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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWilly View Post
    An immigrant complaining about other migrants. That's a special kind of hypocrisy!
    There is a world of difference between an immigrant gaining the right to remain through legal process, and a would be immigrant seeking those rights by queue jumping and other illegal means.

    If they deem the wait for permission too long, then there are other safe countries with speedier processes. France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc, but it is their safety from oppression that is the most important thing, is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    If they deem the wait for permission too long, then there are other safe countries with speedier processes. France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc.
    Do you know that for a fact?

    Do France, Sweden and Germany offer less state support for migrants than the UK does?

    Link, please.

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    For illegal, queue jumping, paperless, economic migrants yes. For genuine asylum seekers, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Link, please.
    Take your time.

    I did ask nicely, though.

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    Google it yourself you argumentative oaf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    Google it yourself you argumentative oaf.
    Oh I see.

    You were just spouting off the top of your spammy head again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc,
    senility is a curse. You are so full of shit.


    As cyrille saud: Link, thanks it's 'obvious' . . . you legend of humanitarian aid.



    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    There is a world of difference between an immigrant gaining the right to remain through legal process, and a would be immigrant seeking those rights by queue jumping and other illegal means.
    Luckily we have you to decide who is who and what is what . . . did you slip through the cracks when you came from India?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    There is a world of difference between an immigrant gaining the right to remain through legal process, and a would be immigrant seeking those rights by queue jumping and other illegal means.

    If they deem the wait for permission too long, then there are other safe countries with speedier processes. France, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc, but it is their safety from oppression that is the most important thing, is it not?
    A refugee or an asylum seeker should be free to flee his country of war or persecution and find safe harbour in another country. That includes the UK. He/she should be able to enter that country without fear of arrest or harrassment. That includes the UK.

    There are no ifs or buts.

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    That's all well and good if they're genuine refugees.

    Look how accommodating and helpful the UK have been to Ukrainian families.

    Everyone knows someone who has offered spare rooms etc.

    The problem is it's mostly single men trying their luck and abusing the people of the UKs hospitality.

    Now we have a situation were 6million!! a day is being spent to house these economic migrants in thousands of hotels around the UK.

    A lot of news doesn't get published in the mainstream media.

    Riots, grooming gangs, rapes , assaults etc

    A lot of vloggers and youtubers are covering and reporting on these migrant hotels.

    Bit of a hot potato of a subject .
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    Quote Originally Posted by silly old duffer

    Bit of a hot potato of a subject .
    More like a lot of hot air being blasted about on this topic.

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    Jim Davidson nails it..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    Jim Davidson nails it
    You have no idea what a dimwit (at best) that sentence shows you up as, do you.

    Thankfully this episode has shown that the majority of people in the UK have more braincells, and more heart, than TD's UK based dimwits.

    Even the red tops must frequently be far too nuanced for you.

    Are you a GBTV fan too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    A refugee or an asylum seeker should be free to flee his country of war or persecution and find safe harbour in another country. That includes the UK. He/she should be able to enter that country without fear of arrest or harrassment. That includes the UK.

    There are no ifs or buts.
    That is fine if the rules and procedures of the ECHR are applied fairly, and the asylum seekers and refugees are not given the option to choose their destination by benefit attractions.

    Anyone arriving by illegal means from another country, (mostly within the EU) should be cared for by the nation they arrive at first!

    I wonder why French concentration camps are sited so close to the coast of Northern France?
    Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    ...French concentration camps...
    Is there no limit to the utter garbage BREXITers spout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    nuanced

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    Stick to the entertainment and sports threads.

    Your brain dead 'input' is less distracting there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Is there no limit to the utter garbage BREXITers spout?
    Nothing substantive or even accurate in that. = normal Cy posting failed insult attempt. ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    A refugee or an asylum seeker should be free to flee his country of war or persecution and find safe harbour in another country. That includes the UK. He/she should be able to enter that country without fear of arrest or harrassment. That includes the UK.

    There are no ifs or buts.
    What about economic migrants, not in any danger of persecution or war, but leaving their country in order to seek better economic opportunities somewhere else. Should they also be allowed unrestricted entry? Y or N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    rance, Sweden and Germany to name but three, obviously those countries are less generous with handouts etc
    Still no link?

    The figures from 2020 show this statement to not be the case.

    Is the UK asylum system more generous than others?

    Today I found out that refugees claiming asylum in France get more benefits than those in the UK get. Quite a shock given all the people claiming on social media that the UK is a ‘soft touch’ and that refugees come here for the benefits. But then I do know that four times as many people claim asylum in France every year as they do in the UK. So is our asylum system really so generous?


    The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker 37.75. That is lower than in France where people get 42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get 65.63.



