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    And they might need to shampoo the seat of that safety car, too.

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    Unbelievable.

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    Black Friday Sale: Haas F1 Car 50% off.

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    Unbelievable that he walked away from that with just some minor burns and a broken rib or two...

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    Well we had a massive crash Grosjean caused himself from which he was lucky to escape alive.

    Lance Stroll trying to drive his car upside down.

    A Bahraini steward, after all their good work in the Grosjean crash, letting the side down by running across the track in front of a car.

    And the mighty Lewis Hamilton not only adding another win to his collection, but putting himself in a position where he could beat Schumi's career record for laps in the lead at next week's Bahrain sprint race.

    Mad Max second after a miserable drive from Bottas, and lady luck smiled on Albon to give him his second ever podium.
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    The safety barrier should not have failed like that. It looks like it was the torn metal of the failed safety barrier that cut the car in two, rupturing fuel lines that then exploded. He was lucky to get away with his life. An investigation into the supplier and manufacturer of the safety barriers should be undertaken.

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    Good result for Albon today after that crash in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Good result for Albon today after that crash in practice.
    Indeed. He exceeded my expectations by staying on the black stuff through the first turn.
    He was far behind Max, who had time enough for a free pit stop ahead of him in the final stages and I was watching Norris steadily closing on him from 4th until that safety car brought proceedings to an end.
    To be fair, it isn't easy to get a podium in F1, so well done Albon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well we had a massive crash Grosjean caused himself from which he was lucky to escape alive.
    Horrifying to see that. He is indeed lucky.


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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    The safety barrier should not have failed like that. It looks like it was the torn metal of the failed safety barrier that cut the car in two, rupturing fuel lines that then exploded. He was lucky to get away with his life. An investigation into the supplier and manufacturer of the safety barriers should be undertaken.
    One could also argue that the barrier letting the monocoque penetrate in a 53G impact probably played a major part in saving his life, even if it wasn't designed that way. He hit it virtually head on.

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    Lost amongst the bigger stories was Bottas's weak performance, again. The guy just seems to have rotten luck, time and again.
    He is a top driver in the top car and he is somehow second in the divers' championship despite having hardly turned up at recent race days. Max could still take that second place from him in the remaining races, they are only 12 points apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    Lost amongst the bigger stories was Bottas's weak performance, again. The guy just seems to have rotten luck, time and again.
    He is a top driver in the top car and he is somehow second in the divers' championship despite having hardly turned up at recent race days. Max could still take that second place from him in the remaining races, they are only 12 points apart.
    In fairness he collected a puncture very early on that put him right at the back.

    On another day, finishing in the points from there would have been seen as respectable.

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    Fun Fact: The two Bahraini civil defence employees who jumped in to fight the fire have both received a big promotion.

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    How Romain Grosjean's fiery Bahrain GP horror crash unfolded... and how the halo saved his life.


    Grosjean's accident was one of F1's most horrifying in decades. We analyse how it happened and why the halo was crucial in his survival

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    30 November 2020 • 2:19pm

    A fire is pictured following the crash of Romain Grosjean of France and Haas F1 during the F1 Grand Prix of Bahrain at Bahrain International Circuit on November 29, 2020 in Bahrain, Bahrain




    Grosjean somehow managed to walk away from this crash with only minor burns CREDIT: Getty Images Europe

    Crashes like Romain Grosjean’s at the Bahrain Grand Prix are not supposed to happen in Formula One anymore. The days of barriers splitting and cars becoming fireballs on impact were thought to be long gone.

    On Sunday, the F1 world and beyond held its collective breath before images of Grosjean emerging from the fiery wreck of his Haas car confirmed his safety. That he could do so is, of course, due to the decades of work that F1 and the FIA have undertaken. No doubt the halo — controversially introduced in 2018 — played a part in saving a life.

    But there are still significant question marks over the accident and its consequences. We break down what happened and how Grosjean was able to walk away.

    How did the accident happen?

    At the start of the race, Grosjean was starting towards the back in his Haas. As the pack closed on the straight between turns three and four on lap one, he made a move to the right of the track, seemingly to overtake and to avoid crashing into his team-mate Kevin Magnussen ahead, who was travelling more slowly.

