Thread: Visitor in my garden created panic

Originally Posted by wernerfreitag

We had a 3m snake looking in our house in ChiangDao last year. We though it could be a king cobra. It was dark colord , too.
Later on we found behind the neighbars house. It was a common rat snake.

Some of the rat snakes will raise their bodies and spread hood as well.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

had a small King C yesterday in the garden!

did he look like this????

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

looks like a cobra stay away 3M could be a king!

I agree in my proffesional opinion...the 'standard' cobra generally doesn't get bigger than 2.5mtrs...You lucky bugger...I'd wanna keep it around as long as possible....as long as you ain't got kids, dogs or cats!!!!...that you wanna keep that is??

Originally Posted by Panda

Looks like a King Cobra. They eat other snakes that eat the rats. So not to be encouraged.

King cobras do eat other snakes but strangley enough..prefer other cobras...not Kings...they also eat rats, if there are no snakes about....

Originally Posted by Panda

The most effective weapon against a snake (apart from a shotgun), is a length of heavy gauge fencing wire doubled over and twisted up to make a whip like weapon. A three meter Cobra would have a pretty good strike range, so maybe not a good idea to go into mortal combat unless you are young and nimble and confidant of your reflexes. I have to say that going to war with a 3 meter fast moving King Cobra would be a pretty daunting prospect for anyone. Dont really blame you for staying away. Perhaps buy a mongoose?

Oh my god!!!!! Where does all this fear and paranoia come from...and hatred?????
This is a beautiful creature and you are very fortunate to see one.. A friend of mine rescued a 5mtr King in Samui. We had the pleasure of being able to film it in an enclosed space...even at five metres the poor devil just wanted to escape...and we weren't using 'rakes' or any other type of deadly instrument!!!!

Samui snake rescue...free service...24hrs a day...a guy called Phil... Superb.

Originally Posted by robuzo

I wouldn't really recommend tangling with him without a firearm,

A firearm!!!!! WTF...... just leave it alone, It has no interest in us what so ever...we are not a food source...and never will be...there is a program coming to National Geo' soon I suggest some of the TD'ers watch it....
As far a I can tell...HUMANS not ANIMALS are much more of a threat....as is blatently clear from some of the opinions on this and other posts...I go out of my way to see 'NATURE' that's why I'm here!!!!!

Maybe the UK would be a better place for some of the posters...there's feck all nature left there!!!!

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

This is a beautiful creature and you are very fortunate to see one..

and survive to tell the tale

Originally Posted by robuzo

Some of the rat snakes will raise their bodies and spread hood as well.

Is that so?

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

had a small King C yesterday in the garden!

did he look like this????

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

looks like a cobra stay away 3M could be a king!

I agree in my proffesional opinion...the 'standard' cobra generally doesn't get bigger than 2.5mtrs...You lucky bugger...I'd wanna keep it around as long as possible....as long as you ain't got kids, dogs or cats!!!!...that you wanna keep that is??

Originally Posted by Panda

Looks like a King Cobra. They eat other snakes that eat the rats. So not to be encouraged.

King cobras do eat other snakes but strangley enough..prefer other cobras...not Kings...they also eat rats, if there are no snakes about....

Originally Posted by Panda

The most effective weapon against a snake (apart from a shotgun), is a length of heavy gauge fencing wire doubled over and twisted up to make a whip like weapon. A three meter Cobra would have a pretty good strike range, so maybe not a good idea to go into mortal combat unless you are young and nimble and confidant of your reflexes. I have to say that going to war with a 3 meter fast moving King Cobra would be a pretty daunting prospect for anyone. Dont really blame you for staying away. Perhaps buy a mongoose?

Oh my god!!!!! Where does all this fear and paranoia come from...and hatred?????
This is a beautiful creature and you are very fortunate to see one.. A friend of mine rescued a 5mtr King in Samui. We had the pleasure of being able to film it in an enclosed space...even at five metres the poor devil just wanted to escape...and we weren't using 'rakes' or any other type of deadly instrument!!!!

Samui snake rescue...free service...24hrs a day...a guy called Phil... Superb.

