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    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    no coach and no system as a result.
    So basically the Rams model for success then?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    Dj is wasted with line and qb and system. Same as gurley last year. Look at him now. Legit mvp candidate.
    Yep, AZ needs new blood behind the wheel. No argument there.

    They are completely decimated with injuries, have horribly shitty coaching, are starting a third string QB, and yet still competing most weeks. Same record as the Raiders with Carr. Yes, AZ should be much better off than the Raiders moving forward, assuming they draft a decent QB.

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    Ari competed against Jax but otherwise has been pummeled by good teams. Wow competing against sf and was. Oh how the bar been lowered.

    You also don’t have wrs. So no lines, no qb, no coach or system. Set for success!

    in comparison, oak has far more talent on both sides. Just need a couple more legit starters on d and a better dc.

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    And the rams have far more talent than ari as well. Arians has fucked you over badly. You’ll realize soon enough.

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    Arizona lost the most talented position player in the league in game one and has started scrubs at QB for half the season. Raiders have been starting their franchise QB.

    Arizona has the same record as the Raiders. You can try and argue technicalities all you want but that's tough to get around

    I'm gonna stick with Arizona being in better position moving forward. They certainly have a few holes, but that's all teams. Their D is solid with young/prime talent. Rookie Budda Baker is a beast, Patrick Peterson is super solid and in his prime, Chandler Jones is arguably the defensive MVP of the entire league, plus they will get Golden back next year (he beat Jones for team lead in sacks just last season, and Jones was a total monster). The only real issue the D has is its horrible coordinator. The D itself is an embarrassment of riches when it comes to talent. D is not an issue for the foreseeable future.

    Needs are OL, WR, QB. Nothing that can't be fixed via one or two good drafts and free agency periods. Its not really much of a rebuild. Fire the coaches, free up some cap space, sign a few free agents, have a good draft. That's the road back.
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    carr was out for 2 gms. johnson is great but HBs dont win gms, unfortunately. olines and QBs do.

    chandler jones the defensive mvp? what are you smoking!!?? ari gives up 24/gm. thats good for 23rd in the lg. who cares about his sacks lol

    i think youre incredibly optimistic considering you have maybe 1/5 of the required pie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    who cares about his sacks lol
    He's leading the league in sacks and tackles for a loss while being double teamed the entire year but ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    carr was out for 2 gms.
    Cool story bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    He's leading the league in sacks and tackles for a loss while being double teamed the entire year but ok.
    on a below avg D. who cares! he shouldnt even be top 10 in voting. just a stat guy in garbage time. woohoo. donald does more than jones ever could dream of.

    carr was out for 1.5 gms. not 2 full gms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    on a below avg D. who cares!
    How is the fact that he is able to do these things with no help, while being double teamed by the best players the other team has to throw at him week after week not incredibly impressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    just a stat guy in garbage time.
    Factually incorrect

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    donald does more than jones ever could dream of.
    Any metrics you want to throw out there to support this? Jones is crushing him in the stat line, this year and every year.

    Four more sacks this year and ten more tackles for loss. Jones has 25 of those. The next closest guy in the league has 20. That's a freaking blowout. You trying to argue all those stats came in the fourth quarter? That a guy could destroy the entire league by a country mile because he's doing good in garbage time?

    Your argument is laughable. Think McFly

    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post
    he shouldnt even be top 10 in voting.
    Now you're just being salty about it LMAO
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    why should someone whose collective unit sux be rewarded for stats? its a team game. should we give awards to guys who go for INTs every time and then get burned when they fail? how about a sack leader on a 6-10 team with a bottom 5 D? those guys get awards? i dont think so. defensive mvp goes to the best player on a GOOD d. next youre going to clamor about how tackle leaders on shitty teams should get accolades for their effort lol

    folks who should be ahead of jones:

    campbell
    griffen
    bosa (borderline)
    suggs
    donald
    ngakoue
    peppers
    weddle
    bouye

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    have you seen donald play? he disrupts nearly every play hes on the field. hes the single most dominant force in the lg this yr.

    how does ari give up so many pts when jones is so so dominant? wonder how many times he fails to follow his gap duty and improvs unnecessarily. someone so dominant with such a gifted secondary behind him must surely be able to get his unit to lg avg status. but nope. chandlers unit gives up 24/gm. right up there with the mighty mighty 49ers, who are loaded with nothing but talent lol

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    Uh huh.

