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    You just can't take any comment that diverges from your opinion constructively.

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    ^ I repeat, instead of being acidic, try to develop a personality, and add some content. Watch the film, and add your thoughts/feedback.

    I thought the trailer looked rubbish, am watching the film and am still undecided, so engaged in chat with Ant, learnt about the Paramount stuff, decided to read a bit about it, learnt some more stuff about the cost of production and how it affected where/how the film could be delivered - i.e. on Netflix, it was just too expensive for movie theatre production/release. This adds a new question: is Netflix (and similar content platforms) destroying the movie theatres?

    From discussion with Ant and reading up, I also learnt about the huge cost of using the characters at different ages - does that work well in this film? You'll have to watch the film and decide for yourself.

    Forums are for discussion...

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    Oops, now look what I've gone and started!

    Anyways this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    This adds a new question: is Netflix (and similar content platforms) destroying the movie theatres?
    ...could be a whole topic of its own though from what I've been reading recently Netflix are destroying themselves as well.

    They still haven't hit a subscriber base to support the spending, have had to resort to increasing prices (and therefore losing subs, creating a vicious circle), and all this despite the competitive advantage of being one of the first -- and now with Disney+ and every man and his dog rolling out streaming services it doesn't bode well for them. And all of which is symptomatic of the whole 'tech unicorn' thing of these massively valued Co's such as Netflix, Uber etc. not even returning profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Ah OK I follow what you're saying now. I don't think it qualifies as 'made for TV' though since Netflix only picked up the rights after Paramount dropped them.

    Anyways haven't seen it myself yet so will check it out. Didn't even realise it was out on Netflix now until I saw your posts this morning!
    Yup....

    Initially set up at Paramount Pictures, who was planning to release it domestically, as well as Media Asia, who picked up Chinese distribution, and STX Entertainment, who took international rights. After Paramount Pictures lost confidence in the film's one hundred million dollar budget, in tandem with the departure of studio chief Brad Grey, it was put in turnaround, and Netflix acquired the rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    learnt some more stuff about the cost of production and how it affected where/how the film could be delivered - i.e. on Netflix, it was just too expensive for movie theatre production/release. This adds a new question: is Netflix (and similar content platforms) destroying the movie theatres?
    Couple of points there: A massive part of movie costs is promotion. If test screenings show it's a dog, they may even release it straight to DVD and TV.

    Netflix have "saved" quite a few productions by picking them up before they are ditched, or buying the international rights like they did with Annihalation.

    I don't think they are destroying movie theatres, far from it, they are simply getting movies out there that otherwise might not reach a global audience.

    If the studios know they have Netflix to fall back on, they might be more willing to take risks on projects they otherwise might just ignore.

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    ^ & ^^ & ^^^ all good points, imho.

    I pay for Netflix every month, and maybe the days of digital recording when folks like Rodrigez did entire films on a digicam then edited it at home, was the real beginning of the end for big screen analog film format? Netflix and others are convenient, but I should probably make the effort to go to the cinema more and enjoy the big screen and big sound.

    The way some companies work (like NTL in the UK who rolled out cable at massive cost), they just can never break even; maybe Netflix's model falls into that category, and the losses will be huge then another company will come out of the ashes with the infrastructure and content?

    Gonna watch the rest of The Irishman tonight, maybe Ill change my mind on the movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I don't think they are destroying movie theatres, far from it, they are simply getting movies out there that otherwise might not reach a global audience.
    And the fact that even Scorcese needed their help is scary.

    If the cinemas are going to be showing anything other than superhero retreads and kid's stuff then Netflix and the like could be part of the answer.

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    The superhero genre has got very very old...

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    it's you that gotten old.

    under 30s love the MCU and will continue to spend billions of dollars to watch.


    and 'the irishman' is one of the best reviewed movies of scorsese's career....will be watching it this weekend....probably in two sittings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    ^
    it's you that gotten old.

    under 30s love the MCU and will continue to spend billions of dollars to watch.
    It's a little bit more complex than that, Ray.

    The movie industry thrives on variety and creativity; when a single genre dominates then that variety and creativity suffers. But, you don't have to take my word for it:

    Movie/tv download recommendations-screenshot-2019-11-28-15-14-a


    https://www.cinemablend.com/news/248...perhero-movies
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    btw, i'm told that one of the better spots to hit 'pause' is at 1:48.

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    ^^
    let me break it down for you, grandpa....

    scorsese was stating that the MCU and DC is not "cinema"....and IMO and that of many others, he's not wrong. but that doesn't mean that the MCU and DC doesn't pack theaters and sell merch.


    most under 30s don't give a shit about "cinema" in the same way they don't give a shit about the impressionist period.


    and btw, it could easily be argued that the movie "industry" thrives on sequels and franchises as much as it does variety and creativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    you don't have to take my word for it:
    (david fincher) has stated he wouldn't be opposed to making a superhero movie, though he followed it up with the fact he wouldn't do it for a previously established character. Translation: unless he's making an original hero, don't expect it to happen. Hey, at least he doesn't hate the genre entirely!
    a scathing indictment, indeed.

