Thread: The 2015 Six Nations Rugby. (RWC Warm Up)

The Six Nations Outright 2015

Friday 6th February 2015, 20:05

Outright Betting Hide
Ireland
15/8

England
2/1

Wales
3/1

France
11/2

Scotland
33/1

Italy
500/1

No GS this year. I think Ireland will win if they can get Sexton back. If not it would be a shoot out between Ireland and Wales. England 3rd, Scotland 4th, France and Italy fighting it out for 5th and 6th.

Fixtures



Fri 6th February

• Wales 20:05 England

Sat 7th February

• Italy 14:30 Ireland
• France 17:00 Scotland

Sat 14th February

• England 14:30 Italy
• Ireland 17:00 France

Sun 15th February

• Scotland 15:00 Wales

Sat 28th February

• Scotland 14:30 Italy
• France 17:00 Wales

Sun 1st March

• Ireland 15:00 England

Sat 14th March

• Wales 14:30 Ireland
• England 17:00 Scotland

Sun 15th March

• Italy 15:00 France

I love seeing the Brits beating the shit out of each other.

Being of English and Irish heritage I'm going for the Taffs to win it.

England could not wish for a more demanding test of their depth and it will give a good indication of their prospects for RWC.
Huge injury list for 1st choice players. Wales away to start the campaign. Ireland away and we don't play unpredictable France at home until 28 Feb by which time they may have got their shit together. Or maybe not.
May give Lancaster some opportunity to test his beliefs? I think he has done extremely well since he took over. When many were calling for Burgess to be in the test squad, Lancaster was proved right according to Burgess' shit game for the Saxons last night.
I still think his system is too rigid and stifles talent like Brown, Care and more yet, Cipriani.
Hoping to catch the Wales game live, depending on how the new 'Licencing Laws' are applied.

Originally Posted by chassamui

England could not wish for a more demanding test of their depth and it will give a good indication of their prospects for RWC.
Huge injury list for 1st choice players. Wales away to start the campaign. Ireland away and we don't play unpredictable France at home until 28 Feb by which time they may have got their shit together. Or maybe not.
May give Lancaster some opportunity to test his beliefs? I think he has done extremely well since he took over. When many were calling for Burgess to be in the test squad, Lancaster was proved right according to Burgess' shit game for the Saxons last night.
I still think his system is too rigid and stifles talent like Brown, Care and more yet, Cipriani.
Hoping to catch the Wales game live, depending on how the new 'Licencing Laws' are applied.

Wales away?..... Please check.... It's slated for Millenium Stadium ( Cardiff Arms Park really)

The England injuries in some areas are a good thing. Farrell is pish so now he will not be selected because no matter how much his dad bullies lancaster, he simply can not be selected. Shame 36 can't pick up a niggle as well so that we can have a decent attacking center partnership for a change.

Originally Posted by toslti

Wales away?..... Please check.... It's slated for Millenium Stadium ( Cardiff Arms Park really)

It's correct. England play Wales away from Twickenham, in Wales, Cardiff, Millenium Stadium.

The Millenium Stadium and the National stadium both sit side by side on ground formerly known as the Cardiff Arms Park. The national stadium is the former ground of Cardiff RUFC (The Blues) and has a capacity of 9000. Cardiff Blues have played at Cardiff City FC stadium and the National stadium intermittently in recent years. They tend to use the larger capacity football ground for derby games against Ospreys and Scarletts.
You are therefore quite correct sir. The Wales England game next week will be played at the Millenium Statium on the grounds of the former Cardiff Arms Park, next door to the National stadium formerly know as Cardiff Arms Park.

The original Arms park had a cricket ground attached. The two Rugby stadiums on site used to run east to west. With the development of The Millenium Stadium and re-development of the Cardiff RUFC grounds in the late 90s, both grounds are now in North South orientation.

More at:Cardiff Arms Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just read up on Burgess effort, sounded terrible.
He was not that dopey at club level, put ut down to nerves.
They refused to let him be interviewed after...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The Irish could do anything, but rarely reach their potential

Surprised The Irish are not favourites. Their club game has sufferd as their international game has blossomed. No BOD this year. Sexton, and others back for the big games.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

solid and consistently performing Garlic Munchers...

You would do better picking lottery tickets.

I don't see us finishing in the top 3, but once the folks come back from injury and we have, perhaps, confidence in a couple of ball players in the backline, we should be ready to go at WC time; it'll be nice to be an underdog at home with lots of players coming back from injury.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Just read up on Burgess effort, sounded terrible.
He was not that dopey at club level, put ut down to nerves.
They refused to let him be interviewed after...