Originally Posted by robuzo

I wouldn't really recommend tangling with him without a firearm,

A firearm!!!!! WTF...... just leave it alone, It has no interest in us what so ever...we are not a food source...and never will be...there is a program coming to National Geo' soon I suggest some of the TD'ers watch it....
As far a I can tell...HUMANS not ANIMALS are much more of a threat....as is blatently clear from some of the opinions on this and other posts...I go out of my way to see 'NATURE' that's why I'm here!!!!!

Maybe the UK would be a better place for some of the posters...there's feck all nature left there!!!!

I completely agree with you Sole, I do not want to harm any snakes and think they are beautiful creatures, but whether it was one kind or other I am just not comfortable with having one that big living in my garden, unlike other posters here, like Aussies) I am not used to snakes where I come from, having said that the two Thais in the house at the time was far more disturbed by this snakes presence than I was.

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Originally Posted by robuzo

I wouldn't really recommend tangling with him without a firearm,

A firearm!!!!! WTF...... just leave it alone, It has no interest in us what so ever...we are not a food source...and never will be...there is a program coming to National Geo' soon I suggest some of the TD'ers watch it....
As far a I can tell...HUMANS not ANIMALS are much more of a threat....as is blatently clear from some of the opinions on this and other posts...I go out of my way to see 'NATURE' that's why I'm here!!!!!

Maybe the UK would be a better place for some of the posters...there's feck all nature left there!!!!

WTF, Mr. Sole, did you read the rest of what I wrote? "Shame to have to kill him, and again only do so if he seems to be hanging around (they are territorial)." I'm a huge reptile fan, snakes especially, but you can't have a cobra around the house, especially if there are kids and/or dogs.

By the way, the some of the rat snakes really can easily be confused with a King C, especially the keeled rat snake. As I mentioned, some of the rat snakes will rear up and flatten out, but in more of a sideways fashion than the cobras. Some members of the keelback snake family mimic the cobra hood and stance almost perfectly, although they are also perfectly harmless.

Question, are the rat snakes poisonous ?

Originally Posted by larvidchr

My GF was screaming at me to run and get the plastic pellet toy air gun and shoot it, the neighbours wife was running around closing doors, and I was trying to find out where my docile imported 7 pedigree dog was, then I ran and got the gun but thought better of it, my GF again shouted at me to shoot it, but I said no where is my phone I want some pictures, I found my phone got the photos and then shoot at the snake with the plasticpellets, they cant penetrate snakeskin but bothered it enough to make it crawl back over the wall, I hope it has found a nice place where it can be undisturbed by us crazy humans, and humans dont get in its way.

One brave man! What some of us would do for a photo..

Has it been back of recent? You probably scared it half to death.

Originally Posted by phuketbound

Originally Posted by larvidchr

My GF was screaming at me to run and get the plastic pellet toy air gun and shoot it, the neighbours wife was running around closing doors, and I was trying to find out where my docile imported 7 pedigree dog was, then I ran and got the gun but thought better of it, my GF again shouted at me to shoot it, but I said no where is my phone I want some pictures, I found my phone got the photos and then shoot at the snake with the plasticpellets, they cant penetrate snakeskin but bothered it enough to make it crawl back over the wall, I hope it has found a nice place where it can be undisturbed by us crazy humans, and humans dont get in its way.

One brave man! What some of us would do for a photo..

Has it been back of recent? You probably scared it half to death.

No, and I don't think it will, they have ploughed the land behind the estate since, I hope it managed to get out of the way.

Originally Posted by phuketbound

One brave man! What some of us would do for a photo..

When Larvidchr has a camera in his hand he turns into Superman with absolutely no fear.

You should see him when he goes on a Thai Knicker thread photo safari!

He takes no prisoners!

Men!

I really fear snakes, but I've run into a poisonous one on my camp when I lived in the woods of NCarolina. I was working with delinquent teenagers in an outdoor rehab program, and I was told if I see a snake, to cut his head off. Well saw a copperhead snake, but didn't have time to chop its head off. One of the girls already had the shovel and did the deed, while I stood in horror and awe.

