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    Something that I just ran across by accident. It's on the bright side of the earth. Just some music with nature clips. Lovely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui
    No offence Billy
    ,,,,, but let me say one more thing.

    most everyone likes to talk about 'awareness' of wherever/whatever
    but in awareness we still have a sense of 'self' operating that may have a choice which is duality.
    when one gives 'total attention' there is no self operating
    only an observing with all senses working ,,eyes , hearing , smell, touch,taste.
    but not what we refer to as self, thought.
    looking through these eyes gives us another view
    and if we still have some compassion/love
    we could easily weep with the tragedies that are surrounding us today.
    And because of self,, we are where we are and we don't care or respect anything.

    we have advanced from the combustion engine to taking vehicles to Mars
    is where self can congratulate itself
    but on the psychological level man has stopped growing.
    maybe even regressing.
    thing is,, can anyone step off the Titanic ?

    No because people live with fear and the after-life beckons where life will be sweet
    without worries and anxieties.
    Fear is always with the future.
    And yet enlightenment is there in the click of a finger
    but everybody wants to see a result
    and there is no result

    our conditioning is overwhelming.

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    Correct.

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    thank's ENT.

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    About a year ago, I wrote somewhere that we need a revolution. The banking crisis in Cyprus was well on its way, but not yet was the deal with the EU made.

    I read an article by the Dutch financial geographer Ewald Engelen, who wishes us a happy revolution. I don’t share has ideas on the EU – not at all, in fact – but I like his remarks about the wrong focus in Europe. Among others: banks have not been forced to clean up, and everything seems to be focused on reducing government debt rather than private debt. Engelen therefore sees plenty of room for revolution.

    That’s what we need – we need a revolution. A large scale revolution.

    Our world is built on the premises of growth. Infinitive growth. That appears in sharp contrast with the fact that our Earth’s resources are all limited.
    Cyprus’ banks grew till they were too big for their basis and failed. Like a tree – too many branches too wide from the tree’s trunk, and it doesn’t take much wind for the tree to break.

    Our Earth is limited – limited space, limited water, limited mineral resources.

    In 1900, there were less than 2 billion people on Earth. In 1950 – so 50 years later – that number had grown to less than 3 billion. Another 50 years later, and the population had already grown to over 6 billion. And now, only a little more than 10 years later, we are well over 7 billion people.
    In 20 years’ time, it is expected that there will be between 9 and 10 billion of humans.

    Many of them in countries with a fast developing middle class, who want to buy their share of cars, wide screen tv’s, and meat and so on.

    So we will need more of everything, due to a growing population and due to a richer population.

    More clean water – for drinking, for farming, for manufacturing.
    More oil – for fuelling cars and power plants, for fertilizers, for plastics, for medicine and for toothpaste, and so on.
    More minerals – to build cars and buildings and mobile phones and so on.
    More land – to grow food and livestock, and to live on.

    But aren’t these already in short supply now? And won’t they dry up in the next one or two decades?

    Yes, many resources will dry up in the next decade. And remember, it is connected. You need oil for fertilizers for improving harvest yields. No oil, no fertilizers, bad yields, and then you need even more land.

    We have been misled by the promises of infinitive growth.

    We also have monetized our way of living and thinking.

    Huge pay packages for top executives, easily 100 times the average salary of the employees of the company, with the ‘reasoning’ that it was set by the market. That’s an abstract term. And false. On the market, prices for apples and chicken are transparent. The ‘market’ for executives is far from transparent. And not a market at all.

    Even waiting in line is monetized. All air passengers wait in line for customs. Unless you pay some, then you can go fast-lane.

    And now we have huge debts. That’s linked to the growth doctrine – debt is the promise of future production. We took on huge debt because we believed we could pay it back with our future increased productivity.

    Happiness and the ability to survive as a specie cannot be measured in monetary units. It seems unlikely that a society in which the determining force is the pursuit of maximum profit can reverse this desire for infinitive growth without revolution.

    We have been misled by our urge to monetize it all.

    We need a revolution to change our way of thinking. And to change our way of living.

    We need revolution.
    - - - We Need A Revolution - - -
    You have no chance, so grab it.