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    and to bring this back to an earlier point.....yes, streaming is slowly killing movie theaters. people would rather stay home and watch the latest dramas and comedies on their 65" flat screen on a service they're already paying for rather than driving to the theatre, paying for tickets and overpriced concessions, and hiring a baby sitter. that said, the movies that people will continue to show up for at the theater are action franchises, star wars and superhero movies.

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    ‘The Haunting of Hill House’

    Netflix series and legit scary as fuck.
    Just want to expand on that a little.

    Two episodes left for the series and in addition to being scary as all fuckery it is a superbly acted / directed / produced show. Easily one of the best series I have seen in a long time.*















    *This assessment may change in the (unlikely) event they screw the pooch and botch the ending.

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    Nobody is hating the genre, Ray - it's just the dominance cuts down on other production types with their own creativity and direction.

    Some studios are making lots of money so rinse and repeat. But, we, the consumer, lack options as a result - which takes us back to Netflix and the such who step in to fill the void.

    There's only so many Batman movies or Spiderman rehashes many folks are prepared to watch... You may be different and like the same thing repeatedly, but there's a huge voice of critics (if you bother to look or listen) who have written/spoken out against the endless superhero movies.

    Here's a film for you to look forward to:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    There's only so many Batman movies or Spiderman rehashes many folks are prepared to watch
    that number appears to be infinite.

    btw, you'll be long dead and theatres will still regularly be showing batman and spiderman movies.


    for whatever reason, you seem to have forgotten the point you made earlier....


    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The superhero genre has got very very old...
    i replied...

    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    it's you that gotten old.

    under 30s love the MCU and will continue to spend billions of dollars to watch.
    and then you proceeded to get your panties in a bunch and move the goalposts.

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    i watched DC's "joker' the other day.

    undeniably creative and thought provoking......and it's already grossed $1 billion.....needless to say, they're already planning a sequel and theater owners are thrilled.

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    Sorry Ray, but I prefer to live in a world of variety rather than rinse/repeat...

    Now, I'm watching the end of The Irishman, so I'll get back to you later. &, I hate(d) all the superman, spiderman and batman movies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post

    They still haven't hit a subscriber base to support the spending, have had to resort to increasing prices (and therefore losing subs, creating a vicious circle), and all this despite the competitive advantage of being one of the first -- and now with Disney+ and every man and his dog rolling out streaming services it doesn't bode well for them. And all of which is symptomatic of the whole 'tech unicorn' thing of these massively valued Co's such as Netflix, Uber etc. not even returning profits.
    good point, and to make it worse, original content is no longer original when everyone has an idea and streaming it, there is simply too much original contents and not even attention in the world for all of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I prefer to live in a world of variety rather than rinse/repeat
    it's a shame that doesn't come across in your posts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    I hate(d) all the superman, spiderman and batman movies...
    somehow i think disney and warner bros. will find a way to soldier on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i watched DC's "joker' the other day.

    undeniably creative and thought provoking......and it's already grossed $1 billion.....needless to say, they're already planning a sequel and theater owners are thrilled.
    it says something about our current society when our only inspiration is from cartoons in the 1950s,
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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    and to bring this back to an earlier point.....yes, streaming is slowly killing movie theaters. people would rather stay home and watch the latest dramas and comedies on their 65" flat screen on a service they're already paying for rather than driving to the theatre, paying for tickets and overpriced concessions, and hiring a baby sitter. that said, the movies that people will continue to show up for at the theater are action franchises, star wars and superhero movies.
    indeed, I used to go a lot to movie theaters, maybe 100 times a year

    but now I won't bother, and why should I? the idea of seating in a public place full of smelling idiots eating popcorn, and getting sick if you are in the middle of the winter

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    i watched DC's "joker' the other day.

    undeniably creative and thought provoking......and it's already grossed $1 billion.....needless to say, they're already planning a sequel and theater owners are thrilled.
    Good grief, I thought it was utterly dull and for the life of me I can't see how it made that gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    and to bring this back to an earlier point.....yes, streaming is slowly killing movie theaters.
    But it isn't.

    Moviegoers are the same in number now as they were in 1995 (in the US, where streaming started). And adjusted for inflation, they're making the same money.

    Going to the movies is still a date night, a chance to meet friends, do a bit of shopping, etc.; and a visual and aural experience that you can't get near unless you've spent a fortune building a home cinema.

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