Rugby World Cup 2019

**happynz** · 16-07-2019, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If you want to judge form there is an upcoming Southern Hemisphere tournament to come.

Starting this weekend. Should be good.

**Pragmatic** · 16-07-2019, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

See Post #13.

Thanks Hairy.

**prawnograph** · 19-07-2019, 08:38 AM

Argentina v All Blacks
Buenos Aires
Kick-off: 3.05PM, Saturday 20 July (Sunday 21 July 1.05am Thailand , 6.05am NZ)

Referee: Angus Gardner (Australia)
Assistant Referees: Andrew Brace (Ireland), Alexandre Ruiz (France)
TMO: Graham Hughes (England)

Argentina: 15 Emiliano Boffelli, 14 Matías Moroni, 13 Matías Orlando, 12 Jerónimo de la Fuente, 11 Ramiro Moyano, 10 Nicolás Sánchez, 9 Tomás Cubelli, 8 Javier Ortega Desio, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Pablo Matera, 5 Tomás Lavanini, 4 Guido Petti, 3 Juan Figallo, 2 Agustín Creevy, 1 Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro
Subs: 16 Julián Montoya, 17 Mayco Vivas, 18 Santiago Medrano, 19 Matías Alemanno, 20 Tomás Lezana, 21 Felipe Ezcurra, 22 Joaquín Díaz Bonilla, 23 Joaquín Tuculet

The All Blacks matchday 23 sees a blend of experience and youth with five uncapped All Blacks named in the absence of most Crusaders players; winger Sevu Reece will make his Test debut on the right wing, while the uncapped Atu Moli and new All Blacks Luke Jacobson, Josh Ioane and Braydon Ennor are all named on the bench.
(Test caps in brackets. * new cap)

1. Ofa Tuungafasi (26) 2. Dane Coles (60) 3. Angus Ta'avao (3) 4. Brodie Retallick (75) 5. Patrick Tuipulotu (21) 6. Vaea Fifita (9) 7. Sam Cane - captain (58) 8. Ardie Savea (35)
9. Aaron Smith (82) 10. Beauden Barrett (73) 11. Jordie Barrett (9) 12. Ngani Laumape (10) 13. Anton Lienert-Brown (33) 14. Sevu Reece * 15. Ben Smith (72)
Subs: 16. Liam Coltman (4) 17. Atu Moli * 18. Nepo Laulala (17) 19. Jackson Hemopo (3) 20. Luke Jacobson * 21. Brad Weber (1) 22. Josh Ioane * 23. Braydon Ennor *

**prawnograph** · 19-07-2019, 08:50 AM

South Africa v Australia

Date: Saturday, July 20
Venue: Ellis Park, Johannesburg
Kick-off: 17:05 local (16:05 BST, 15:05 GMT)
Referee: Paul Williams (New Zealand)
Assistant Referees: Matthew Carley (England), Karl Dickson (England)

South Africa: 15 Warrick Gelant, 14 S’bu Nkosi, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Herschel Jantjies, 8 Francois Louw, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Rynhardt Elstadt, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth (c), 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Beast Mtawarira
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Lizo Gqoboka, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 Marvin Orie, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Cobus Reinach, 22 Frans Steyn, 23 Dillyn Leyds

Australia: 15 Tom Banks, 14 Dane Haylett-Petty, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Samu Kerevi, 11 Reece Hodge, 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Nic White, 8 Isi Naisarani, 7 Michael Hooper (c), 6 Lukhan Salakaia-Loto, 5 Rory Arnold, 4 Izack Rodda, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Folau Fainga’a, 1 James Slipper
Replacements: 16 Jordan Uelese, 17 Harry Johnson-Holmes, 18 Taniela Tupou, 19 Rob Simmons, 20 Jack Dempsey, 21 Will Genia, 22 Matt To’omua, 23 Kurtley Beale

**Bettyboo** · 19-07-2019, 08:51 AM

^ That's an average 9&10 for the Convicts, and an even more average 9&10 for the Bokks.

We will see if the Argies are as good as the Super Rugby hinted at (I suspect they are not, and will come last in the 4-way; yep, even behind the Aussies).

**headhunter** · 19-07-2019, 10:04 AM

aussie coaching staff ON THE LINE

**happynz** · 19-07-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by prawnograph

1. Ofa Tuungafasi (26) 2. Dane Coles (60) 3. Angus Ta'avao (3) 4. Brodie Retallick (75) 5. Patrick Tuipulotu (21) 6. Vaea Fifita (9) 7. Sam Cane - captain (58) 8. Ardie Savea (35)
9. Aaron Smith (82) 10. Beauden Barrett (73) 11. Jordie Barrett (9) 12. Ngani Laumape (10) 13. Anton Lienert-Brown (33) 14. Sevu Reece * 15. Ben Smith (72)
Subs: 16. Liam Coltman (4) 17. Atu Moli * 18. Nepo Laulala (17) 19. Jackson Hemopo (3) 20. Luke Jacobson * 21. Brad Weber (1) 22. Josh Ioane * 23. Braydon Ennor *

That's not a weak All Blacks side though only two Crusaders, both on AB debut. The depth of the Cantabrian franchise is evidenced by Ennor getting a call up even though he wasn't even a regular starter for the Crusaders (no disrespect towards Ennor as he's a fabulous player). I reckon if the RWC included the Crusaders (representing the People's Republic of Christchurch) in the comp the Red & Black would have a shot at the trophy.

**buriramboy** · 19-07-2019, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ That's an average 9&10 for the Convicts, and an even more average 9&10 for the Bokks.

