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**Dillinger** · 08-12-2019, 05:14 AM

Easy standoffish win for AJ

A great day of sport

**NamPikToot** · 08-12-2019, 05:22 AM

Its over?

**aging one** · 08-12-2019, 08:10 AM

Joshua is not in the same league with Fury or Wilder. No punch, should have been able to take Ruiz out.

**bsnub** · 08-12-2019, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by aging one

Joshua is not in the same league with Fury or Wilder.

Now lets see how long he dodges both of them.

**Bettyboo** · 08-12-2019, 09:04 AM

^ & ^^

Wrong.

1) It's all about styles - they are all strong fighters capable of beating each other, different skillsets.
2) Wilder has always been the one doing the dodging...

**Dillinger** · 08-12-2019, 09:36 AM

.....

**aging one** · 08-12-2019, 09:38 AM

Who has Joshua fought other than an over the hill Klitschko? Fury or Wilder take him apart. They have a punch and can take a punch. You spent to much time watching TV with your shitsu..

**cyrille** · 08-12-2019, 09:50 AM

Joshua: It's not about me. It's about Britain.

What a knob this guy is.

**thaiguzzi** · 08-12-2019, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Bruno had a great chin. But, his defence was poor and once he got hit once he'd drop his arms to the side, stand still and let the onslaught begin... No survival instinct.

Chin was made of glass.
Nice guy, he could hit, but could'nt handle being hit.

**bsnub** · 08-12-2019, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

Chin was made of glass.

Betty is rather "new" to the sweet science.

**cyrille** · 08-12-2019, 09:59 AM

He seems to be rather "new" to just about everything.

**thaiguzzi** · 08-12-2019, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by aging one

Who has Joshua fought other than an over the hill Klitschko? Fury or Wilder take him apart. They have a punch and can take a punch. You spent to much time watching TV with your shitsu..

Disagree.
Most of Wilder's 40 odd fights have been against who? Journeymen whashisnames.
And Fury is a great boxer in the Mayweather sense of being a boxer, ie don't get hit, and yes, he can take a punch if you finally connect, but again, bar Wilder/Klitschko, who has he fought?
And i've never seen him knock a top end high quality opponent out.
Andy Ruiz Jr at the top of his game would beat Fury, and give Wilder a good go.
The scary ones in this division are Usyk and the under rated Whyte.

**cyrille** · 08-12-2019, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

Andy Ruiz Jr at the top of his game would beat Fury, and give Wilder a good go.

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

Ruiz in 9...
You heard it hear first...

Originally Posted by thaiguzzi

What do i know?

Well, indeed.

It seems highly questionable that Ruiz will ever be 'at the top of his game'.

**Bettyboo** · 08-12-2019, 10:46 AM

Ruiz is decent; I thought (as most did) that he outpointed the Kiwi in Kiwiland and should have been champion then.

Joshua is far from perfect, but is decent (nowhere near the level of a prime Lennox Lewis). Fury does his stuff and does it well. Wilder is really lacking in boxing skills, but has a massive punch. Wilder wouldn't want to get in the ring with Ruiz or Dillian Whyte - tough guys, hit hard with boxing skills; he has been avoiding Whyte like the plague...

I don't know much about Usyk, but we will see over the next 18 months how good he is at this level; if he fights the lunatic from Finchley via Zimbabwe (and if Derek turns up motivated and wanting to win after a good camp) and beats him well then that's a good win.

I could certainly see Wilder chinning Joshua and knocking him out. But, I could certainly see Whyte, Ruiz, Chisora, the Kiwi or Joshua taking Wilder to pieces and putting him to sleep. I could see any one of them beating Fury by kockout and (more likely) I could see Fury taking them all to school and beating them all comfortably.

All these guys are good, but all have faults. That's what makes it interesting at the moment.

Wilder's management have been hugely protective of him, and rightly so, because he could have 3 or 4 losses on his account now if he'd fought Whyte, the Kiwi, Chisora, Ruiz, etc.

After the Wilder v Fury fight (which could go either way although Fury should be favourite), I'd like to see Wilder take on Whyte. Of course, snubby and others will now come back that Whyte is scared of Wilder...

**aging one** · 08-12-2019, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Wilder's management have been hugely protective of him, and rightly so, because he could have 3 or 4 losses on his account now if he'd fought Whyte, the Kiwi, Chisora, Ruiz, etc.

You and I could not look at boxing any more differently. All those guys are chumps in my eyes..

Put Whyte or Chisora up against Ortiz who Wilder beat twice by KO and they would get KO'd..