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    Well said, Warrior. Good ideas and a great post. It will take a revolution.....perhaps preceded by a major disaster.

    However perhaps you are quoting that Dutchman too exactly ? Although I am not the English Police here, it should be "infinite growth", not "infinitive growth". They mean different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    That's crap, Willy. Nature didn't introduce the idea to destroy itself methodically to benefit a single species.

    Quote Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen View Post
    99% of all the species that have ever lived are now gone.
    Extinction is the rule, not the exception.
    They evolved into the species we're destroying.
    Nature is not a sentinent being, nature does not have an idea nor even a purpose.

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    There are many on here with an altruistic bent and it shows that we are not all entirely selfish.
    Humanity is certainly entering a new era and as each previous era has changed there has been turmoil involving the old methods and hierarchies and the new world.
    Many of you are disappointed in our inability to face the dilemma of a burgeoning population and dwindling resources, but the answers to most issues already exist.
    Wind wave and solar, and geothermal power have existed for a long time, but we have continued to use cheaper alternatives. Desalination is available but expensive. As technology advances and other resources become scarce, there is an opportunity to use the renewable resources that have always been there.
    Advances in technology, science and economies of scale will make the older methods redundant. As education becomes more widely accessible, especially among women, there will be a drop in birth rates, supporting a more stable world population.
    We have to accept that adapting to a new era will be difficult and many will wish to cling to the old way of doing things. As in previous eras, there will be some pain along the way. Once people adjust and come to an understanding, the global connected community will change.
    It won’t happen overnight and you cannot uninvent the car. You need to be more pragmatic and realistic about the future. I envisage an entirely different world by the end of this century. There is an element of the natural order of things. The climate will continue to change and species will continue to come and go. Our action or lack of action will have an effect, but so will many other aspects of life on this planet. Some are predictable and others aren’t.
    As a connected collective we are in a better position to survive in a manageable way, provided we accept the need to adapt and that change is inevitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    That's crap, Willy. Nature didn't introduce the idea to destroy itself methodically to benefit a single species.

    Quote Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen View Post
    99% of all the species that have ever lived are now gone.
    Extinction is the rule, not the exception.
    They evolved into the species we're destroying.
    Nature is not a sentinent being, nature does not have an idea nor even a purpose.
    I hate to disagree, with both posters above, .......surviival is the norm so far,.....band, nature's function and goal, thus it's purpose, is well-being, in the most economical form.......survival .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall View Post
    That's crap, Willy. Nature didn't introduce the idea to destroy itself methodically to benefit a single species.

    Quote Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen View Post
    99% of all the species that have ever lived are now gone.
    Extinction is the rule, not the exception.
    They evolved into the species we're destroying.
    Nature is not a sentinent being, nature does not have an idea nor even a purpose.
    Correct. I'd go a step further and argue that mankind does not have the power to change or destroy the Earth, only our own habitat. We have our own blink-of-an-eye longevity on this planet hardwired into us by the all the undesirable traits of greed, selfishness, etc which is our Nature and will be our undoing only.

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    But hopefully the meek WILL inherit the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    But hopefully the meek WILL inherit the earth.
    ...uh, if that's ok with you.

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    Oh, I'm meek.....except towards Willy and ENT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
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    However perhaps you are quoting that Dutchman too exactly ? Although I am not the English Police here, it should be "infinite growth", not "infinitive growth". They mean different things.
    I can only blame myself for it. Never too old to learn.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart
    by the all the undesirable traits of greed, selfishness, etc which is our Nature.
    we can say that man is a part of nature but we can also say that he had fcuk all to do with the creation of nature. The mountains, oceans, all the beautiful animals etc.
    Man being an idiot wants to control nature. Man has created the reality that humans find themselves in today. Being screwed over by the powerful 1 or 2% who now seem to have all the wealth that the worker helped create.
    thought, man, the controller demands control. desire with a will to dominate.
    all the saints and holy men who belong to whatever church or temple have done little or nowt to advance the psychological in man.
    and the man with everything builds a hugh wall around his patch with doberman dogs to keep people out.
    and what happened at the end of peace talks in geneva which has left the people of syria in absolute misery is way beyond the pale.
    all animals survive and work for each other. they are only aggressive when hungry or when the shagging season comes around. otherwise peaceful, unlike man who is violent and aggressive in his pursuit of power and riches.
    man is a destructive and brutal force and also self destuctive.
    the propaganda of man made organized religions are not natural and set man against man which we can see every fecking day around us.
    for thousands of people today the end of their world will come sooner rather than later in the most brutal and horrific fashion.
    Na, man is divorced from nature.

