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    Why some Thais think they are immune to justice when a farang is involvedYou've read

    You've read many times about a farang who has a dispute with a Thai male, only to have his head kicked in by a group of snarling Thai males. Then you read that it is simply that these uninvolved men are protecting a 'fellow countryman'. They may not even know this 'fellow countryman', yet it is not unknown for them to wade in with sticks, feet and punches (or worse). Often leaving the poor farang in a crumpled heap. Justice is non-existent in most cases.

    If this is 'national pride' and these men are as macho, manly, brave or simply 'tough guys' why does the term 'cowardly' never come into these scenarios? Farangs know they are cowardly of course, but Thai men wouldn't entertain this notionin a million decades.

    I used to work in soi 22 at Titanium Club (when it was good) for a long time and eventually got along very well with the door staff. They were part of the same group that worked soi Cowboy, and could easily whistle up a 'cavalry' from there in minutes, if needed. They told me of many times when they'd given a team handed beating to some poor solo farang sod for the pettiest of offences. They enjoyed it.

    Before you say it, there are of course some farangs who deserve it regardless, but sometimes there are misunderstandings, but these guys pride themselves on their 'beat now ask later' philosophy. One quiet evening I asked them if the thought of taking a farang on 1-2-1 had ever crossed their minds as in the west the act of being a coward was held in contempt.

    Some of the answers ranged from the ludicrous ''I protect my country'' to ''He have money more than Thai people, we make fair'' which seems to be taught to natives at this level, to automatically dislike the foreigner for reasons created by pig-ignorant education and lack of understanding.

    Being cowardly isn't instilled into Thai male vocabulary or thought process of any kind, and coupled with ''showing face'' you have a potential for a volatile situation, and with added yaa-baa, alcohol (or worse), the term ''Mushroom cloud mutha fucka'' springs to mind.

    At the end of the day, the idea of justice for the western victim of violence in Thailand seems completely laughable, even when police are involved.

    But it don't stop at violence. What of the security at low-star hotels and staff themselves who think it is perfectly acceptable to steal farangs property and then get off scot free? It happens, the reception staff never saw nothing and after lots buck passing and saving face, fuck all happens.

    So watch your backs and stay out of trouble folks. But many of you don't need such a patronising warning from the likes of me..
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    A few years back when my (half-Thai) niece was about 13, she was attending a Thai school in Bangkok, and she had a lot of problems with the Thai boys in her year being obsessed with her ''noom'' (breasts, she was much more developed than the Thai girls).

    When the teachers were informed and complaints made, the Thai boys simply said it was because 'she falang' and seemed to think this was an acceptable excuse. They actually thought it was quite funny.

    Luckily she was only at that school about 4 months.
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    Oriental savages and uncouth barbarians.

    If they could only be like us.

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    I see your back to posting your usual bollox. Shame, you actually started coming across as fairly reasonable for a short while.

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    I think it's quite a good insight into the Thai male mentality, from someone who's worked with them.

    And he does have the humility to say "from the likes of me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim View Post
    I see your back to posting your usual bollox. Shame, you actually started coming across as fairly reasonable for a short while.
    judgemental jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    I think it's quite a good insight into the Thai male mentality
    no, just into the low class males that hang around shit clubs

    same as in any city - gang mentality

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    Nowhere did I mention ''all Thai males'' becuase I know you all know what kind I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by astasinim View Post
    I see your back to posting your usual bollox. Shame, you actually started coming across as fairly reasonable for a short while.
    judgemental jerk.
    Pot & kettle springs to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat
    But it don't stop at violence. What of the security at low-star hotels and staff themselves who think it is perfectly acceptable to steal farangs property and then get off scot free? It happens, the reception staff never saw nothing and after lots buck passing and saving face, fuck all happens. So watch your backs and stay out of trouble folks. But many of you don't need such a patronising warning from the likes of me.
    Which is why you should always drop a turd in the wardrobe before you check out.Childish I know but even 3 months later you can still smell the revenge.

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    ^I've thrown wet fresh fish into a false ceiling before checking out before. Childish but I smiled to myself about a week later

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    Years ago I had a decent business except that unbeknown to me one of the staff was taking orders & deposits for stock that he didn't have, when he couldn't deliver, the customer complained to the police.

    The police knew he didn't have any money to reimburse the complainant so they worked out a plan, without going into detail the police came at me, threatened my family, wife & daughters etc to get me to make good, which they did by stealing stock.
    In retrospect there was many ways in which I could have protected my self but its a little hard to think rationally when 6 cops bust in searching your business and home turning up side down ( I found out later) they were looking for a weapon which was planted (not by me) earlier on, they didn't find it.

