or a representative office of foreign bank in which all offices are certified by the Bank of Thailand.
(7) Foreigner who works on the necessary and urgent basis for a period of no longer than 15 days.
(8) Foreigner who is an official of the representative office for foreign juristic persons concerning the International Trading Business and Regional Office of Transnational Corporation in accordance to the Foreign Business Act B.E. 2542 (1999).
(9) Foreigner who is an expert on information technology.
(10) Foreigner who works at regional operating headquarters.

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John did you read this, that DrBob posted & to work in Thailand you need A NonB then a work permit.
The Extension to stay is on your NonB visa.
When you get a Re-Entry permit is for Non-Immigrate visa.
Fondles only went to Singapore for his NonB, & not for Extention to stay.

3.3 Foreign citizens who hold a Transit Visa (“TS”) or Tourist Visa
(“TR”) and wish to engage in business activities in Thailand may apply for a change of type of visa (e.g., from Tourist Visa to Non-Immigrant Visa) at the Office of the Immigration Bureau Office located at Government Center B, Chaengwattana Soi 7, Laksi, Bangkok 10210, Tel 0-2141-9889, www.immigration.go.th. The granting of change of type of visa and extension of stay is at the discretion of the immigration officer.

My Non B was issued in Singapore 6 years ago, I have been on 2 year permission to stay extensions ever since then.

Originally Posted by Fondles

My Non B was issued in Singapore 6 years ago, I have been on 2 year permission to stay extensions ever since then.

So you go to Immigration every 2 years that OK
I go every year as they like me.