Thread: Army of Occupation

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Davis Knowlton and ltnt for example are not real Americans and don't deserve to be American citizens, they are an insult to what America used to be.

maybe, but they represent the US America of today

Originally Posted by Butterfly

You guys need to watch that BBC documentary on Pakistan and how they played those American fools and that idiot GW Bush.

I don't think Bush had a lot to do with it, he was just a rubber stamp

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Less we forget, while the Americans were debating the Afghanistan incursion, the Taliban establishment had offered to hand over Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda elite. The Bush II government turned it down.

must say I don't remember that, I remember they refused thus giving an excuse for the invasion

but...if a link proves me wrong, no problem

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Davis Knowlton and ltnt for example are not real Americans and don't deserve to be American citizens, they are an insult to what America used to be.

maybe, but they represent the US America of today

Speaking only for myself, I don't represent the America of today, or any other day. And I am responding to Andy, not that Belgian troll. I have lived in Asia for almost forty years. I have perhaps spent four weeks total in the US out of the last decade. So, Andy, speak for yourself. If you, as a British passport holder and a long-time resident of Thailand, wish to consider yourself as representing England, good on ya. I represent no country. I left my birth country many years ago, thus can no more be considered representative of it than I can be of representative of the country in which I currently reside.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Less we forget, while the Americans were debating the Afghanistan incursion, the Taliban establishment had offered to hand over Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda elite. The Bush II government turned it down.

must say I don't remember that, I remember they refused thus giving an excuse for the invasion

but...if a link proves me wrong, no problem

They made a disingenuous "offer" to consider it if the US stopped the bombing back in 2001. The fact is they where just trying to buy time. They never would have handed him over and anyone that is naive enough to believe that is a fool.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Less we forget, while the Americans were debating the Afghanistan incursion, the Taliban establishment had offered to hand over Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda elite. The Bush II government turned it down. Gee....I wonder why?

A worthy news item that was never reported throughout the mainstream press.

Let's see the link to back that one up, eh?

Clinton & the CIA at that time were given an opportunity to take OBL and we know that one was turned down.

Grand conspiracy theories? Where's HM?

I just don't see the reason we are hanging on in Afghanistan, no matter why we marched in in the first place. There will be no 'nation building', Karzai & his goons are no friends of ours, and neither will there be an oil pipeline. So what 'face' are we pretending to save by hanging on there? Just more wasted lives on both sides, and more wasted money on our part.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

ncidentally, Jane Fonda also had some very good points

Really? Wow! How gullible some people are.

As Mr. Davis has pointed out , He is not to be considered an American due to his long term ex-pat lifestyle. I am relatively new to foreign service by his standard only having lived full time outside the USA since '95. I have returned to the USA for very short visits on and off for the majority of those years, however currently I have not returned to the USA since '07. Unlike my fellow countryman, I am and shall always remain an American regardless of geographical location, personal political preferences, or lack of physical connection to the continent.

As for not being a real American by a source here, I would suppose that's some form of slur for my political stand on issues relating to US foreign policies over history, not instances.

Like many raised during the baby boomer era we served our country in a war because we felt it was our duty to our country, our fathers and our father's father's who also served out of patriotism, sense of duty and for causes that were deemed worthy to fight and die for. No doubt about it, we are different from Americans who did not serve and those who would give away their freedom to tyrants and fools.

The men and women who presently are serving and have served in such places as Afghanistan or Iraq are not idiots or mindless drones. They have a sense of right and wrong and do their duty in vastly different circumstances than say some Cowboy in Bangkok with an ax to grind. I am sure that these soldiers of all those nations serving in these hell holes often do question the reasons for their service and their countries need or right to continue this fight as did I during my time in service. Regardless of our own personal politics, likes or dislikes, we put them aside due to our commitment to the military and those who served along side us.

Do I think America and Americans are different today from my time there? Yes, but I am different as well due to my life choices and experiences. I see changes all over the world. Both positive and negative, but I don't single out any of those countries or its citizens as my personal hate subject. I have thick skin so whatever is posted I can take. I just think its a bit shallow on the part of a few, more like mean spirited when it hits out at specific people. Comments like America needs to loose 100,000KIA or what do you call a dead American...pretty shabby even for this crowd.