    That day I had approx 3 million baht worth of goods stolen by the Police
    to satisfy a fraudulent transaction by an ex employee. From that day on I Ihave had a almost over whelming desire to commit a serious crime against Every Thai cops I have ever come across.
    They have no scruples, honour or decency.
    There canít be good living where there is not good drinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy
    no, just into the low class males that hang around shit clubs
    moo ham ?

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    I doubt you'll rub shoulders with the cream of the indigenous crop if you hang around the Reeperbahn, Tijuana, Kings Cross, Angeles etc. No different in Thailand. On the whole, I don't think crime against foreigners is too bad here, numerically speaking. Petty theft & drunken brawls in tourist areas accounts for most of it, although the financially motivated offing of western spouses is a bit of a worry.
    probes Aliens

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    to cut a story short
    i had a powerful lamp on my bike stolen by a taxi driver
    told the police who had stolen it
    and they took me to the police station
    and searched MY bags.
    i had just arrived in thailand.
    they made no effort to check the taxi driver out.
    only way to get justice in thailand is
    to get it yourself.
    which i did.
    but don't jump to the conclusion that i robbed a thai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat View Post
    Nowhere did I mention ''all Thai males'' becuase I know you all know what kind I mean.
    Yeah, we understand what you really mean, Prat.
    Usually hidden in your surface message.
    Not disguised very well, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Usually hidden in your surface message.
    Not disguised very well, is it?
    I give up. What's your point again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat View Post
    One quiet evening I asked them if the thought of taking a farang on 1-2-1 had ever crossed their minds as in the west the act of being a coward was held in contempt.

    .

    I think you hold some romanticised idea of one-on-one boxing as being intrinsically manly. Stripped to the waist fisticuffs or wrestling nude in front of a log fire.

    But no kicks in the goolies, no scratching or pinching, and no double-teaming.

    Please.....its a fight, being cowardly or uncowardly isn't a term that applies these days , esp, in the 3rd world. 'Win at all costs' is a term that has more merit nowadays, and probably rightly so.

    If farangs are daft enough (with alcohol likely a factor) to get into a Thai scrap, then they need to be mindful that Louisiana duelling rules won't apply.

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    Actually a good post from DJ, I'm a bit surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    Years ago I had a decent business except that unbeknown to me one of the staff was taking orders & deposits for stock that he didn't have, when he couldn't deliver, the customer complained to the police.

    The police knew he didn't have any money to reimburse the complainant so they worked out a plan, without going into detail the police came at me, threatened my family, wife & daughters etc to get me to make good, which they did by stealing stock.
    In retrospect there was many ways in which I could have protected my self but its a little hard to think rationally when 6 cops bust in searching your business and home turning up side down ( I found out later) they were looking for a weapon which was planted (not by me) earlier on, they didn't find it.

    That day I had approx 3 million baht worth of goods stolen by the Police
    to satisfy a fraudulent transaction by an ex employee. From that day on I Ihave had a almost over whelming desire to commit a serious crime against Every Thai cops I have ever come across.
    They have no scruples, honour or decency.
    The natural act of The Thai when they can act without accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    I think it's quite a good insight into the Thai male mentality
    no, just into the low class males that hang around shit clubs

    same as in any city - gang mentality
    I disagree.

    Thai backs Thai be it police, judicial system, business owners etc etc.

    Level of society doesn't matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    they were looking for a weapon which was planted (not by me) earlier on, they didn't find it.
    see, you were lucky they are totally inefficient! can't even find the planted gun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer
    I think it's quite a good insight into the Thai male mentality
    no, just into the low class males that hang around shit clubs

    same as in any city - gang mentality
    I disagree.

    Thai backs Thai be it police, judicial system, business owners etc etc.

    Level of society doesn't matter.

    only if it is in their interest

    I have seen the opposite, many times

    but I thought we were talking about gang beatings etc
    I have reported your post

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Pat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Usually hidden in your surface message.
    Not disguised very well, is it?
    I give up. What's your point again?
    You're a moron?

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    ^Oh that, but what's that gotta do with the topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
    Please.....its a fight, being cowardly or uncowardly isn't a term that applies these days , esp, in the 3rd world. 'Win at all costs' is a term that has more merit nowadays, and probably rightly so. If farangs are daft enough (with alcohol likely a factor) to get into a Thai scrap, then they need to be mindful that Louisiana duelling rules won't apply.
    +1

    1. Thais generally don't fight one on one. Thais grab everyone they can muster.
    2. "Looking tough" is not the point of it; seriously beating the hell out of or killing someone is.
    3. If you've pissed off a Thai...do not believe it has blown over. They're still pissed at you, but will smile to your face and pretend nothing is wrong. This is so you're unsuspecting and got your guard down. When you least suspect it, you will be attacked. Like riding back on your motosai in your soi when no one else is around...someone will hit you over the head with a bat.

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