    But in doing so his Haas went across the front of Daniil Kvyat’s AlphaTauri; Grosjean’s rear right tyre connecting with Kvyat’s front left. This speared him off towards the nearby barrier at an angle of around 40 degrees.



    At this point, at that speed and with the barrier perhaps only 50 metres maximum away, an accident was unavoidable. Haas say that the speed at impact was 137mph and at 53G. But in almost all cases a car hitting a barrier in this manner, at this speed, does not — and should not — result in such horrific consequences.

    Romain Grosjean's escape from seemingly certain death was as close to a miraculous vision as any sport has seen.


    What happened once Grosjean’s car hit the barriers?


    It was immediately clear that something had gone catastrophically wrong. Cars bursting into flames on impact is a feature of the bad old days of F1. It just doesn’t happen in 2020.

    Naturally, until Grosjean was seen safe on his feet, albeit with help, no replays were shown. It was not until he was in the ambulance that we could see the shocking scale of the wreckage.

    Astoundingly, Grosjean’s car had pierced the Armco barriers and ended up the other side. Or at least the front of his car — including the crucial “survival cell” — had; the rear end was sitting detached, 10 or so metres away, having split away on impact.

    Fire marshals put out a fire on Haas F1's French driver Romain Grosjean's car during the Bahrain Formula One Grand Prix at the Bahrain International Circuit in the city of Sakhir on November 29, 2020




    Grosjean's car burst into flames on impact CREDIT: BRYN LENNON

    At this point Grosjean was sitting in an inferno. It would be around another 20 seconds before somehow managed to pull himself out of the car and leap over the barriers, losing a boot in the process. He emerged flapping his hands into the arms of Dr Ian Roberts and FIA medical car driver Alan van der Merwe, with his helmet clearly badly scorched, the visor melted under the intense heat.

    “As we arrive — very odd scene. Just to stop and then looking to the right and at that point I could see Romain trying to get up. We needed some way of trying to get to him,” Roberts told Sky Sports F1.


    Dr Ian Roberts helps Grosjean over the barriers from his flaming car CREDIT: Peter Fox /Getty Images Europe
    “We’ve got the marshal with the extinguisher and the extinguisher was just enough to push the flame away as Romain got high enough — and then reached over and pulled him over the barrier.”

    “My face was a bit singed,” Roberts added.

    “A lot of this is preparation but we’ve not seen this combination before,” van der Merwe added. “I’ve not seen fire like this before in my stint as a medical driver. We can only be prepared as our own ideas. This was crazy, honestly to get there and see half the car and the other half nowhere to be seen and just a huge ball of flames.”

    Although it was a significant fire — and at that point the cars have 100kg of fuel onboard — F1’s managing director of motorsport Ross Brawn initially said that he did not believe it was a fire of that amount of fuel.

    Did the halo save Grosjean’s life?



    There can be little doubt about that without the halo we would have seen a far worse outcome than burns to Grosjean's hands and feet. It would quite likely have been the worst possible outcome. Looking at the incredible crash images of the barrier — with a gaping hole and mangled steel — and the wreckage of Grosjean’s “survival cell” you can see the halo’s structural integrity intact.


    Had the halo not been there then the first thing that would have hit the barriers at that height would have been Grosjean's head. Its construction also allowed him space to free himself from the tangled metal.

    The titanium construction was not universally loved when it was introduced two years ago and was derided by many drivers and others involved in the sport as unnecessary and ugly. But several incidents, such as Charles Leclerc’s incredible near-miss in Belgium in 2018, have forced most into changing their minds.

    Indeed, from his hospital bed on Sunday, Grosjean himself admitted that he was not in favour initially, but called it “the greatest thing” introduced to F1 and that it saved his life.


    Still, although the fundamental strength and integrity of the device appeared to save a life it was never designed for an incident such as this. Barriers should not split in two in this manner. That has to the most concerning issue, along with the car catching fire in the way it did.

