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    Lobsters Have Feelings, Too

    ...in the kitchen, no one can hear them scream...

    Lobsters and crabs are sentient beings and shouldn't be boiled alive, UK report says


    By Katie Hunt, CNN
    Updated 7:12 PM ET, Mon November 22, 2021



    A lobster is seen in its nest during a dive near Port Kioni in Ithaca, Greece, on August 14, 2019.





    (CNN) Octopuses, crabs and lobsters are capable of experiencing pain or suffering, according to a review commissioned by the UK government, which has added the creatures to a list of sentient beings to be given protection under new animal welfare laws.


    The report by experts at the London School of Economics looked at 300 scientific studies to evaluate evidence of sentience, and they concluded that cephalopods (such as octopuses, squid and cuttlefish) and decapods (such as crabs, lobsters and crayfish) should be treated as sentient beings.

    Vertebrates, animals with a backbone, are already classified as sentient in new animal welfare legislation currently under debate in the United Kingdom.
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    I love me some lobster but I've never really seen any particular reason they need to be boiled alive.

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    I don't think any living being that's smarter than Chico should be cooked alive, to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I love me some lobster but I've never really seen any particular reason they need to be boiled alive.
    So how do you propose snuffing them out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    So how do you propose snuffing them out?
    Knife to the brainbox does the job.

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    You still wake up sometimes, don't you, Clarice? You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lobsters. ... You think if Catherine lives, you won't wake up in the dark ever again to that awful screaming of the lobsters .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Knife to the brainbox does the job.
    get them to read any of the political treads on Teakdoor....That's kill them quick smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    get them to read any of the political treads on Teakdoor....That's kill them quick smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I love me some lobster but I've never really seen any particular reason they need to be boiled alive.
    I agree. Their screaming noises are really not pleasant.
    Knife to the brain like with salmon should do, like Ant said, or whack them on that part of the head.




    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond View Post
    I don't think any living being that's smarter than Chico should be cooked alive, to be honest.
    You're including vegetables in this?

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    Just wondering why the London School of Economics feels they have the academic chops in this area to offer an opinion......

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I agree. Their screaming noises are really not pleasant.
    It actually isn't screaming, it is air escaping the shell. But I do agree a knife to the brain is a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I agree. Their screaming noises are really not pleasant.
    Lobster don't scream

    they don't have lungs to be able to scream, even my 11yr old knows that

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    Reminded me of the scene in Mongol, where the generals are captured and boiled alive one by one.



    Treatment of POWs ain't what it used to be.


    Good flick btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    I'm still by far the dumbest poster in TD's history
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    Research over time from the Europeans and Americans differ.

    The American research, seems to go with, Lobsters don't feel pain the Norwegians also seem to go with the same.

    whilst other Europeans tend to go with they do feel pain.

    supposedly if you put a lobster in to the freezer before cooking,for around 15 minutes, it will make the Lobster less active and its metabolism will make it sluggish, so science cant agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Knife to the brainbox does the job.
    sorry to inform you, Lobsters don't have a centralised brain, they have a system of neurons.

    Jeez why does a thicko like myself have to inform educated superior members
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    Do oysters have feelings too? A dozen apologies then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Lesson 1: lobsters are significantly more intelligent than Chico.
    I will admit I've read the same thing Chico said about putting them in the freezer for 10-15 minutes before boiling them if you care about a lobster's feelings. Personally, I don't. Perhaps that's why my karma is shit.

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    well you should eat Halal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    I will admit I've read the same thing Chico said about putting them in the freezer for 10-15 minutes before boiling them if you care about a lobster's feelings. Personally, I don't. Perhaps that's why my karma is shit.
    Wasn’t questioning it, I’ve heard the same myself, but in a one-on-one intelligence test Chico V. Lobster I’m gonna back the crustacean every time.

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    ^^ Maybe he had a lobster deprived childhood, like me. Boohoo.

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    Sabang, yes me too sardine sandwiches with vinegar

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    Prawns might be considered the po' mans lobster- I wonder if they have feelings too?

    My dad was a standard navvy mate, that's all. We didn't starve. My first taste of lobster was at Naval soiree's- Yum!

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    Getting back to lobsters/Crayfish.

    As a young lad, we used to place them in fresh water to drown them. Then we would cook them. Not sure if that is good or bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    As a young lad, we used to place them in fresh water to drown them
    ...also a useful technique with unwanted kittens...

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    Ok my tuppence worth, can't personally vouch for it's veracity. I read somewhere that you just place the lobbie in cool or tepid water, and bring it gradually to the boil from there. Not cruel apparently, because as the water warms it puts them into a torpor. So they gently pass away in their sweet dreams. Seems fair enough.

    I have never actually boiled a lobster anyway, but I have crab- and they come out with quite a bubbly commotion when plunged in to boiling water (as you might!). So I will use this somewhat more enlightened method in future.
    Last edited by sabang; 24-11-2021 at 10:56 AM.

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    When I was young we had a crab-trap or two set off of an island on the Gulf Coast of Florida. The first time we used it we caught about 7 or 8 crabs which we presented to our mother to be cooked for dinner that evening. As per the instructions in her cook book, she put them all in a big pot and started to boil them alive. After repeatedly pushing them back into the pot (with a number of barely suppressed screams), she declared "Never again".

    We learned to deshell them when taking them out of the trap, so that she only had to cook the dead bodies and claws.

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