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Originally Posted by DrWilly

An immigrant complaining about other migrants. That's a special kind of hypocrisy!

There is a world of difference between an immigrant gaining the right to remain through legal process, and a would be immigrant seeking those rights by queue jumping and other illegal means.

If they deem the wait for permission too long, then there are other safe countries with speedier processes. France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc, but it is their safety from oppression that is the most important thing, is it not?

Originally Posted by taxexile

If they deem the wait for permission too long, then there are other safe countries with speedier processes. France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc.

Do you know that for a fact?

Do France, Sweden and Germany offer less state support for migrants than the UK does?

Link, please.

For illegal, queue jumping, paperless, economic migrants yes. For genuine asylum seekers, no.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Link, please.

Take your time.

I did ask nicely, though.

Google it yourself you argumentative oaf.

Originally Posted by taxexile

Google it yourself you argumentative oaf.

Oh I see.

You were just spouting off the top of your spammy head again.

Originally Posted by taxexile

France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc,

senility is a curse. You are so full of shit.


As cyrille saud: Link, thanks it's 'obvious' . . . you legend of humanitarian aid.

Originally Posted by taxexile

There is a world of difference between an immigrant gaining the right to remain through legal process, and a would be immigrant seeking those rights by queue jumping and other illegal means.

Luckily we have you to decide who is who and what is what . . . did you slip through the cracks when you came from India?

Originally Posted by taxexile

There is a world of difference between an immigrant gaining the right to remain through legal process, and a would be immigrant seeking those rights by queue jumping and other illegal means.

If they deem the wait for permission too long, then there are other safe countries with speedier processes. France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc, but it is their safety from oppression that is the most important thing, is it not?

A refugee or an asylum seeker should be free to flee his country of war or persecution and find safe harbour in another country. That includes the UK. He/she should be able to enter that country without fear of arrest or harrassment. That includes the UK.

There are no ifs or buts.

Originally Posted by silly old duffer

Bit of a hot potato of a subject .

More like a lot of hot air being blasted about on this topic.

Jim Davidson nails it..

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Jim Davidson nails it

You have no idea what a dimwit (at best) that sentence shows you up as, do you.

Thankfully this episode has shown that the majority of people in the UK have more braincells, and more heart, than TD's UK based dimwits.

Even the red tops must frequently be far too nuanced for you.

Are you a GBTV fan too?

Originally Posted by Switch

...French concentration camps...

Is there no limit to the utter garbage BREXITers spout?

Originally Posted by cyrille

nuanced

Stick to the entertainment and sports threads.

Your brain dead 'input' is less distracting there.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Is there no limit to the utter garbage BREXITers spout?

Nothing substantive or even accurate in that. = normal Cy posting failed insult attempt. ��

Originally Posted by Troy

A refugee or an asylum seeker should be free to flee his country of war or persecution and find safe harbour in another country. That includes the UK. He/she should be able to enter that country without fear of arrest or harrassment. That includes the UK.

There are no ifs or buts.

What about economic migrants, not in any danger of persecution or war, but leaving their country in order to seek better economic opportunities somewhere else. Should they also be allowed unrestricted entry? Y or N.

Originally Posted by taxexile

rance, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc

Still no link?

The figures from 2020 show this statement to not be the case.

Is the UK asylum system more generous than others?

Today I found out that refugees claiming asylum in France get more benefits than those in the UK get. Quite a shock given all the people claiming on social media that the UK is a ‘soft touch’ and that refugees come here for the benefits. But then I do know that four times as many people claim asylum in France every year as they do in the UK. So is our asylum system really so generous?


The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63.



Asylum-seekers in the UK can qualify for accommodation and financial help while they wait for their claims to be decided. But this is the same in other European countries. The difference is that other European countries allow asylum-seekers to work if their claims haven’t been decided within a certain number of months. In Germany they can work after three months (4) and in France after six months (5). In the UK, they can only work after 12 months. That is a whole year of living off £5 a day while being unable to contribute their skills to our economy and country. When refugees come to Britain seeking protection, it’s important that they can integrate and get to know people. It would help if they were allowed to work if their claim takes more than six months to process.


Detention is used much more extensively in the UK’s asylum system than in other EU countries. We also don’t have a limit on how long a person can be detained under immigration powers, whereas other countries all do.


Of course we’re all free to believe the opposite to these truths if we’re so inclined. But doing so won’t help us face up to the current global refugee crisis and it won’t make it go away either.
Whatever you think about immigration, surely you would want Britain to do more to help people fleeing war and torture. Britain can’t help everyone but we can do more to help – and every man, woman and child who finds safety here is someone who isn’t living in fear of their life.

https://care4calais.org/news/is-the-...s-than-others/


The new immigration laws are, in essence, assuming everyone applying is guilty until proven otherwise, which is against the basic rights of refugees and asylum seekers.

What about economic migrants, not in any danger of persecution or war, but leaving their country in order to seek better economic opportunities somewhere else. Should they also be allowed unrestricted entry? Y or N.

Y or N Troy?

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Jim Davidson nails it..

Jim Davidson spouts white van man shite more like.

Originally Posted by Troy

Still no link?

The figures from 2020 show this statement to not be the case.

Is the UK asylum system more generous than others?

Today I found out that refugees claiming asylum in France get more benefits than those in the UK get. Quite a shock given all the people claiming on social media that the UK is a ‘soft touch’ and that refugees come here for the benefits. But then I do know that four times as many people claim asylum in France every year as they do in the UK. So is our asylum system really so generous?


The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker £37.75. That is lower than in France where people get £42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get £65.63.



Asylum-seekers in the UK can qualify for accommodation and financial help while they wait for their claims to be decided. But this is the same in other European countries. The difference is that other European countries allow asylum-seekers to work if their claims haven’t been decided within a certain number of months. In Germany they can work after three months (4) and in France after six months (5). In the UK, they can only work after 12 months. That is a whole year of living off £5 a day while being unable to contribute their skills to our economy and country. When refugees come to Britain seeking protection, it’s important that they can integrate and get to know people. It would help if they were allowed to work if their claim takes more than six months to process.


Detention is used much more extensively in the UK’s asylum system than in other EU countries. We also don’t have a limit on how long a person can be detained under immigration powers, whereas other countries all do.


Of course we’re all free to believe the opposite to these truths if we’re so inclined. But doing so won’t help us face up to the current global refugee crisis and it won’t make it go away either.
Whatever you think about immigration, surely you would want Britain to do more to help people fleeing war and torture. Britain can’t help everyone but we can do more to help – and every man, woman and child who finds safety here is someone who isn’t living in fear of their life.

https://care4calais.org/news/is-the-...s-than-others/


The new immigration laws are, in essence, assuming everyone applying is guilty until proven otherwise, which is against the basic rights of refugees and asylum seekers.

If this is true and up to date, (August 2020) then it begs the question why so many take dangerous trips at sea to get to UK. Can’t be because the can claim welfare payments for longer while not working surely? Does the UK only get the welfare bludgers? Are asylum seekers obliged to find work after 12 months, or can they claim benefits just by looking for, and declining work? Sounds harsh but there is no follow up to it?

That is a whole year of living off £5 a day while being unable to contribute their skills to our economy and country.

So they all have "skills" do they? I thought UK immigration looks for those.