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    Japanese or Korean Language

    If a person living in Thailand, Thai or Expat, wanted to study Japanese or Korean for self improvement and possible future employment in Thailand or another country, which language would you recommend and why? Are they the same in difficulty or is one much harder than the other? Which is the most useful?

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    Japanese generally more useful.

    Korean easier and especially easy to write.

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    as a Christian, you should study Korean

    although you might have included Mandarin in your choices

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    What does being a Christian or not being a Christian have to do with it?

    I am seeking information for my wife and friends, not for myself. I have enough trouble studying Thai. Mandarin has more tonal sounds than Thai - forget it. Being almost deaf a tonal language is not easy.

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    Japanese would be more likely to help with getting a job.

    I don't think Korean is easier, btw. But, I'm crap at all languages so what do I know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1
    What does being a Christian or not being a Christian have to do with it?
    nothing at all

    so why are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1
    What does being a Christian or not being a Christian have to do with it?
    nothing at all

    so why are you?

    So why am I what?

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    The ROK has the highest percentage of Christians of any Asian country, over a quarter of the population, but for the PI. I thought maybe that was point, but maybe not.

    How do expect learning one of those languages to help you get a job in Thailand? Honest question. Learning Japanese can help you get a job in Japan or possibly in your home country, not sure how it would help in Thailand. To become fluent enough to work in Japanese requires years of serious study, and I expect Korean, while it has a more sensible writing system, would be much the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1
    What does being a Christian or not being a Christian have to do with it?
    nothing at all

    so why are you?

    So why am I what?
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    gotta laugh RS

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    whaddya gonna do ? work as a secretary for a Japanese company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1
    Mandarin has more tonal sounds than Thai
    Sorry, but I disagree. Mandarin has only four tones (OK, maybe five if you want to be extremely pedantic and count a neutral tone, but never mind).
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Korean...especially easy to write.
    Yup, the Korean 'alphabet' can be easily learned in half a day. The language itself would take a long stretch of hard yakka to master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Japanese would be more likely to help with getting a job.

    I don't think Korean is easier, btw. But, I'm crap at all languages so what do I know...
    Around 60% of the vocabulary in Japanese, Korean, and Vietnamese is based on 7th century Chinese (i.e. more similar to Cantonese than Mandarin).

    e.g. "telephone"
    Jap - Den Wa
    Kor - Chon Wa
    Viet - Dien Thoai
    Can - Ding Waa
    Han - Dian Hua (Han = Mandarin/Putonghua)

    e.g. 2 "university"
    Jap - Dai Gaku
    Kor - Dae Hak
    Viet - Dai Hoc (pron "Die Hop")
    Can - Daai Hok
    Han - Da Xue (pron "Daa Shwey")

    Japanese has got a couple of syllabic alphabets that I found easer to deal with than Korean. Plus in Jap you frequently use characters, which tends not to happen in Korean, and as I'm dyslexic I cope better with characters.

    Vietnamese is a bit nasal, and like Cantonese has loads of tones.
    I would argue that Mandarin is easier than Thai, because it doesn't have loads of foreign loan words in to muck up the patterns; plus once you get into characters it's a lot more engaging that Thai scrawl. Japanese is quite logical and euphamistic, but sometimes the loanwords from Chinese are inverted or the meaning a bit shifted.

    e.g. "Introduce"
    Han - "Jie Shao"
    Jap - "Shou Kai"
    Same characters, but swapped around.

    Korean is a lot easier if you Japanese first, because the grammatical structure is the same. Korean's such an ugly language though, I would go for Japanese every time. The Nips are a superior breed to the Gooks and Chinks; never mind Somjai.

    I think Japanese is a more important business language than any other in Thailand, after English. You can see that by the number the job adverts for it.
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    To clarify my OP. I am seeking information for some Thai ladies who are teachers. They are interested in studying another foreign language and do not know which to pick. They are interested in information such as: is the language difficult to learn? is the language useful (as for obtaining employment as a teacher in another country)? is it helpful for factory workers in Thailand?

    I am not interested for myself to learn another language. I speak English, and some Cebuano, Spanish, and Japanese. I am having a hard time learning Thai, which is what I need to learn since I live here.

    This thread has nothing to do with religion or being a Christian.

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    Sorry, but I disagree. Mandarin has only four tones (OK, maybe five if you want to be extremely pedantic and count a neutral tone,

    OK - my bad. I was misinformed. I was told that there where nine tones plus. IMO I really think Mandarin or Spanish would be the best language to know for business in the present day world in addition to English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo
    Learning Japanese can help you get a job in Japan or possibly in your home country, not sure how it would help in Thailand.
    The Japs are probably the largest foreign investors in Thailand, and considered very good employers as well. I would think any local who has the diligence to study Japanese, and reach a basic communication level in it, would be well rewarded for their efforts. Otoh, the Jap middle and lower management they would likely be rubbing shoulders with would probably resent the fact a local could overhear and understand their 'private' comments. It was much the same in HK- the locals mostly didn't like the fact a gwei could understand their lingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    Japanese has got a couple of syllabic alphabets that I found easer to deal with than Korean.
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    The Japs are probably the largest foreign investors in Thailand
    I was thinking along these lines too. I come across quite a few Thais who speak Japanese and work for Japanese companies in Thailand. I recently met a Thai who spoke Korean (not sure if she works for a Korean company, I'll ask her); she was the first.

    For the last few decades, and probably into the next couple of decades too, Japanese is much more useful than Korean for a Thai who wants to get a job. From a comparative linguistics perspective, not being a Thai, I can't really say which is easier to learn. I find speaking Japanese much easier than speaking Korean (& I can't actually speak either, but have tried when I worked in Korea), but that means nothing to a Thai learner; Korean has 2 written scripts, the quite recently designed version is simpler than the older Chinese based (very strongly) system.

    Chinese would be the other option, but I'm not sure that help them get employment because there are so many sino-Thais already in the family...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I recently met a Thai who spoke Korean (not sure if she works for a Korean company, I'll ask her); she was the first.
    I know a couple. Sadly, they've been brainwashed like the Koreans by all that Christian bollocks too.

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    When I lived in Korea, I had a few Christians come up to me and give me their shite... They were dealt with as required and didn't bother me again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
    Korean is a lot easier if you Japanese first
    if you Jap bar girl?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1
    Dr Andy and RS - I don't speak what ever the hell language it is
    not very Christian of you
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    all that Christian bollocks too
    exactly why I mentioned religion, Ceb, everyone else picked up on it

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    I lived and worked in Korea for more than 17 years since 1972. I speak and write the language passably. don't see what being a Christian has anything at all to do with it. From my observation and opinion, there is not an over bearing pressure by the Koreans expressing their Christian beliefs, unless that is, they are elderly and have lived in the the States or other Western country and that is the result of the Church being a social outlet for the Koreans. That is where they meet on Sunday's and socialize. Now, the Koreans are very self conscious with a "what can you do for me", "here I come, you better get out of my way", "me me me" attitude that is so obnoxious that it is over the top.

    The Koreans are very prejudice and if one spoke the language it is my belief that they would still be looking at getting only an entry or low level position in a Korean company.
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    Loads of Thai ladies around BKK can speak Japanese

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceburat1
    I was misinformed. I was told that there where nine tones plus.
    You were probably thinking of Cantonese...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEA Traveler
    don't see what being a Christian has anything at all to do with it.
    me neither

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    The first poo ying I ever shagged in Thailand 12 years ago spoke fluent yip pun, she worked in that coffee shop outside the nana hotel her name was Rose, sure she will help you

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