**Dillinger** · 08-12-2019, 11:10 AM

^ name a better fighter than those who Wilder has beaten? Apart from grandad Ortiz

**Bettyboo** · 08-12-2019, 11:12 AM

Ortiz was over the hill and far away; he had no power. He would have zero chance of beating Whyte or a focused Chisora; they would just walk him down, give him a beating and stop him in the later rounds (a Whyte left hook could knock Ortiz out in any round). Ortiz does not have an impressive list of opponents at all - you may say that's because they all avoided him, I'm not sure about that, but who has he fought???

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Take out Tyson Fury and Wilder's opponent list is equally unimpressive.

Joshua, despite his faults, has fought everyone out there excluding the top two: Wilder and Fury. Whyte takes on everyone he is given. Chisora is not top tier but he has fought a long list of decent and very good fighters.

Wilder's management do a very good job of hyping up what little they have; 40 fights and fought an over the hill Ortiz and Fury (who they believed was well past his best when they took the fight). Joshua has half as many fights and has taken on numerous world champions (at least 4, maybe more...) and other top fighters... I'm not saying Joshua beats Wilder, but Wilder has done very very little in 40 fights; he has been extremely protected.

Here is a comparison:

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Joshua has done far more in half the time - after fight 14 he was put into the heavy traffic. His last 6 fights have all been against very good opponents - that's from only his 19th professional bout.

Wilder's management are good to have you lot believing their nonsense. Wilder would likely take any fight, his management look after their golden goose very very carefully...

Here is Wilder's fights from 15 onwards - very little there...

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Fought 2 prior world champions in 43 fights? That's half as many as Joshua has done in 23 fights...

**bsnub** · 08-12-2019, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Ortiz was over the hill and far away; he had no power.

I suggest you follow another sport betty because you are clueless when it comes to boxing. Ortiz may have been old but he is one of the hardest punchers in the division. Just clueless and I agree with AO Ortiz would make quick work of Whyte or Chisora who are both overrated by you Brits.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-12-2019, 11:49 AM

For those that missed it:

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**aging one** · 08-12-2019, 11:50 AM

A good one would be two fatties Ruiz vs Whyte who came in at 271 pounds for his win last night.. Not going to mention doping charges against him..

Whyte, who weighed a career-high 271 pounds for the fight, had been controversially added to the card only a couple of weeks ago, even though he still had a doping violation hanging over his head, stemming from a test tied to his July 20 decision over Oscar Rivas. However, on Friday, United Kingdom Anti-Doping announced that it had withdrawn the charge against Whyte.

**Bettyboo** · 08-12-2019, 11:59 AM

Ruiz may well beat Whyte, it would be a good fight.

Ruiz may well beat Wilder (not that we'll ever see that fight because Wilder's management won't like it...).

Ortiz, today, has no more power than Fury - not much for a heavyweight, and far less than Joshua and Ruiz - both of whom would knock Wilder out if they caught him before he caught them. Did Ortiz ever have much power? I suspect he did 5+ years ago, but because he never fought anybody we have no benchmarks to compare him against...

I wonder who Wilder would fight if it wasn't an old guy (between 40 and 50 years old and of ill health) and Fury who is the lightest puncher of the lot of 'em? Wilder won't fight Joshua, Whyte, the Kiwi or Ruiz, so who will he fight next???

**Dillinger** · 08-12-2019, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I agree with AO Ruiz would make quick work of Whyte or Chisora who are both overrated by you Brits.

A quick look at the official rankings will show you it's not just Betty or the Brits who rate Whyte

**Bettyboo** · 08-12-2019, 12:10 PM

^ Rivas, at 5, would give Wilder a much tough fight than Ortiz, but Wilder's management would never take that fight...

**harrybarracuda** · 08-12-2019, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Ruiz may well beat Whyte, it would be a good fight.

Oh do fuck off, it would be like watching the Fat Slags jelly wrestling.

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**bsnub** · 08-12-2019, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Ortiz, today, has no more power than Fury - not much for a heavyweight, and far less than Joshua and Ruiz - both of whom would knock Wilder out if they caught him before he caught them. Did Ortiz ever have much power? I suspect he did 5+ years ago

Power is the last thing a boxer loses betty the speed is what goes first. Like I said Ortiz is one of the heaviest hitters in the division which is why nobody wanted to fight him throughout his career. Not to mention that he is an excellent boxer with a long amateur history as well. He didn't get the fights because nobody wanted to fight him. If you truly understood and knew boxing you would know this it is a well established fact.

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