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    ^ Kiwi heh?

    Both Boxers get to do it. Not only one, with the other one told they are not allowed to do anything and if they do they are fined. the other boxer waiting can do what ever he likes to keep in the zone.

    Waltzing Matilda was laughable indeed, but to complain about other nations fans singing during a game is very unrugby. Just because the Kiwi audience has nothing to call their own aside from their boys doing a little camp dance.

    Just imagine the Kiwi response if England, after the Haka, insisted upon land of hope and glory, with fireworks, for 5 minutes and the Kiwis had to stand on the 10m line and not move under penalty of big fines if they did? Every game?

    Oh and the Haka might take 70 seconds or so, but the cocking about before and after usually adds 5 minutes onto the pre match routine.

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    Your boxing apples don't sit well with rugby oranges!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Waltzing Matilda was laughable indeed, but to complain about other nations fans singing during a game is very unrugby
    Ok I'm lost now... Who is complaining?
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Just imagine the Kiwi response if England, after the Haka, insisted upon land of hope and glory, with fireworks, for 5 minutes and the Kiwis had to stand on the 10m line and not move under penalty of big fines if they did? Every game?
    Meh, it's got to be better than a co-opted American Negro Spiritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trabant View Post
    ^ boxing

    you've knocked out your own argument

    one boxer arrives in ring after a slow walk through the crowd with 'his' music playing, several minutes later, a 'fashionable late' opponent does the same walk with 'his' music while fighter #1 waits. And waits.

    Time for a haka, easy
    Maltilda is the Aussie song, if we want to celebrate our country by singing about a thieving drifter who would rather kill himself than submit to authority, then that's our right.

    Fuck you.
    And the police.
    Last edited by Necron99; 11-01-2013 at 01:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Your boxing apples don't sit well with rugby oranges!
    My Rugby Apples sit well though. Land of hope and glory ..... boom fireworks crack...full orchestra playing in the middle. Would be fantastic. Flyby by a few spitfires as well. Would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Waltzing Matilda was laughable indeed, but to complain about other nations fans singing during a game is very unrugby
    Ok I'm lost now... Who is complaining?
    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    Just imagine the Kiwi response if England, after the Haka, insisted upon land of hope and glory, with fireworks, for 5 minutes and the Kiwis had to stand on the 10m line and not move under penalty of big fines if they did? Every game?
    Meh, it's got to be better than a co-opted American Negro Spiritual.
    Trabant editted his post.

    It originally said "

    Aussies Waltzing Matilda was laughable and Swing Low is a boring drone and not motivational at all blah blah.

    obviously realised that it is very different; the crowd having a sing of a spiritually linked song to their team, as opposed to a fake show for the know nothing Man U style rugby viewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    ^ Kiwi heh?

    Just imagine the Kiwi response if England, after the Haka, insisted upon Morris Dancing, with fireworks and hankies, for 5 minutes and the Kiwis had to stand on the 10m line and not move under penalty of big fines if they did? Every game?
    Fixed that for you...

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    Meh

    All of your crowds songs and dances take a weak third place behind the Welsh and their singing.

    The Jocks with Flower Of Scotland take the second prize although the only time I've heard it live at Murrayfield there were 20,000 Welsh singing with them, so we may even take that prize as well......

    And the Welsh anthem is the Traditional response to the haka, it's where anthems came from in rugby, but don't tell the All Blacks that one..... they'll take their ball and play in the changing rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    And the Welsh anthem is the Traditional response to the haka
    How do you figure that one then?

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    I thought the traditional Welsh response to the Haka was to go on to be soundly beaten by half time?

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    Because that's how it came about.

    In the days pre-anthems the Welsh WRU chief suggested that the captain lead the crowd in the singing Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau in response to the haka.

    It was the first recorded time of an anthem was ever sung at a sporting event

    That was what happened in the 2005 Centenary game.

    When the Welsh programmed the same line up in 2006 the All Blacks refused and took it to the shed.

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    McCaw's reaction is typical kiwi though;

    "The tradition needs to be honoured properly if we're going to do it," fumed All Blacks skipper Richie McCaw. "If the other team wants to mess around, we'll just do the haka in the shed (changing room). At the end of the day, haka is about spiritual preparation and we do it for ourselves. Traditionally fans can share the experience too and it's sad that they couldn't see it today. The players didn't take the decision lightly."

    If they do it for themselves, why does it have to be done after both anthems? Surely it doesn't matter when they prance around a little?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    It was the first recorded time of an anthem was ever sung at a sporting event
    I didn't know that. I'll consider that my something learnt for the day then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    That was what happened in the 2005 Centenary game.

    When the Welsh programmed the same line up in 2006 the All Blacks refused and took it to the shed.
    That was because they'd agreed to do it as a 'one-off' (two, actually, if you count the first meeting of the teams) for the Centenary and the WRU went back on their word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus
    The tradition needs to be honoured properly if we're going to do it
    What does that actually mean?..... They didn't do it properly for close to 100 years.

    When the welsh proposed the true tradition was followed as it had been the previous year. The all Blacks refused.

    Fancy trying to dictate the running order to the Home Union.

    The word precious seems to fit this reaction.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    and the WRU went back on their word.
    link please...... or is this what you as a lawyer would refer to as hearsay....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson
    and the WRU went back on their word.
    link please...... or is this what you as a lawyer would refer to as hearsay....?
    Ant is correct.It is documented here...somewhere.

    Off you pop Bobby, go and find it.There's a good lad.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    link please
    Hansen, familiar with how Welsh rugby is run after more than four years as national coach or assistant coach, wasn't surprised to learn six weeks ago that the WRU was seeking to repeat the protocol of last year, when the Welsh anthem was the final act before kickoff to mark the Wales-New Zealand centenary.