We will see if the Argies are as good as the Super Rugby hinted at (I suspect they are not, and will come last in the 4-way; yep, even behind the Aussies).

They made the semis in the last world cup and are a better side now and they beat the Aussies in OZland in last years championship and I can see them doing so again as Australia are pretty shit at the moment.

**Bettyboo** · 19-07-2019, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

They made the semis in the last world cup and are a better side now and they beat the Aussies in OZland in last years championship and I can see them doing so again as Australia are pretty shit at the moment.

Has this chap visited Scotland since 2015?

**buriramboy** · 19-07-2019, 01:55 PM

An absolute disgrace that decision, cost me a few quid too as had a lump on Scotland at 13/2 to beat Australia.

**Bettyboo** · 19-07-2019, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

An absolute disgrace that decision, cost me a few quid too as had a lump on Scotland at 13/2 to beat Australia.

Yeah, it was a shame. Scotland fuked up at the line-out, so in some ways only themselves to blame, but they should've won that game on merit.

**harrybarracuda** · 20-07-2019, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Yeah, it was a shame. Scotland fuked up at the line-out, so in some ways only themselves to blame, but they should've won that game on merit.

Is that an alternative scoring system?

**buriramboy** · 20-07-2019, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Is that an alternative scoring system?

No, Scotland were winning and Australia got awarded a penalty that shouldn't have been given which they kicked and won the game.

Anyway on a positive note my tickets finally came through for Scotland v France on August 24 at Murrayfield.

**headhunter** · 21-07-2019, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by headhunter

aussie coaching staff ON THE LINE

if they don't win next week,the ausie staff will be walking back. stuffed yesterday by S.A. and what a thriller it will be next week againt the PUMAS.

**prawnograph** · 21-07-2019, 08:57 AM

Impressive win from SA scoring five converted tries v Wallabies

The Springboks named three debutants in their squad, including starting halfback Herschel Jantjies, to face the Wallabies at Ellis Park on Saturday.
Only half a dozen of the line-up could be considered first-choice players, while a group of 15 have already departed for New Zealand to prepare for the test against the world No.1 side in Wellington next weekend.

**headhunter** · 21-07-2019, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by prawnograph

Impressive win from SA scoring five converted tries v Wallabies

The Springboks named three debutants in their squad, including starting halfback Herschel Jantjies, to face the Wallabies at Ellis Park on Saturday.
Only half a dozen of the line-up could be considered first-choice players, while a group of 15 have already departed for New Zealand to prepare for the test against the world No.1 side in Wellington next weekend.

haven't watched much from the springboks,as I always thought their way of playing rugby was bordering on the line of THUGGERY.they got away with it for so long,but now they seemed to have been able to control their nasty side of being a BOK.

**headhunter** · 21-07-2019, 09:20 AM

not sure if the A,BS.will be favs.to win the world cup,i think its england,SA.ABS.? with if they can take the knocks in their group,a fit team will see WALES go close.
good refs.including the tmo might decide the result.

**Switch** · 21-07-2019, 01:57 PM

Just watching the highlights of the Boks Aus game. Those Boks are scary quick and strong. Or did the aussies just make them look good?

**Bettyboo** · 21-07-2019, 03:32 PM

Meh, 3 illegal tries by the Bokks...

**happynz** · 21-07-2019, 03:54 PM

Argentina put up a brave fight and almost nabbed a win after the hooter, but the All Blacks prevailed 20-16.

**buriramboy** · 21-07-2019, 05:18 PM

People continue to underestimate the Argies, I expect them to at least match their performance of the last world cup as in getting to the semis and how the draw could work out a possible final appearance.

**prawnograph** · 27-07-2019, 04:11 AM

Today:

All Blacks v Springboks
2:35pm (Thai-time), July 27
Westpac Stadium, Wellington

Wallabies v Pumas
4:45pm, July 27
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane

And an odd world rankings possibility, if SA win in Wellington by 15+ the ABs lose their world #1 ranking (held since Nov 2009) to Wales, a team who last beat them in 1953

New Zealand vs South Africa

If New Zealand lose by more than 15 points, Wales will replace them at the top of the World Rugby rankings.

The Springboks can climb to fourth with a win or a draw and cannot drop lower than five. South Africa picked up just over seven-tenths of a rating point for the victory over Australia. But that reduced the gap between them and England to a just under a point.

Australia vs Argentina

Australia can’t improve on their ranking, but if they lose, they will drop below Scotland to seventh. If the Wallabies lose by more than 15 – and Fiji beat Japan by the same margin, they will drop even further – to below Fiji.

A win for Argentina could see their ranking improve to seventh, but that depends on the margin as well as results elsewhere.

**Bettyboo** · 27-07-2019, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

People continue to underestimate the Argies, I expect them to at least match their performance of the last world cup as in getting to the semis and how the draw could work out a possible final appearance.

I see it the other way, I doubt they'll go far or beat any of the top 5 or 6 teams. I reckon Scotland would beat them if they play in the WC. Of course, when we lose to France and Argentina and come home early I'll be crying a different tune...

**David48atTD** · 27-07-2019, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by prawnograph

Today:

All Blacks v Springboks
2:35pm (Thai-time), July 27
Westpac Stadium, Wellington

Cricfree WebPlayer ... free link, just have to work through the dodgy pages.

Link works, I'm watching now

NZ are $1.21 or -11.5

**happynz** · 27-07-2019, 03:04 PM

South Africa dominating the first 25 minutes...

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