Thread: Is it just me or is England turning into Poland?

Originally Posted by Toby451

only difference now being that they are harder to get, and pay less.

Pay less than what, the national minimum wage that is inflation adjusted year on year?

do you have any more right wing bile to spew?

You're going to have to make your mind up Toby, either I'm a "right-wing liberal" or "right-wing". Either way I can't take you seriously.

Originally Posted by Toby451

because ALL of those jobs WERE done before the immigrants arrived.

sorry? when are you talking about?

immigrants have been arriving in the Uk since before the Romans

talking around the year 2000 or so.

some immigration is ok, but unrestricted numbers is no good long term

the country was overcrowded before all the latest round of newcomers, so why do we want anymore?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Pay less than what, the national minimum wage that is inflation adjusted year on year?

You're going to have to make your mind up Toby, either I'm a "right-wing liberal" or "right-wing". Either way I can't take you seriously.

spending power for a min wage job has clearly gone down over the years.

right wing liberal is right wing - like Obama for example.

just a different shade of the same thing.

anyway, what is your party?

so, back to the new question:

how sustainable is this immigration idea?

Originally Posted by Toby451

right wing liberal is right wing - like Obama for example.

just a different shade of the same thing.

anyway, what is your party?

I don't really have a party, haven't voted in years. Plus I think the whole left/right distinction between the two main parties in NZ is in name only.

Suffice to say though that I can't recollect having ever been called right-wing by anyone before.

how sustainable is this immigration idea?

No idea. That's a whole different kettle of fish from what I've been talking about.

Originally Posted by Toby451

because ALL of those jobs WERE done before the immigrants arrived.

Originally Posted by Toby451

talking around the year 2000 or so.

well, those jobs were done by a different set of immigrants, so your argument is fallacious at best

Originally Posted by Toby451

how sustainable is this immigration idea?

I don't think it is an idea, more a reality

why worry, they do more good than harm?

Originally Posted by DrAndy

well, those jobs were done by a different set of immigrants, so your argument is fallacious at best

that's bull

plenty of white people do all sorts of grunt work, always have.

alongside our not so white brothers perhaps, but probably way more whites

not sure what your point is, other than some inverted racist Tory shite

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Toby451

how sustainable is this immigration idea?

I don't think it is an idea, more a reality

why worry, they do more good than harm?

perhaps for now - but what happens when the population hits 80 million and the NHS has to be privatised?

who will be laughing then

Originally Posted by Toby451

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Toby451

how sustainable is this immigration idea?

I don't think it is an idea, more a reality

why worry, they do more good than harm?

perhaps for now - but what happens when the population hits 80 million and the NHS has to be privatised?

who will be laughing then

They will tell you :

Problem w tym kraju jest to, że istnieje zbyt wiele Anglicy!

Well, have to hand it to Toby 451. I have no idea where I am in the political spectrum these days and won't vote again - whats the point? But his views on the euro invasion are spot on IMHO and go much deeper than he portrays. There are many angles to this and just remember that many of those 'hard working' low paid immigrant employees for the middle classes and above are supported by state benefits. They wouldn't be here otherwise, they couldn't afford to be here otherwise. Low salaries are topped up by the state and the rent gets paid. Simples.

Why do lots of Polish forums like this exist?

benefity.org.uk • Strona g

yes BENEFITY is the Polish word for BENEFITS.

"Hello I'm coming to England what will i get?"
"Help i'm Pregnant and coming to the UK"

Blablabla

good point, and on one of my trips back to UK, about 7 years ago, I did a short stint of casual summer labour.

my supervisor was a Polish woman, and her main topic of conversation was how great it would be after she could stop working and get benefits.

she already had an English man lined up to marry.

so , can we get benefits in Poland , or how about a job even?

don't think it works that way around somehow.

it's a kind of bizarre from of 'international socialism' - ie: give the poorer countries a hand out until we are as poor as them'

a big joke

They don't need to marry anyone..

2004 - 2011

They had to work here for 12 months before the gravy train opened.

2011+

Come here.. do 3 months work, or register as self-employed for 3 months. make a few voluntary NI contributions and the whole gravy train opens up.

3months?

how does that actually work in an economic sense?

Originally Posted by Toby451

3months?

how does that actually work in an economic sense?

It's the rules.