In the end its all up to you what you choose to say and I suppose it was people like Davis and myself who thought/believed we had a part in defending your right to do so. You didn't ask us to, we volunteered out of a sense of duty.

Originally Posted by sabang

I just don't see the reason we are hanging on in Afghanistan, no matter why we marched in in the first place. There will be no 'nation building', Karzai & his goons are no friends of ours, and neither will there be an oil pipeline. So what 'face' are we pretending to save by hanging on there? Just more wasted lives on both sides, and more wasted money on our part.

Agree 100% it is all a wasted effort at this point and it is time to cut bait. I have spoke with several active duty soldiers on the local military base here and they all agree that it is wasted effort at this point. The time is now not 2014. Fuck Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by DrAndy

ncidentally, Jane Fonda also had some very good points

Really? Wow! How gullible some people are.

Maybe he was referring to her poonts?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by DrAndy

ncidentally, Jane Fonda also had some very good points

Really? Wow! How gullible some people are.

Maybe he was referring to her poonts?

Sorry but, he's serious as a heart attack with his reply. Tom Hayden, and CNN's finest Ted fell for her intelligence as well. Ted then gave away millions to the UN after the failure of their marriage. WTF was that about? Next up will be the Joan Biaz was the mother of the peace march. Abby Hoffman was a genius clan, "steal this book," fame. Lastly Jerry Brown; AKA Moonbeam, was a saint as he spent time in the Jesuit monastery in lieu of the penitentiary for drugs. Sorry way off target. Hanoi Jane is due for her award of Female of the Century soon btw. No doubt her contribution to the communist cause was the outstanding service she's actually being awarded for. Yea, certainly someone to be admired.

^ drunk posting? That was jarbled gobbly gook..

Fonda was a talking head for Tom Hayden. She never had an original thought in her life.

Originally Posted by ltnt

As Mr. Davis has pointed out , He is not to be considered an American due to his long term ex-pat lifestyle. I am relatively new to foreign service by his standard only having lived full time outside the USA since '95. I have returned to the USA for very short visits on and off for the majority of those years, however currently I have not returned to the USA since '07. Unlike my fellow countryman, I am and shall always remain an American regardless of geographical location, personal political preferences, or lack of physical connection to the continent.

As for not being a real American by a source here, I would suppose that's some form of slur for my political stand on issues relating to US foreign policies over history, not instances.

Like many raised during the baby boomer era we served our country in a war because we felt it was our duty to our country, our fathers and our father's father's who also served out of patriotism, sense of duty and for causes that were deemed worthy to fight and die for. No doubt about it, we are different from Americans who did not serve and those who would give away their freedom to tyrants and fools.

The men and women who presently are serving and have served in such places as Afghanistan or Iraq are not idiots or mindless drones. They have a sense of right and wrong and do their duty in vastly different circumstances than say some Cowboy in Bangkok with an ax to grind. I am sure that these soldiers of all those nations serving in these hell holes often do question the reasons for their service and their countries need or right to continue this fight as did I during my time in service. Regardless of our own personal politics, likes or dislikes, we put them aside due to our commitment to the military and those who served along side us.

Do I think America and Americans are different today from my time there? Yes, but I am different as well due to my life choices and experiences. I see changes all over the world. Both positive and negative, but I don't single out any of those countries or its citizens as my personal hate subject. I have thick skin so whatever is posted I can take. I just think its a bit shallow on the part of a few, more like mean spirited when it hits out at specific people. Comments like America needs to loose 100,000KIA or what do you call a dead American...pretty shabby even for this crowd.

In the end its all up to you what you choose to say and I suppose it was people like Davis and myself who thought/believed we had a part in defending your right to do so. You didn't ask us to, we volunteered out of a sense of duty.

Very well said....not that Butters, RS's and some others will really understand a word of it. They probably have about the same undersanding of duty as a cheap hooker....and some of their comments on here are below even that level.

Never take the ramblings and sub-standard trolling efforts of Butters too seriously...he will say anything to get the attention he seems to crave....
and then there is RS with the standard naval gazing "man on the hill" bullshit.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ drunk posting? That was jarbled gobbly gook..

That often happens when you loose balance on a wet bar and the supporting arm slips and your head hits the mahogany. You were referring to yourself?