    Asylum-seekers in the UK can qualify for accommodation and financial help while they wait for their claims to be decided. But this is the same in other European countries. The difference is that other European countries allow asylum-seekers to work if their claims haven’t been decided within a certain number of months. In Germany they can work after three months (4) and in France after six months (5). In the UK, they can only work after 12 months. That is a whole year of living off 5 a day while being unable to contribute their skills to our economy and country. When refugees come to Britain seeking protection, it’s important that they can integrate and get to know people. It would help if they were allowed to work if their claim takes more than six months to process.


    Detention is used much more extensively in the UK’s asylum system than in other EU countries. We also don’t have a limit on how long a person can be detained under immigration powers, whereas other countries all do.


    Of course we’re all free to believe the opposite to these truths if we’re so inclined. But doing so won’t help us face up to the current global refugee crisis and it won’t make it go away either.
    Whatever you think about immigration, surely you would want Britain to do more to help people fleeing war and torture. Britain can’t help everyone but we can do more to help – and every man, woman and child who finds safety here is someone who isn’t living in fear of their life.

    https://care4calais.org/news/is-the-...s-than-others/


    The new immigration laws are, in essence, assuming everyone applying is guilty until proven otherwise, which is against the basic rights of refugees and asylum seekers.

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    ^^ Of course, Troy and all the others who don't live in or pay taxes in the UK, don't have to suffer the consequences on local communities or impacts the on already stretched services these economic migrants have find it easy to nod them all through.

    Put your hand in your pocket Troy, Symp et all and then perhaps you could also do so charity work on integration over here, if you're not too busy
    Last edited by malmomike77; 14-03-2023 at 11:37 AM.

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    What about economic migrants, not in any danger of persecution or war, but leaving their country in order to seek better economic opportunities somewhere else. Should they also be allowed unrestricted entry? Y or N.
    Y or N Troy?

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    I think most sensible people agree that genuine refugees fleeing wars or persecution should be welcome, but economic migrants trying to sneak in and stick their snouts in the welfare trough should not.
    There is a process for applying for residence in the UK, and it doesn't involve flushing your passport down the toilet just before you arrive.
    Warning: Be cautious if you are a fragile pink

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    Jim Davidson nails it..
    Jim Davidson spouts white van man shite more like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Still no link?

    The figures from 2020 show this statement to not be the case.

    Is the UK asylum system more generous than others?

    Today I found out that refugees claiming asylum in France get more benefits than those in the UK get. Quite a shock given all the people claiming on social media that the UK is a ‘soft touch’ and that refugees come here for the benefits. But then I do know that four times as many people claim asylum in France every year as they do in the UK. So is our asylum system really so generous?


    The reality is that the refugees who apply for asylum here – usually because of family ties or shared language – don’t have access to any more benefits than in other places. In the UK, the weekly allowance for an adult asylum-seeker 37.75. That is lower than in France where people get 42.84 each week and considerably lower than in Germany where they get 65.63.



    Asylum-seekers in the UK can qualify for accommodation and financial help while they wait for their claims to be decided. But this is the same in other European countries. The difference is that other European countries allow asylum-seekers to work if their claims haven’t been decided within a certain number of months. In Germany they can work after three months (4) and in France after six months (5). In the UK, they can only work after 12 months. That is a whole year of living off 5 a day while being unable to contribute their skills to our economy and country. When refugees come to Britain seeking protection, it’s important that they can integrate and get to know people. It would help if they were allowed to work if their claim takes more than six months to process.


    Detention is used much more extensively in the UK’s asylum system than in other EU countries. We also don’t have a limit on how long a person can be detained under immigration powers, whereas other countries all do.


    Of course we’re all free to believe the opposite to these truths if we’re so inclined. But doing so won’t help us face up to the current global refugee crisis and it won’t make it go away either.
    Whatever you think about immigration, surely you would want Britain to do more to help people fleeing war and torture. Britain can’t help everyone but we can do more to help – and every man, woman and child who finds safety here is someone who isn’t living in fear of their life.

    https://care4calais.org/news/is-the-...s-than-others/


    The new immigration laws are, in essence, assuming everyone applying is guilty until proven otherwise, which is against the basic rights of refugees and asylum seekers.
    If this is true and up to date, (August 2020) then it begs the question why so many take dangerous trips at sea to get to UK. Can’t be because the can claim welfare payments for longer while not working surely? Does the UK only get the welfare bludgers? Are asylum seekers obliged to find work after 12 months, or can they claim benefits just by looking for, and declining work? Sounds harsh but there is no follow up to it?

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    That is a whole year of living off 5 a day while being unable to contribute their skills to our economy and country.
    So they all have "skills" do they? I thought UK immigration looks for those.


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