After 3 months any EU citizen becomes officially "Habitually Resident" thus able to access any of the goodies on offer


Why do you think Polish women are breeding like animals the second they land on our shores, yet their own country is facing a population crisis with a very low fertility rate?

Originally Posted by caller

There are many angles to this and just remember that many of those 'hard working' low paid immigrant employees for the middle classes and above are supported by state benefits. They wouldn't be here otherwise, they couldn't afford to be here otherwise. Low salaries are topped up by the state and the rent gets paid. Simples.

do you have the stats to prove your assertion, or is it just your own Daily Mail perception

Originally Posted by DrAndy

who mentioned the colour of peoples' skin? immigrants are all sorts of people

Jamiacans, Indians, Pakistanis, Africans, Irish, Serbs, Croats, endless

I understand your comprehension is limited but that does not make my point some "inverted racist Tory shite"

you just alluded to skin colour then sparky,

and your Tory shite accusation still stands - the tired old propaganda stunt that blames the local worker for his own plight

whilst the rich Tory rubs his hands in glee

Perhaps it is England's turn to be colonised... What goes around comes around my friend...

I see it as the prognosis of Marx, come true!

The revenge of Karl.

Originally Posted by petegilly

Perhaps it is England's turn to be colonised... What goes around comes around my friend...

Don't recall the Uk colonising Poland, Romania or Bulgaria etc etc. Uk has enough of the buggers already from the places we did colonise.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by caller

There are many angles to this and just remember that many of those 'hard working' low paid immigrant employees for the middle classes and above are supported by state benefits. They wouldn't be here otherwise, they couldn't afford to be here otherwise. Low salaries are topped up by the state and the rent gets paid. Simples.

do you have the stats to prove your assertion, or is it just your own Daily Mail perception

Better than a red rose-tinted BBC/Daily Mirror perception... there are plenty of stats, but as Guardian-readers are generally either pseudo-intellectual lliterates or have bleeding hearts that gush all over their hate-rag, they are invariably too splenetic and sclerotic to see anything they don't want to.
There is evidence of EU immigrants from the east hopping onto the benefits train pretty early; and plenty of evidence of non-EU immigrant corruption.

It was the Labour Party, the supposed party of the Jarrow marchers and their descendants that decided that the only way they could get into power and stay there was to betray the working classes by orchestrating the largest influx of immigrants in the history of the British Isles since the last Ice Age (both in terms of numbers, rate, and percentage).

Not to let the pseudo-right-wing Tories off the hook, it was under Major's government that the sh!t started, but you expect that from then because, let's face it, mass-immigration and "multi-culturalism" is all in service of globalisation, which is an idea that both capitalists and marxists can agree upon (albeit with different angles on it).
What it really means is that instead of investing in the people that are already here, the people who for the overwhelming most part can trace their genes back to the Ice Age (if not their politics), you replace them.

Immigration is basically telling the indigenous population that they are worthless, and are inferior human beings, and need to be replaced by better ones, and have to compete even harder for even less... a kind of economic eugenics or ethnic cleansing in effect.... and if they dissent or protest, they are caricatured as evil by calling them bigots and racists and fascists and other such cryptonymns for evildoers. Immigration is a factor in decreasing social mobility amongst the indigenous working classes, and increasing wealth gap. As long as the middle and corporate classes and multi-nationals benefit, then who cares about the scum - they don't vote anyway, eh?

The Labour party and the left is guilty of revolting "big lie" politics and manipulative demagoguery, gross hypocrisy, betrayal, and cynical adolescent politicking - one of their activists even confirmed that it was a deliberate policy a result of the 70s to increase immigration to spite the National Front.

Originally Posted by Toby451

the tired old propaganda stunt that blames the local worker for his own plight

That was the plan- getting the people into a 'take responsibility' mentality , a treasure for the government as now they can do as they please without any blame.
And just to t to make sure, give an army of politically correct clowns well paid non jobs to back them up .
Also have people believe the words -globalisation - immigration - inevitable - are intertwined ,,,

All that went to plan and now in Britain there's a race to the bottom as workers accept lower and lower wages , zero hours contracts, having to phone agencies every day to see if they are wanted again tomorrow etc
Its not even a good economic model as the negative growth figure show .

Its a rigged game too ,and if people complain brand them racist .

despite all the above ,some still wonder why so many people just give up and stay in bed.
Guess they figure its better to accept been at the bottom of society rather than ,one small rung up and have to put up with all the stress that trying to stay even there entails .