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    Perhaps man is aggressive because we don't have a shagging season it's just a free for all all year around ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    all the saints and holy men who belong to whatever church or temple have done little or nowt to advance the psychological in man.
    It was organised religion that first attempted to control the masses. Before settlements tribes were mostly nomadic and could not be pinned down. Once settlements started religion had the opportunity to exercise control over people. The church world wide enjoys immunity and yet it holds wealth and treasure beyond belief.

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    and didn't the poor have to work and go without
    to put pennies in the box on a sunday morning.
    and then i remember Rev. Ian Paisley screaming
    in a thunderous voice < i was standing outside a dance-hall when i heard this>
    I don't wanna hear the tinkle of coins ladies and gentlemen
    but only the shuffle of notes dear brethern.
    Jayus would av weeped.
    But everybody gave generously cause catholics had the anti-christ as their dear leader as paisley preached his love sermon from the pulpit.
    yes paisley had bumper takings that night.
    religions are a crock o shite that only serve to divide people and lead them on the road to nowhere.
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    i have one question for ENT after he posted 'Correct'
    i'm not trying to take over the thread,,, honest but
    as chassamui pointed out ,, the riches that are held by whoever leads a religion.
    wasn't it the religio brigade who started this whole business of 'work to pay for the church' ? taking the bread-crumbs from the poor. all those years ago.

    anyway ENT. have you kicked Buddhism into touch.
    have you stepped off the Titanic and walked away from the whole charade.
    not to say i'm an atheist,, but to say 'i want to be human'.

    oh btw,, Paisley's church was 20 metres from the dance hall i mentioned ^.

    ok that's it.

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    You said, "Our condition is overwhelming."

    Correct.

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    yes but you do sound like a school teacher

    are you so over-whelmed by you're own conditioning that
    getting off the Titanic would maybe be a step backward or
    perhaps, doubt/intelligence is banging on the front door
    and wants to be free of the whole man made brutality of it all.
    Imagine you only have the 'here and now' to deal with
    not all that other stuff that's supposedly gonna happen in the future.
    All that is dark.
    Free your mind from the prison.
    We all want freedom don't we ? < talking psychological not the physical>< as always>
    with all that man-made nonsense we will never in a 100 million years know freedom.
    We learn and learn from each other and to never ever follow any sect or man again in regards to spirituality.

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    The Global Brain - Peter Russell (1983)

    "Peter Russell's award-winning video, based on a live audio-visual presentation in 1983. He explores the idea that the Earth is an integrated, self-regulating living organism and asks what function humanity might have for this planetary being. It suggests that we stand on the threshold of a major leap in evolution, as significant as the emergence of life itself, and the essence of this leap is inner spiritual evolution. Moreover, Peter Russell maintains that it is only through such a shift in consciousness that we will be able to manage successfully the global crisis now facing us. "


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    Quote Originally Posted by AsGoodAsItGets
    shift in consciousness that we will be able to manage successfully the global crisis now facing us. "
    no time now to watch your vid but will do.

    in our so called spiritual world,, Thought, Man,Self, has created the second hand human.
    when we manage to dump, bury forever, this non-sense
    and i'm afraid this is only for the few
    will we be able to take care again.
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    made the time to watch it 'AsGoodAsItGets'

    nice vid. , i enjoyed it.

    becoming what you're attached to, danger indeed.

    the ME and the NOT ME. strewth.

    good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post

    I wonder if many people realise that Darwin was a devout christian and he was greatly troubled that the revelation of his lifetimes scientific work would have an adverse effect on the church and its teachings.
    A very interesting thread, but I can't stand by for libel. Darwin was far from being a devout Christian. Have a read of this, from a Christian website.


    There is a rumour that he converted to Christianity on his deathbed, but it is no more than a rumour, spread around at the time by a mysterious Lady Hope. (Whoever she was...).

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