    Were Grosjean knocked unconscious by the force of the considerable crash, he would not have been able to extract himself from his burning car and those attending immediately afterwards — who do not have the level of fire protection the drivers have — might have struggled to pull him from the wreckage.

    What went wrong?


    It is difficult to say, and of course full investigations will be taking place. Speaking after the race had finished, F1’s Ross Brawn was candid about how concerning the issue with the barrier was but called the halo a “lifesaver”.

    “Undoubtedly we’ve got to do a very deep analysis of all of the things that occurred because there were a number of things that shouldn’t have occurred,” he told Sky Sports F1.

    “We’ve got to look at how everything failed, because everything is designed to fail in a progression. But a crash that catastrophic, obviously things failed in an unpredictable way,” Brawn said.

    This was an unusual place to crash but that is almost irrelevant. Barriers should be able to withstand forces far greater than this without reacting how they did. In fact, they normally do, even without the addition of the Tecpro barriers in front, designed to absorb some of the initial impact.

    There are huge questions about how the car split in two and what caused this enormous, instantaneous fire, with Brawn's talk of things failing unpredictably a very salient point.

    At present, it seems most likely that the barrier failing would have caused the car to split — the front wedged in and the force causing the rear to split — in a way that led to the fire. It is impossible to know until further investigation.

    The fact that the crash, before impact, looked so relatively routine — and by no means at an excessively high speed or at a particularly strange angle — is now the biggest concern, now we know of the relative good health of Grosjean himself.

    How Romain Grosjean's fiery Bahrain GP horror crash unfolded... and how the halo saved his life

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    Well that is an interestingly illustrated piece.



    I am however baffled by whatever fucking drugs the author was on when he wrote:

    The fact that the crash, before impact, looked so relatively routine — and by no means at an excessively high speed or at a particularly strange angle — is now the biggest concern, now we know of the relative good health of Grosjean himself.
    - The speed was estimated at 200kph on a straight after a high speed turn with a big run off area.
    - The barrier was designed for side impact, not a fucking 90 degree straight on shunt.

    The accident was caused because Grosjean pulled a fast turn without looking with the intention of getting clear air on the right side of the track.

    He's always been an aggressive, dangerous driver and in his early career was dubbed a "first lap nutcase" by Webber, and was actually the first driver since 1994 to be banned for his deeds in Belgium in 2012.

    I doubt the rest of the drivers will miss him when he leaves.
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    Snubby, you can cheer on Mad Max or Bottas this week! *

    Hammy has got the 'rona so he'll be staying in his chalet at the Ritz Carlton instead of racing!



    * Or whoever Mercedes bring in as a replacement


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    Well this is interesting.

    What are the chances he parks it in the wall in FP1?



    The Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team is delighted to announce that George Russell will race for the team at this weekend's Sakhir GP, replacing Lewis Hamilton who is unable to compete.
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    For those that don't know, they are using the Outer track for this race. Going to be fast laps and lots of them.

    George better get his braking zones right...

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    Well George tiptoed around for the first few laps but once he got used to the car and exchanged a few thoughts with Bono for the mechanics, he fair flew around the track. FP1 timings are not that important, but it shows he's not afraid to be in the beast. Valteri is far sulking in comparison. They are doing a lap in under a minute (well under 55 seconds tbh) in just FP.


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    Young Mick Schumacher, who is top of the F2 standings, showed he has his fathers bad habits when he tried to muscle in front just before the Bahrain turn one braking zone and cut up the car he overtook in the last attempt at qualifying. The resulting collision means he starts in 18th and needs to put in a good race to stay at the top of the table. I'm sure the F1 drivers are looking forward to having a Grosjean replacement in the lineup next year when he takes the wheel of the Haas (presumably because he can generate some sympathetic family name sponsorship).

    This short track (3.5km) is going to make things interesting, especially in the F2 race and F1 Q1. Lots of cars and a lot less track. Should be a good weekend's racing.

    The F2 race is 19 hours 36 minutes from now whatever the fuck that is in your timezone (the F2 site is shit).

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    George has settled into this car nicely.

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    I reckon a good troll of Harry might be nice. This is where Lewis Hamilton learned to race.


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