Thread: World wide boxing news

^A lot of people did/do, their reasoning being Kostya had some ridiculous amount of amateur fights in Russia (like 250 or more) that set the platform for the absolute beast he became as a pro. Fair enough to say that too, can you even imagine what he'd have had to face in that many fights on the amateur circuit in Russia! He was up there with the best finishers I've ever seen, nothing worse than seeing a fighter hurt his opponent then stand there looking at him while he regains his composure. When Kostya sensed blood in the water he did not fuck around and always went in for the immediate kill.

Originally Posted by Headworx

He was up there with the best finishers I've ever seen

Yep, and tough as nails too.

Joshua says he will retire if defeated. Should probably do it anyway, he's doing a bit of a Bruno.

Meanwhile Loma is back in the ring on May 20th.

Devin Haney will defend his undisputed world lightweight titles against Vasiliy Lomachenko in a massive Las Vegas fight on May 20, live on Sky Sports.
Haney's WBC, WBA, WBO and IBF belts and unbeaten record are at stake against Lomachenko, who has responded with three victories since his reign as unified champion was ended by Teofimo Lopez in 2020.

Looks like the Fury v Usyk fight is dead and buried, fuck knows the real facts of who's being greedy and who's not in the negotiations but it looks to be a lost cause. I think Fury would have mopped the floor with Usyk, the sheer difference of body size and 50lbs of weight is enormous.

Originally Posted by Headworx

Looks like the Fury v Usyk fight is dead and buried, fuck knows the real facts of who's being greedy and who's not in the negotiations but it looks to be a lost cause. I think Fury would have mopped the floor with Usyk, the sheer difference of body size and 50lbs of weight is enormous.

I don't think so myself. But a 50/50 split would be fair and make them fortunes, so I don't know what they're fucking arguing about.

Well in the boxing world a 50lb difference is like a Welterweight taking on a Cruiserweight and there's a reason those fights aren't allowed. But yeah, you'd think 50/50 would be fair considering both their current credentials and past achievements, and the dangling carrot of being the undisputed Heavyweight champion would surely have added to the reasons for both parties to sort out the differences as best they could and make it happen.

Originally Posted by Headworx

I think Fury would have mopped the floor with Usyk, the sheer difference of body size and 50lbs of weight is enormous.

.....

Usyk’s about 6ft 3ins and just under 16 stone.

“He’s a pretty big boy, he’s a lot bigger than Muhammad Ali was back in the day.

“He’s bigger than Evander Holyfield, he’s bigger than Mike Tyson, he’s bigger than Joe Frazier, he’s bigger than Ken Norton.
“He’s probably the same size as ‘big’ George Foreman.

“Everybody used to say ‘big’ George Foreman, now they’re saying ‘little tiny’ Usyk at the same weight and size.”

Tyson Fury says Oleksandr Usyk is 'bigger than Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson' as he defends rival and compares him to historic heavyweight champions

^Yes he's bigger than Ali or Holyfield or whoever else at 6'3 and 15+ stone, but he's still small compared to Fury at 6'9 and 19+ stone. Massive difference.

^ Deontay Wilder was only 15.1 stone in his first fight against Fury

Originally Posted by Headworx

but he's still small compared to Fury at 6'9 and 19+ stone. Massive difference

There's been bigger weight advantages

Jack Dempsey was giving 58lbs away and mopped the floor with his opponent

Weight: 187 pounds
Opponent: Jess Willard (245 pounds)
Date: July 4, 1919
Result: KO 3
Background: The 6-foot-6½ Willard, considered a giant in his day, outweighed Dempsey by a whopping 58 pounds. That meant nothing, though. Dempsey delivered one of the most brutal beatings in boxing history – putting Willard down seven times in the first round alone – to become heavyweight champion

Jack Dempsey vs Jess Willard (1919) - YouTube

Originally Posted by Reg Dingle

Deontay Wilder was only 15.1 stone in his first fight against Fury

Which he lost to a bigger man. Is there some point there?

Originally Posted by Reg Dingle

There's been bigger weight advantages

For sure and there's not many that would have weighed within 100lb of Butterbean, but a good big fighter has advantages over a good small fighter (reach for one) which is why weight divisions exist.

Anyway, I'd have really liked to see Fury v Usyk but think it would have been a mismatch. The way it looks, we'll never know.

Originally Posted by Reg Dingle

Deontay Wilder was only 15.1 stone in his first fight against Fury

Originally Posted by Headworx

Which he lost to a bigger man. Is there some point there?

It was a draw.

Hard to think of any other aspect here where you're not getting things all wrong.

Originally Posted by Headworx

Which he lost to a bigger man. Is there some point there?

It was a Draw, The point is you're a fukking idiot

Originally Posted by Headworx

Which he lost to a bigger man. Is there some point there?

