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    Mess of the Day ,BBC flagship Match of the day stars walk out-c89a1ffa-92a6-451a-a264-9abf4e8d88df-jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    What about economic migrants, not in any danger of persecution or war, but leaving their country in order to seek better economic opportunities somewhere else. Should they also be allowed unrestricted entry? Y or N.
    I think it's a bit of a misconception to think people are risking their lives to get UK benefits. Most are desperate people that are either running away from war or an economic crisis within their country. I don't think too many are in it for the jolly to live the rest of their lives off the UK taxpayer.

    Remember you have to be in the UK to claim asylum but there are no legal routes to enter.

    There needs to be safe and legal routes to enter the UK. Processing of each case needs to be carried out much more quickly. Establishments must be set up in Northern Europe to carry out this processing. I really don't like the name detention centres and don't see why they have to be called such.

    Those seeking asylum or refugee status must be treated with dignity. They should not be treated as criminals.

    The UK has a shortage in its workforce. There is a place for economic migrants too. A legal route will help stop the boats. The current immigration plan will not.

    Apologies for the typos. Small keypad and big podgy fingers!
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    As many have pointed out, some of the wealthiest countries in Asia generally refuse to accept economic migrants OR asylum seekers from their own doorstep.

    Let them do some of the heavy lifting, instead of dumping the problem on Europe, let alone the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    As many have pointed out, some of the wealthiest countries in Asia generally refuse to accept economic migrants OR asylum seekers from their own doorstep.

    Let them do some of the heavy lifting, instead of dumping the problem on Europe, let alone the UK.

    Pointing the finger at other countries has little to do with addressing or excusing the lack of equity or humanity exhibited from the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I wonder why French concentration camps are sited so close to the coast of Northern France?
    Seriously? But then:
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    Nothing substantive or even accurate in that
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    Still no link?


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    Jim Davidson spouts white van man shite more like.
    Yea, sounds like a few here would like him, though.


    Cutting through the crap I found this by Jonathan Pie both apt and accurately describes what Lineker said and why his agreement with the BBC doesn't deny him his opinion . . . and the there's Attenborough . . . sad, really.


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    Thank god most in the UK would run a mile from right wing zealot OAPs like switch and taxi.

    Even if they were dumb enough to vote BREXIT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Thank god most in the UK would run a mile from right wing zealot OAPs like switch and taxi.

    Even if they were dumb enough to vote BREXIT.
    Cyrille posting lies about me AGAIN. Your angry and bitter socialist net does not cover your false assumptions about me, no matter how many times you lie about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Seriously? But then:



    Yea, sounds like a few here would like him, though.


    Cutting through the crap I found this by Jonathan Pie both apt and accurately describes what Lineker said and why his agreement with the BBC doesn't deny him his opinion . . . and the there's Attenborough . . . sad, really.

    Perhaps you could explain why the French camps are concentrated on the coast closest to UK?

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    I really think he should go on question time. I think it would be quite funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    An immigrant complaining about other migrants. That's a special kind of hypocrisy
    tiz peak TD, of course it is a subject and discussion impossible in dictatorships and banana regimes

    Rather like TD itself the BBC errs and is under great pressure due to the licence model.

    However if you scan your choices it still seems superior,

    Sure for Sports Sky has scooped up many must see events which soccer fans will eagerly pay for .TIV the cmmercial channel has some good dramas marred by ads and some fair sports , Chanel 4 Films and 7pm news.

    The rest is Fox level dross GB News Fox ITV Netflix or Dave (show reruns of old comedy like TV GOLD)suit some to be honest I prefer radio to all of them as I can listen as I mover around car kitchen garden

    For those who think it is poor value try living in USA it's liek Thai tv with Ads in English endless violence bling Kardashians and game shows.

    The outrun Gary will be as smug as bug in rug, won't be surprised if Starmer (wannabe UK PM) makes him a sports Czar or something similar hoping the sparkle will rub off. was a great player, pundit and seems smarter than the average ballkicker or politician which isn't saying up to TD level of course.

    For those outside the UK loop the whole affair was dog whistle to the so called "Red Wall" lower middle class who understandably loathe working hard, paying tax and declining purchasing power and seeing immigrants living free in hotels.

    Upside normal service renewed for those who appreciate football analysis, the issue of small boats from Democratic safe France is still in the hands of the gangs who will merely change route or tactics until living standards, welfare and lak of ID needed is the same in Afghanistan Eritrea or NATO Albania.
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    So we've not two (so called) expat Aussies telling us the UK is treating economic migrants badly when their country ships them off to to an Island prison, and two Brits who don't contribute to the upkeep of these migrants as they haven't paid into the exchequer in half a lifetime.

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    And yet another diehard tory brexiter posting ad hom rather than focussing on the issue.

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    i have posted about the issue, the issue is we cannot simply keep accepting economic migrants much as die-hard non-contributing lefties like yourself would like us to.

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    keep hearing the same music from Symp et al, lets change the record.

    Be nice if Symp was able to offer us a heart-warming story of human kindness he's been involved in, or failing that how much of your state sponsored terrorist Govt money you earned that you've given to chaaaaaarrrrrity or are you just a selfish cvnt who takes the moral high ground with no dog in the fight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    i have posted about the issue, the issue is we cannot simply keep accepting economic migrants much as die-hard non-contributing lefties like yourself would like us to.
    Much like the US democrats and Mexicans, they only want them because they're nailed on voters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    That is fine if the rules and procedures of the ECHR are applied fairly, and the asylum seekers and refugees are not given the option to choose their destination by benefit attractions.

    Anyone arriving by illegal means from another country, (mostly within the EU) should be cared for by the nation they arrive at first!