Originally Posted by ltnt

You were referring to yourself?

That happens to me often. Sadly where I am it is cold and raining most all the time.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Like many raised during the baby boomer era we served our country in a war because we felt it was our duty to our country, our fathers and our father's father's who also served out of patriotism, sense of duty and for causes that were deemed worthy to fight and die for. No doubt about it, we are different from Americans who did not serve and those who would give away their freedom to tyrants and fools.

don't confuse your obedience to the military as some kind of patriotism, because it is not. The military likes to create that confusion so the subjects can be subdue into total obedience, which they need by design to "save" lives in a time of war.

The truth is that very few people have a sense of patriotism outside some form of brainwashing, and the military fits in that role perfectly.

You will find that the founding fathers political ideals was very much anti-military and anti-religion, people you would call today moonbat and traitors by the definition of your military ideals.

You are not a patriot, you are a brainwashed fool. If you were to order to kill your own people to maintain order or assist in a military coup, you would do it without asking questions.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Regardless of our own personal politics, likes or dislikes, we put them aside due to our commitment to the military and those who served along side us.

exactly my point, brainwashed idiots who think they are patriots when in reality they are military bots. Serving in the army doesn't give you a lifetime certificate of patriotism. Much too easy.

Originally Posted by koman

Never take the ramblings and sub-standard trolling efforts of Butters too seriously...he will say anything to get the attention he seems to crave.... and then there is RS with the standard naval gazing "man on the hill" bullshit. __________________

It seems careless and unwarranted these rants. If I had a son serving in Afghanistan now I'd be pretty pissed off at such hurtful statements. I'm pissed off anyway, but It strikes me that such posting cannot be constructive or humorous. Its not right and someone has to say so. Be accountable for your actions, don't just say "its just so and so, no matter we never pay attention to him. Everyone knows him." That's crap!

When someone promotes the death of others by nationality, its really way over acceptable limits.

I see you continue your offending rant butters. A non combatant, non serving member of the far side. You really have no idea just how wrong you are.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

exactly my point, brainwashed idiots who think they are patriots when in reality they are military bots. Serving in the army doesn't give you a lifetime certificate of patriotism. Fools.

It gave me a lifetime of respect.

Originally Posted by sabang

I just don't see the reason we are hanging on in Afghanistan, no matter why we marched in in the first place. There will be no 'nation building', Karzai & his goons are no friends of ours, and neither will there be an oil pipeline. So what 'face' are we pretending to save by hanging on there? Just more wasted lives on both sides, and more wasted money on our part.

they lost the war, it's a fact.

Not sure how Obama was persuaded to keep up, but I guess the Pentagon must have had some solid hidden arguments for him to change his mind.

I think the cost has been too light, so yes more Americans killed is necessary so next time such foolish acts will be remembered by the American public. It took 2 WW in Europe with millions killed for the French and German to get the message.

The US army didn't get his greatest defeat yet, they need one so they can stop being the world bully. We are getting there slowly, 2 lost wars, thousands killed, but it feels like they want to go for more (see Iran and Syria), so they will get all the shit they deserve, like the German.

What do you say to a woman with 2 black eyes ? something you shouldn't have to repeat twice.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by Butterfly

exactly my point, brainwashed idiots who think they are patriots when in reality they are military bots. Serving in the army doesn't give you a lifetime certificate of patriotism. Fools.

It gave me a lifetime of respect.

respect to what ? to your country ? or to yourself ?

the pride you feel is nothing else than the remains of your brainwashing, don't confuse it with anything else because it has no value outside the military.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Like many raised during the baby boomer era we served our country in a war because we felt it was our duty to our country

Really, and none went because they were drafted? Must be more idiots there than we first suspected.

Originally Posted by ltnt

If I had a son serving in Afghanistan now I'd be pretty pissed off at such hurtful statements.

I'd be most pissed off at what a retarded drone I had for a son.

Originally Posted by ltnt

A non combatant, non serving member of the far side.

keep saying this to yourself, that's all you have old man. Serving doesn't give you a medal of patriotism. How arrogant.

Originally Posted by ltnt

You really have no idea just how wrong you are.

oh, I didn't see that one coming