    NZPA understands All Blacks management was frustrated the WRU never gave a coherent reason for wanting to change the traditional protocol again, with the explanations constantly changing over six weeks of negotiation.

    Management was also angry the WRU had gone back on an agreement last year that the change would be a one-off.
    All Blacks stand by dressing room haka - Sport - NZ Herald News
    All Blacks head coach Graham Henry said he believed it had been agreed that 2005's match, which saw the haka followed by the Welsh anthem, was a one-off.

    He said: "We agreed to the change last year but we had a guarantee it wouldn't happen again. But they (the WRU) asked us to do the same this year and we said no."
    BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | No WRU apology over haka dispute
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcock
    What does that actually mean?..... They didn't do it properly for close to 100 years.

    When the welsh proposed the true tradition was followed as it had been the previous year. The all Blacks refused.
    That makes no sense - whether they performed it 'properly' or not, the point is that they did do it. Have been doing so since the 1880's in fact.

    So how is that not a tradition yet something that has been done twice, 100 years apart, suddenly become the 'true tradition'?

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    Nope...... I've never heard any agreement from the Welsh that it was a one off.

    It worked so well it was worth keeping.....

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    Great Indignations
    BY NZRW EDITOR: GREGOR PAUL,
    10. The Changing Room Haka

    In 2005 the All Blacks played Wales in Cardiff. It was a special fixture as it was the 100th anniversary of the first clash between these two great rugby nations – a game made famous by one of the greatest injustices of them all – the refusal to award the All Blacks a try they thought Bob Deans had scored.
    To honour the occasion, the All Blacks agreed to a Welsh Rugby Union request to replicate exactly the pre-match events of 1905. That meant the haka would be performed before the Welsh national anthem. There was a reluctance to agree to this as the All Blacks didn’t want to set a precedent for future games. And sure enough, when they returned to Cardiff the following year, the WRU asked for the same pre-match order as 2005.

    The All Blacks were not going to agree this time. There was no history to honour. The two unions squabbled all week leading into the fixture but the Welsh wouldn’t budge.

    So the All Blacks decided they wouldn’t do the haka on the field. Instead they did it in the changing room and there were 80,000 angry people in the stadium when the game started after the national anthems and no haka.

    When the big screen then showed images of the All Blacks doing the haka in their changing room, there was widespread booing. People had spent big money to be there and the haka is a big part of the package. There was anger they had been denied the chance to see it properly.

    Great Indignations :: NZ Rugby World

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    enough haka

    here's rugby AND boxing, and someone may well find some gayness here too


    Cooper pitted against Muay Thai veteran in pro-boxing debut
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    PHUKET: Australia flyhalf Quade Cooper was pitted against Muay Thai veteran Barry Dunnett for his professional boxing debut scheduled in Brisbane next month.

    The 24-year-old New Zealand-born back is currently honing his punching skills in Brisbane ahead of the charity bout which will keep him out of the Queensland Reds' second and final pre-season trial.

    When he steps into the ring at the Brisbane Entertainment Centre on February 8 on the undercard of close friend and former All Black Sonny Bill Williams' bout with Francois Botha, Cooper will confront a 32-year-old rival with some credentials as a fighter.

    "He's fought for a Queensland light heavyweight Thai boxing title. He's had two pro-boxing fights, one win and one loss, in 2010," Shannon King, whose Corporate Box facility Dunnett used for practice, was quoted as saying by the Brisbane Times.

    "He's not a basketball player turned boxer. It's all he's done for the past eight years as a sport. If he goes down, it will be because he's sleeping, or because he's got a rib pushing on a vital organ. He won't give up," King added.

    According to the report, Dunnett has fought 15 times under Muay Thai rules which allow the use of elbow and knee, and the pair will meet for the first time tomorrow at a media session.

    On the rugby field Cooper was a shadow of his creative self last year, producing a number of below-par performances after recovering from a serious knee injury and featuring in a well-publicised spats with the governing body.

    _____________________________________

    more here, including a great quote from Quade, make of it what you will

    Insurance agent Barry Dunnett taunts opponent Quade Cooper ahead of their boxing clash

    "It's a bit awkward standing that close and looking another male directly in the eyes," Cooper quipped.

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    Cooper made a cameo appearance on the Ultimate Fighter: The Smashes series and did some training. Apparently he can actually fight a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    the crowd having a sing of a spiritually linked song to their team, as opposed to a fake show for the know nothing Man U style rugby viewer.
    spiritually linked? For sure

    'Swing Low Sweet Chariot' is an African-American gospel song about a slave escaping from the cotton trade using the Underground Railroad. The song was arranged by American Henry Thacker Burleigh from a spiritual song his slave grandfather taught him in 1866.

    Believe you'll find RWC 1991 was the beginning of this gay English 'spirituality'

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Cooper made a cameo appearance on the Ultimate Fighter: The Smashes series and did some training. Apparently he can actually fight a bit.
    He's a good 'tea-leaf' as well.

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    ^ and I believe you will find that the mid 1980's was the beginning of this gay full on Haka Bullshit. Before it was a handful of awkward looking blokes doing the chicken song, facing the crowd.

    Swing Low is a song that is sung from 1988; believe is was a tribute to Oti breaking England's dry spell. Around about the same time as the Kiwi's started rehearsing and stage managing their little chicken dance. It's all besides the point though; no one makes the Kiwi's sit and listen to it, under threat of financial damages.

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    ^ I think that you will find that "Swing Low" is an American slave song old boy

    I also think you will find that the New AB Haka is rewritten, but not new.Google is your friend.Educate yourself a little....

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