What happened at Bath is that the other players tend to cut him out a bit probably subconsciously thinking he might be a liability. He's not though so when he gets the trust of those around him he will get more action which is what he needs. I tip him to make the full England bench at some point in this 6 nations.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Sam Burgess struggles as England Saxons clinch victory over Ireland Wolfhounds
from Skysports. He's far from the complete Union convert at this stage...

Originally Posted by pseudolus

What happened at Bath is that the other players tend to cut him out a bit probably subconsciously thinking he might be a liability. He's not though so when he gets the trust of those around him he will get more action which is what he needs.

Both comments correct...but have no doubt he is an outstanding rugby player

Originally Posted by chassamui

Wales 20:05 England

C'mon Wales

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by toslti

Wales away?..... Please check.... It's slated for Millenium Stadium ( Cardiff Arms Park really)

It's correct. England play Wales away from Twickenham, in Wales, Cardiff, Millenium Stadium.

The Millenium Stadium and the National stadium both sit side by side on ground formerly known as the Cardiff Arms Park. The national stadium is the former ground of Cardiff RUFC (The Blues) and has a capacity of 9000. Cardiff Blues have played at Cardiff City FC stadium and the National stadium intermittently in recent years. They tend to use the larger capacity football ground for derby games against Ospreys and Scarletts.
You are therefore quite correct sir. The Wales England game next week will be played at the Millenium Statium on the grounds of the former Cardiff Arms Park, next door to the National stadium formerly know as Cardiff Arms Park.

The original Arms park had a cricket ground attached. The two Rugby stadiums on site used to run east to west. With the development of The Millenium Stadium and re-development of the Cardiff RUFC grounds in the late 90s, both grounds are now in North South orientation.

More at:Cardiff Arms Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, what a load of nonsense..... The national Stadium is gone, it was where the Millenium Stadium is. the 9000 seater stadium is Cardiff Arms Park. Cardiff RFC are not the Blues and so on.,...

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Well, what a load of nonsense..... The national Stadium is gone, it was where the Millenium Stadium is. the 9000 seater stadium is Cardiff Arms Park

These are quotes I cherry picked because the history, background and local nomenclature does not follow any kind of pattern. The park as a whole is also the name given to what the national stadium used to be, and also the name used by some for the rugby club ground that now sits alongside the millenium stadium.
As I am sure you are aware, the park originally consisted of a rugby ground, a cricket club and a bowls club. The sum has always been bigger than the parts.
For the benefit of other readers I have tried to make some sense of the confusing status of the park over the period where I gained my love of rugby.
It is not as simple as it may seem to some.i.e. Cardiff Arms Park was demolished and replaced by the Millenium stadium. There's a bit more to it than that.
My love of the game stems from the era of Barry John, JPR, Gareth Edwards, Windsor Cobnor Wheel Gravell The Davies' etc.
It was easy to connect for me because my Dad and grandparents were Welsh. At some point I had to admit that despite the glory days I was born English.
Always a soft spot for the ancestors though.
Apologies if my precis of the stadium history added to the confusion.

Wales’ forwards coach Robin McBryde believes the scrum will be a key area in the Six Nations opener against England at the Millennium Stadium. Photograph: Huw Evans/Rex Paul Rees
Saturday 31 January 2015 22.00 GMT

Wales have been in camp for a week and a topic of conversation has been the match against England. Not the 30-3 victory at the Millennium Stadium two years ago that snatched the Six Nations crown from a side chasing the grand slam, but the 29-18 defeat at Twickenham last March, which ended their hopes of a third consecutive title.
Their 2013 victory in Cardiff had been based on a dominant scrum that prompted the referee, Steve Walsh, to penalise England from start to finish, but Wales struggled up front with the same front row last year and lost the prop Gethin Jenkins to the sin-bin on 53 minutes for not scrummaging straight.
The referee then was Romain Poite, and Jérôme Garcès – another Frenchman who is not disinclined to sanction props who do not scrummage according to the laws – will be in charge at the Millennium Stadium on Friday. Even without Adam Jones, the tight-head prop who has retired from international rugby after being left out of the Wales squad, there will be at least four Lions front-rowers involved in an area both sides believe will, once more, be a key area of the game.