    I wonder why French concentration camps are sited so close to the coast of Northern France?
    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Thank god most in the UK would run a mile from right wing zealot OAPs like switch and taxi.
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    Cyrille posting lies about me AGAIN.
    I have to say, you do sound like a right wing nutjob oap to me too.

    Do you really need to be told why there are immigration camps in Northern France close to the shipping routes to the UK? Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse or is this just sarcasm? One never really knows with your posts.

    The argument about choice of host country for refugees and asylum seekers is disputable, even more so when it comes to the EU. The 1951 convention is not specific and suggests the country where asylum is claimed is the one responsible rather than the first safe country entered. See link below for further discussion.

    The right to choose country of asylum: The 1951 Convention and the EU’s Temporary Protection Directive | Asile

    In a similar manner to Brexit, the media and government play the "immigration game" using money spent, quoting huge amounts, to make it seem like a huge wasted outlay instead of what it actual is...a small percentage of GDP. It is made worse by the inefficient use of resources and media turning outlier problems into the general problem.

    For those that may think that I don't pay tax and/or don't contribute, I am sorry to disappoint, I am in the top tax bracket in Germany and have worked heavily with charities since my uni days. In fact, the uni I attended was famous for its charity organisation and my involvement was the reason why I met the Queen. I pay contributions to the Red Cross, Johanniter International and Malteser International and volunteer for fund raising events for Mencap.

    Small migration camps have been set up almost everywhere in Germany, I live less than 500m from one of them and pass another two on my way to work. They aren't the best accommodation in the world but they are functional and small enough to allow some sort of temporary integration within the community. I would say that Germany has made a great deal of effort to help refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants.

    It is a shame that such an historically respected country for justice and fairness, like the UK, cannot do the same.

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    Yes, too many stone hearted, penny pinching bigots like twitch, tax and numpt around.

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    In fact, the uni I attended was famous for its charity organisation and my involvement was the reason why I met the Queen. I pay contributions to the Red Cross, Johanniter International and Malteser International and volunteer for fund raising events for Mencap.
    Which one are you? Smashy or Nicey.
    There is nothing so mind numbingly pathetic as the do gooder who feels it necessary to name check the organisations he donates to in order to big up their virtue signalling credentials. Should have retained your dignity and kept quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I have to say, you do sound like a right wing nutjob oap to me too.

    Do you really need to be told why there are immigration camps in Northern France close to the shipping routes to the UK? Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse or is this just sarcasm? One never really knows with your posts.

    The argument about choice of host country for refugees and asylum seekers is disputable, even more so when it comes to the EU. The 1951 convention is not specific and suggests the country where asylum is claimed is the one responsible rather than the first safe country entered. See link below for further discussion.

    The right to choose country of asylum: The 1951 Convention and the EU’s Temporary Protection Directive | Asile

    In a similar manner to Brexit, the media and government play the "immigration game" using money spent, quoting huge amounts, to make it seem like a huge wasted outlay instead of what it actual is...a small percentage of GDP. It is made worse by the inefficient use of resources and media turning outlier problems into the general problem.

    For those that may think that I don't pay tax and/or don't contribute, I am sorry to disappoint, I am in the top tax bracket in Germany and have worked heavily with charities since my uni days. In fact, the uni I attended was famous for its charity organisation and my involvement was the reason why I met the Queen. I pay contributions to the Red Cross, Johanniter International and Malteser International and volunteer for fund raising events for Mencap.

    Small migration camps have been set up almost everywhere in Germany, I live less than 500m from one of them and pass another two on my way to work. They aren't the best accommodation in the world but they are functional and small enough to allow some sort of temporary integration within the community. I would say that Germany has made a great deal of effort to help refugees, asylum seekers and economic migrants.

    It is a shame that such an historically respected country for justice and fairness, like the UK, cannot do the same.
    Thank you for the courtesy of a reasoned reply. My apologies if Cyrille makes me sound like a ‘penny pinching OAP’.
    As usual, his assumptions are founded by his hypocritical left wing bias. As for him being a liar, he has never acknowledged, admitted or denied it. I will maintain my right to remind him of his propensity for lack of truth until he does.

    My question about asylum/migrant camps was not about Germany, but about northern France! The debate about responsibility for them, has more than one side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Yes, too many stone hearted, penny pinching bigots like twitch, tax and numpt around.
    Keep posting your inaccurate assumptions. They make me smile as that hole you are digging gets bigger.

    Your personal hatred of people you never met and don’t know, proves that many posters now see you for the pointless oik you really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Perhaps you could explain why the French camps are concentrated on the coast closest to UK?
    Some are, some aren't . . . they're spread around the country . . . oh, you're saying that France is deliberately sending these people to the UK by locating them close to the channel . . . Interesting . . . but ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    So we've not two (so called) expat Aussies telling us the UK is treating economic migrants badly
    Right, so you are not allowed to comment on anything outside of your immediate world either . . . seems fair considering there is much about the UK to fix - get right to it, Brexit-EDL skinhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Which one are you? Smashy or Nicey.
    There is nothing so mind numbingly pathetic as the do gooder who feels it necessary to name check the organisations he donates to in order to big up their virtue signalling credentials. Should have retained your dignity and kept quiet.
    I'll always reserve the "good samaritan" status to those that volunteer their time learning to help others and putting it into practice. I am well below that kind of person.

    However, compared to the selfish, ungrateful shit that you portray yourself to be then I probably am a goody goody.

    Thank goodness British values and yourself are worlds apart.

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    Not even worth replying to that rancid piece of humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    Not even worth replying to that rancid piece of humanity.
    Absolutely not ... When his parents were refugees from India, escaping anti-Muslim discrimination it was acceptable for the UK to take them ... A typical attitude of 'après moi, la déluge'.

    Target ten Troy's than 1/10th of a taxi driver

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