    See you tomorrow. Hopefully you've got something better than whatever that was.

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    dont think you actually know what youre looking at when you watch...you seriously think jones is on donalds level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    how about Tennessee they are a good club
    a good club, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    You know that there are. Are you looking to have a troll?
    Just busting your balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redhaze View Post
    Arizona lost the most talented position player in the league in game one


    settle down, sport.

    johnson's talented, but there are several more talented position players in the league.....gronkowski and brown, for example.



    this team is going nowhere...and hasn't been anywhere....the numbers prove that they're nothing but a mediocre franchise.


    last year arizona was 7-8-1.....this year they're 6-8 with 2 to play.....keep your fingers crossed and maybe they'll hit .500 this season!

    need a larger sample size?

    in this decade they're 65 and 60

    8 seasons...and a total of 5 games over .500


    average+mediocre+middling=arizona cardinals

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    I see you're attempting to form coherent thoughts and whole sentences. Stick with it, you'll get there!

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    Good editorial here on the slowing down of the Seahawks. What do you think Snub?

    Mike Freeman's 10-Point Stance: It's Finally Time to Say R.I.P. to the LOB | Bleacher Report

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    What do you think Snub?
    I am not going to disagree. We need to retool at this point. Big changes are coming no doubt and the list of needs is long. We need an O line, a RB and to make some big changes on D. It was a good run with this D and I think it was one of the greatest ever in the NFL but the ride has come to an end.

    Personally I hope they do not get in the playoffs. I do not need to see them lose on that stage. With all the injuries to the D we are just not capable of getting it done at this point.

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    all sea needs is to upgrade the oline and rework the D personnel somewhat. they know how to find D prospects better than anybody so that will sort itself out quickly. wilson is a top 5 QB with a decent oline. backs are dime a dozen. maybe another legit WR wouldnt hurt.

    the pecking order in the NFC WEST going forward:

    RAMS
    HAWKS
    49ERS
    CARDS

    jimmy g will be in for a rude awakening this week. his success has been way overblown, but hes an upgrade over what they were throwing out there previously.

    how low the cards go is still up for debate. likely a complete turnover of the coaching staff...do the D studs stay if its 4-12 next yr? if they hit bottom at 3-13/4-12 next season and lose some dudes to holdouts, etc. then it might be 4-5 yrs before they reach .500 again. 49ers will only improve. rams are built for many yrs to come. hawks will reload fast. could be a few yrs of 2-4/1-5 in the div.

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    Potential huge problem for the Rams

    Rams kZuerleicker Greg Zuerlein, the NFL’s scoring leader, placed on injured reserve because of back issue kicker Greg Zuerlein, the NFL’s scoring leader, placed on injured reserve because of back issue

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    Oops double post
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    Quote Originally Posted by samsara View Post

    how low the cards go is still up for debate. likely a complete turnover of the coaching staff...do the D studs stay if its 4-12 next yr?
    They lost more starters than nearly anyone in the league to IR, are playing with a third string QB, and are still winning half their games.

    But somehow they are going to be 4-12 next year.

    Care to put a wager on this?

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    ^ It Seems this year that more teams lost more players do to injury.

    I don't count, but I don't recall so many injuries in previous years. Lots of players going down and many very important players going on IR for more than a couple games.

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    Niners are trying hard to get another win vs Jacksonville. Last two minutes, Jaqs have the ball and are driving 37-27 Niners. Niners 44 points in total..

    4 in a row and Samsara eats crow!!!! Love it...

    No. 1 defense no problem for Garoppolo in 49ers’ 44-33 win over Jaguars

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    ^ Garappolo is a great edition.

    Is the front office getting smart people to rebuild during the off-season?

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