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Yes, he was fighting back, and he seemed quite clear headed and steady on his feet - nowhere near a stoppage...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Yes, he was fighting back, and he seemed quite clear headed and steady on his feet - nowhere near a stoppage...

I suppose talk is cheap and we are all wiser after the event ,but IMHO the ref should have jumped in and and took a few steps back and asked Groves to Walk to him to see if his legs were not gone , his eyes certainly appeared OK , I mean lets have it right the fight was a torrid affair and both fighters had expended a lot of energy ,its then when your balance ain't as good as in the Earlier rounds ,and just cos he loses it does not mean he is concussed , Personally speaking after the dust has settled ,I think they will sit round the table together and Sign up for the Froch V Groves MK2 !!

^A bad stoppage for all concerned, imo. Froch was just starting to get on top and come on late in the fight as he usually does. Reckon Groves would not have lasted another round. Groves obviously losing his unbeaten record.
Still, there is bound to be a lucrative rematch.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I don't think there will be a rematch; nothing in it for Froch; he can get decent money from other fights; he wants Ward again. He can't beat Ward, Ward might not want the fight. Froch is at the end of his career, no reason to want Groves again; he has enough money. I can't see anywhere for Froch to go really. He has done really well, proved himself many times, as in this fight. The fight potentially adds to Groves reputation and finances, but does little for Froch, imo.

No Doubt Fightnews .com will be the first to know about the rematch ,glad to see that "Pac man" can prove he's already paid his tax to the IRS for his fights with Hatton and De La Hoya and there fore cannot be taxed twice on it according to the rules ,so has soon has he can produce certified copies the Philippino Blood suckers will unfreeze his Bank accounts

Here is the report about Manny's tax problems Boxing News | Bob Arum’s Statement on Manny Pacquiao’s Tax Issues

Well,well,well thats pissed on mine and a few others chips I'm afraid Mayweather Sr: Beating Rios Don't Get You a Floyd Fight! - Boxing News

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I don't think there will be a rematch; nothing in it for Froch; he can get decent money from other fights; he wants Ward again. He can't beat Ward, Ward might not want the fight. Froch is at the end of his career, no reason to want Groves again; he has enough money. I can't see anywhere for Froch to go really. He has done really well, proved himself many times, as in this fight. The fight potentially adds to Groves reputation and finances, but does little for Froch, imo.

Most if not all Fighters are intensely proud people ,and no doubt he's sick of being told how lucky he was to get the stoppage ,from what I've read Froch was sure the Ref was right in his premature actions , so it might be just a case of a Fighters pride to prove a point that will make him sign for a return ,and I dare say the pay will be more this time too

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Well,well,well thats pissed on mine and a few others chips I'm afraid Mayweather Sr: Beating Rios Don't Get You a Floyd Fight! - Boxing News

Yes indeed. I hate Mayweather with a passion. I want him gonged out. I don't care what nation the guy is from. Fuck Mayweather.

Yes, if that was a basis for stoppage, then the fight should have been stopped earlier on when Froch was in the same predicament.

Muhamid ali won lots of fights after taking punches on the ropes, and then responding

Originally Posted by Dandyhole

Muhamid ali won lots of fights after taking punches on the ropes, and then responding

Correct and George Forman, and if my memory serves me correctly was the "rope a dope" champion.

Ali just laid on the ropes and Forman punched himself out to exhaustion then Ali responded and finished him off.

In Kinshasa Zaire at the time if you can imagine it. The "Rumble in the Jungle'. Nice to see you back LT.

In this day and age they won't take any chances, and rightly so.

There will be a rematch I'm sure, lots of interest now, and Froch will want to prove he was right to be awarded the fight.

Originally Posted by aging one

Nice to see you back LT.

Mate been so busy with this house project and the drug testing thingy no time to read the forum.
I have a look now and then for about a minute or 2 but then back into mixing concrete and smashing down walls.

Originally Posted by Dandyhole

Froch was in the same predicament

Froch was at no stage in that predicament. Even in the first round when Froch was put on the canvas, maybe out as he fell (?), he bounced straight back up and was on his game; he has amazing resilience in that way. But, I do agree that Groves wasn't anywhere near the stage of being stopped; he was fighting back, throwing hard punches that we quite well directed; he was in a battle, but he wasn't in immediate stoppage danger - he had taken Froch's shots well, not gone down, nothing - he may well have gone on and won the fight in that round...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Froch will want to prove he was right to be awarded the fight.

Froch wasn't awarded anything; he is a multiple world champion. Groves was the one awarded a shot at the title; and he took it very well; certainly deserves another shot.