Stuart Lancaster prepares England for noise of Six Nations in Wales



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“The man in the middle is important,” said Robin McBryde, the Wales forwards coach. “In the last two games against England, we have fallen on the wrong side of one referee, but not the other. We have regular contact with the [World Rugby] head of referees, Joël Jutge, and, after reviewing Garcès’s recent performances, he knows what he is looking for.
“England have strength in depth in the front five: their players are used to a highly competitive set-piece game in the Premiership and our players who are based there say how much scrummaging they do in training. We have to make sure we are as legal and effective as we can be.”
McBryde was less than impressed with Poite’s refereeing of the scrum at Twickenham and wrote to Jutge for an explanation of his interpretations. The year before, England had been unhappy with Walsh continually penalising their props, and the scrum – despite its diminishing returns in terms of attacking opportunities – will be a key battleground, and one that will be decided by the way the whistle blows.

George Ford’s stopping power for England set for stern test by Wales



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“When you play against a team, your motivation is the last time you played them,” said McBryde. “We did not have a good day against England last year. I imagine they will come with a few things we have not seen, but we are focusing on ourselves and our game. The World Cup is in the distance, but you can treat the Six Nations as a tournament in itself, and, among the fixtures, the England-Wales one probably stands out above the rest. It has an edge: the margins will be close again and the man in the middle will have a big role to play, as he has done on the last two occasions.”


Wales wary of refereeing for Six Nations opener against England | Sport | The Guardian

Stuart Lancaster is making sure his players feel the noise when they take the field at the Millennium Stadium on Friday at the start of the Six Nations championship by having loudspeakers blaring out in training at the England squad’s indoor training facility. England’s head coach feels the intense atmosphere at the Millennium Stadium two years ago was a contributory factor in Wales’s record victory over their closest rival. Players were unable to make themselves heard above the din and they are working out ways of communicating by hand on Friday night.
“Communication in a game is vital and it can have a big impact if you are unable to hear each other,” said the England outside-half, George Ford. “We’ll be getting speakers in the indoor facility and putting it as loud as it can go. We need to make sure we cover everything off in terms of that aspect.
“If it is hard to hear each other, we will have other ways of communicating that will help us make the right plays. I did not play in the game two years ago, but the noise was a big factor. We have a set way we are going to attack and being able to hear each other is essential: the half-backs run the game and we have to be able to communicate with each other and those outside us. We are looking at different ways of doing it, such as hands signals.”
Lancaster says that simulation will not be the same as the real thing but he is determined to arrive fully prepared at a ground where England have won once in the Six Nations since 2003.
“The atmosphere there means that it puts pressure on the players to scan and to see the picture because often you can’t hear the calls,” he said. “That’s the part of the experience the players gained two years ago: the sheer intensity of that game and the volume of noise and everything that came with it.


“A number of the players played in that match and we will definitely be better prepared second time around. Experience gives you that level of preparation and understanding.”
The hooker Tom Youngs was involved two years ago. “The atmosphere was such that we could not hear each other speak,” he said. “It is electric there and we will have to read things as we go along. We have good enough players to do that.


Stuart Lancaster prepares England for noise of Six Nations in Wales | Sport | The Guardian

Originally Posted by chassamui

and also the name used by some for the rugby club ground that now sits alongside the millenium stadium

By some? It's the name of the stadium and always has been

Originally Posted by chassamui

Cardiff Arms Park was demolished and replaced by the Millenium stadium. There's a bit more to it than that.

Certainly because the Stadium partially demolished to build the Millenium was the national Stadium at Cardiff Arms Park, not Cardiff Arms Park, it never was the name of the larger stadium.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Apologies if my precis of the stadium history added to the confusion.

I'm certainly not confused.... I know exactly what is what in the area.

In addition Cardiff RFC play and always have played at XCardiff Arms park and never at the City Of Cardiff Stadium.

The Cardiff Blues, the regional rugby side who are not and never have been Cardiff RFC also play at Cardiff Arms Park, the did move to the CoC Stadium but left there two years ago as it was souless.....

Originally Posted by chassamui

Stuart Lancaster is making sure his players feel the noise when they take the field at the Millennium Stadium on Friday at the start of the Six Nations championship by having loudspeakers blaring out in training at the England squad’s indoor training facility

Is he also importing the wreak of 70,000 sweaty welshmen frothing at the mouth?

Guess it will be a closed roof affair.

As an aside, I think Jonesy retired to stick one to Gatland who was ignoring him but not officially in case his first choice props got injured.

It'll be a closed roof affair if England want it to be........

Open or closed... matters not. England won't even get close to winning.

Setanta sport doesn't appear to be showing the game live. Why the fcuk not?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Setanta sport doesn't appear to be showing the game live. Why the fcuk not?

beIN Sports has the rights for Thailand.

What the fook is beIN sports?

TrueVisions (Thailand) beIN SPORTS 1 HD (676)