The bigger man does not always win. Tyson put bigger men to sleep his entire career, and so did Ali, not to mention Marciano or Dempsey. I think Usyk would give Fury fits, and Fury thinks so too. That's why he backed out of the fight. His camp came to the negotiating table and demanded a 70/30 split thinking Usyk would never agree, but Usyk called their bluff and said ok, then Fury started the waffling.

Promoter Frank Warren is insistent that it was Usyk who pulled out.

Basically, we don't know.

I guess beating aj up is more appealing, though.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Promoter Frank Warren is insistent that it was Usyk who pulled out.

It is not surprising he would say that, even though there is no truth to it. I mean, what else would you expect him to say?

So where's your inside information from then?

Reality: none of us know wtf happened.

Originally Posted by Reg Dingle

It was a Draw

So it was and I stand corrected, unlike their other 2 fights where Wilder (who is a great fighter) got KTFO twice by the 3 inch taller and 40+ pound heavier man.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Tyson put bigger men to sleep his entire career...

I don’t know if he fought many under 6 ft tall as he was? That's all he trained to do his whole career, fight guys taller than him, but he was built like a brick shithouse and fighting at around 220 to 230lb so he wasn't giving away 40 or 50lb to anyone. Plus, there's the minor detail that he's Mike Tyson.

There were early markets available on Fury vs Usyk as soon as talks started, Fury was in the 1.45 to 1.50 range and Usyk 4.40 or more. Wasn't just me thinking Usyk was in for a rough night.

Originally Posted by Headworx

I don’t know if he fought many under 6 ft tall as he was?

He is 5'10" not 6'.

Originally Posted by Headworx

Plus, there's the minor detail that he's Mike Tyson.

Well, the other three fighters I mentioned had no problem taking out bigger men. The bigger man theory is bullocks in regard to the heavyweight division, where everyone is over 200 pounds and can but someone to sleep.

Originally Posted by Headworx

Wasn't just me thinking Usyk was in for a rough night.

I am not in that camp. As I stated earlier, I think that Usyk's boxing skill, style and stance as a southpaw would give Fury fits.

Yeah, you also stated that you know for a fact that Fury chickened out.

Originally Posted by bsnub

He is 5'10" not 6'.

Yes he's under 6ft tall, as I said.

Originally Posted by bsnub

The bigger man theory is bullocks in regard to the heavyweight division

Your opinion and you're entitled to it. I'm saying a man who's borderline on being a giant that can fight and take a punch has natural advantages over those who are also talented, but way smaller and lighter. Fury's current 33-0 record suggests his size hasn't been a disadvantage but he's never fought anyone much bigger and heavier than him, and he won't be either as they don't exist at that level.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I think that Usyk's boxing skill, style and stance as a southpaw would give Fury fits.

One would think with the amount of money that's sitting on the table we will find out one day, hopefully sooner than later.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Yeah, you also stated that you know for a fact that Fury chickened out.

I don't know for a fact, and did not say so. I used logical deduction. There is a difference.

Originally Posted by Headworx

Your opinion and you're entitled to it.

God-damn right. Opinions and ass/arseholes we all have them. Just throwing my .02 cents into the discussion.

Originally Posted by Headworx

One would think with the amount of money that's sitting on the table we will find out one day, hopefully sooner than later.

We will, but I think it will be early next year. Both of these camps want to squeeze that moneymaker before what will become an even more epic payday for both. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if both camps conspired together to do this.

Originally Posted by Headworx

There were early markets available on Fury vs Usyk as soon as talks started, Fury was in the 1.45 to 1.50 range and Usyk 4.40 or more. Wasn't just me thinking Usyk was in for a rough night.

If there were a World Heavyweight Championship for Bullshitting, Headworx would've already unified all the belts

Originally Posted by Reg Dingle

If there were a World Heavyweight Championship for Bullshitting...

snubby's definitely got the WBA belt.

Gotta say, I'm not sure waxy will fancy entering the squared circle with the seattle slugger.

Not at this stage in his career.

Originally Posted by bsnub

We will, but I think it will be early next year.

The date betting agencies I have accounts with were putting on the fight was December 30th. Obviously that date can and probably would have changed and everyone who ponied up so far has had their money returned now though.

Originally Posted by bsnub

God-damn right. Opinions and ass/arseholes we all have them. Just throwing my .02 cents into the discussion.

The beauty of having opinions on sport is sooner or later the game/fight/tournament is over and someone will be proven right, or wrong, or maybe it'll be a draw

Originally Posted by Reg Dingle

If there were a World Heavyweight Championship for Bullshitting, Headworx would've already unified all the belts

What you obviously have never understood is how books work in sports gambling, and what makes odds change dramatically. A bit like when the Tszyu vs Harrison odds first came out and Harrison was favourite by a mile, but by time the fight date arrived Tszyu was short priced to win. This was discussed in this thread. Stick to peddling penny stocks to pensioners over the phone or driving a bus or whatever the fuck it is you're reduced to doing now and leave complicated things like gambling to people who understand fluctuations because the numbers I stated were correct when the first market was posted, and unlike you I know why they change.