Originally Posted by aging one

In Kinshasa Zaire at the time if you can imagine it. The "Rumble in the Jungle'. Nice to see you back LT.

Yeah AO, we can all speculate as to how the Groves V Froch fight would have finished up , but in boxing its never over till the fat lady sings ,all it needs is one desperate counter punch from someone who appears to be taking a beating to end it all , thats the nature of the beast, the only thing we appear to agree on is the stoppage was shall we say "premature" and left a sour taste in many boxing buffs mouth ,Froch says the stoppage was correct ,Groves says it was,nt as do most who was there on the night ,for me and for those who truly love the sport then a return just has to be uppermost in our thoughts as well as Froch's just to prove his point ,anything less than a return proves to me that Froch does not believe his own words

I think Froch was surprised by how good Groves was. I don't think he'll want to fight him again.

Did you watch the Ringside series with the super middleweights? They had Steve Collins, Roy Jones Junior, the lunatic that beat and drew with Ben, the unbeaten Welshman, and a nice Northerner who didn't quite achieve what the others had. Anyways, from the chat with Collins it was clear that he had done his hard fights coming through the ranks and didn't want to take on the up and coming fighters like Cazawhatever the unbeaten Welshman (Collins would've lost, imo). He was interested in a Roy Jones fight because Jones was the number 1 in the world at the time, but Collins was not looking behind him for tough fights - he actually ducked out of the fight with C on the premise of an injury, and he never went back to the fight, he retired instead...

I reckon that Froch is in the same space. He has nothing to gain. His record says that he is in a different league fro Groves, but Groves is young and hungry, and bloody good too. No reason for Froch to take that fight...

^ Apart from a super payday BB, maybe pride and self belief (the boxers code) may force Froch to go and drink from the well one more time! but let me ask you a simple question (or whoever) if the worlds boxing media said you was lucky to win through a premature stoppage , would you not wish to set the record straight by giving Groves a return ?,or would you like to retire with a huge question mark at the end of your career? for me the answer should be automatic , better to be carried out on your shield win ,lose or draw , than be labeled as a person who is not confident of his own ability's to silence the wagging tongues (including mine) once and for all

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

In this day and age they won't take any chances, and rightly so.

There will be a rematch I'm sure, lots of interest now, and Froch will want to prove he was right to be awarded the fight.

"Nail on the head", Not really a lot more to be said is there? , the " Pre fight talk was inconclusive" and now in the interests of the sport ,they should mutually agree to "walk the walk" all over again !

Originally Posted by piwanoi

if the worlds boxing media said you was lucky to win through a premature stoppage , would you not wish to set the record straight by giving Groves a return ?,or would you like to retire with a huge question mark at the end of your career? for me the answer should be automatic , better to be carried out on your shield win ,lose or draw , than be labeled as a person who is not confident of his own ability's to silence the wagging tongues (including mine) once and for all

I certainly see your point, but, partially to my surprise, the likes of Collins and Youbanks didn't particularly think that way. Jones just blamed his loses on anything and anyone but himself. They certainly have big egos, but I think they're driven in different ways.

Froch could consider that he rightfully got the win and has nothing to prove. He has already said that rematch is not in his hands, which suggests to me that he may be looking to avoid Groves.

Who would win a second fight? I can't call it after watching the first.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Youbanks

So Sorry to be the carrier of bad news to the Aussie fight fans , but Mundine Won his fight with Moslely ,I have yet to converse with an Aussie fight fan who likes the guy!!Boxing News | Mundine becomes the first to stop Mosley

^Just saw that. It's a sign of how badly-faded a fighter Mosley is now, he should have retired as soon as he saw the signs a few years ago, but a costly divorce from his wife apparently spurred him on to keep boxing..

Mundine's camp are good at picking faded fighters to pack his resume, they are also calling out Mayweather now ffs. He generally loses to anyone decent and still with a pulse.

Told you so!

Carl Froch told Ringside he does not want George Groves rematch

"Do I want to go over old ground? Not at the minute, no. I like to move forward in my career and the only old ground I like to go over again is for a defeat."
Froch dismisses rematch | News | Ringside | Sky Sports

It was obvious to me from the minute the fight ended; Froch did NOT want to fight Groves again...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Told you so!

Carl Froch told Ringside he does not want George Groves rematch

"Do I want to go over old ground? Not at the minute, no. I like to move forward in my career and the only old ground I like to go over again is for a defeat."
Froch dismisses rematch | News | Ringside | Sky Sports

It was obvious to me from the minute the fight ended; Froch did NOT want to fight Groves again...

Yeah BB, just sorry that you, I, and all the other boxing fans are being robbed of knowing once and for all a huge answer to an even bigger question !, What A bummer