We might be the only life form that kills just for the sake of killing.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Originally Posted by robuzo

I wouldn't really recommend tangling with him without a firearm,

A firearm!!!!! WTF...... just leave it alone, It has no interest in us what so ever...we are not a food source...and never will be...there is a program coming to National Geo' soon I suggest some of the TD'ers watch it....
As far a I can tell...HUMANS not ANIMALS are much more of a threat....as is blatently clear from some of the opinions on this and other posts...I go out of my way to see 'NATURE' that's why I'm here!!!!!

Maybe the UK would be a better place for some of the posters...there's feck all nature left there!!!!

WTF, Mr. Sole, did you read the rest of what I wrote? "Shame to have to kill him, and again only do so if he seems to be hanging around (they are territorial)." I'm a huge reptile fan, snakes especially, but you can't have a cobra around the house, especially if there are kids and/or dogs.

By the way, the some of the rat snakes really can easily be confused with a King C, especially the keeled rat snake. As I mentioned, some of the rat snakes will rear up and flatten out, but in more of a sideways fashion than the cobras. Some members of the keelback snake family mimic the cobra hood and stance almost perfectly, although they are also perfectly harmless.

Question, are the rat snakes poisonous ?

No, not at all. You want them around, best thing to keep the rats away.

^Thanks

Cobra vs Rat Snake
Just for next time.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Question, are the rat snakes poisonous ?

No, but they are fast, aggressive and as already mentioned, easily confused with a cobra. So even if it can't kill you with its bite, it is certainly capable of scaring you half to death.

Speaking from experience here.........

Well I don't know, I think with my very limited knowledge about snakes the best option is to be very careful with them all and stay at a guaranteed safe distance, this one moved very casually and docile like though even when I was stressing it with the plastic pellets.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

We might be the only life form that kills just for the sake of killing.

Cats.

scale markings on the head are distinctive

A work camp I was on many years ago in Ar Ar - Saudi was infested with what they called ratsnakes - looked similar to the one on that YouTube clip- place was a cold store and was infested with rats as well !
Phillipino workers used to trap them and eat them !! ( rats and snakes!)

I stayed with my 'beef bacon"or "turkey ham" sandwiches thankyou !!!

The Cobra is a bit of a pussy really. Although he can move very quickly, about 80kph, he is no match for the world's deadliest snake the Inland Tiapan or Fierce Snake of Australia. This fella is 750 times more venomous than the Cobra. The cobra doesn't even rate in the top 10 deadly snakes.
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Originally Posted by robuzo

"Shame to have to kill him, and again only do so if he seems to be hanging around (they are territorial)." I'm a huge reptile fan, snakes especially, but you can't have a cobra around the house, especially if there are kids and/or dogs.

Surely better to try and coax it out of your garden..as for territorial..usually only because there is a food source..

Copperhead racers also try to mimic the cobra...and puff out their necks..there are also mock vipers over here...tricky little buggers some of these guys..

Best advice leave well alone..get a reptile book..learn about the amazing nature we're so lucky to have here...(before the thai's kill em' all, and encourage us to do the same)
Something like 95% of all snake species in Thailand are non-venomous at least to us...something to think about....

Originally Posted by phuketbound

I was told if I see a snake, to cut his head off. Well saw a copperhead snake, but didn't have time to chop its head off. One of the girls already had the shovel and did the deed, while I stood in horror and awe.

Mass hissssss-teria (pardon the pun) why should that snake have been killed weren't your 'deliquents' (correct word used) in the snakes environment...and aren't we????????

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

We might be the only life form that kills just for the sake of killing.

Just because we can....what a lovely species we are...how superior...right on Rural..

I hate to kill any creature but when you have children running around with some venomous snakes in the area you have to remove them unfortunately.

The last snake (rat snake) I found was in the pool and I managed to get her (she was pregnant) over the fence and into the Klong so hopefully she won't come back.

The number of dogs that have been killed by cobra's in my area is high but since they have cleared most of the land for the motor way the cobras have disappeared as well.

Lovely creatures and it is a shame if they all have been killed off.

Originally Posted by Johnny Longprong

The Cobra is a bit of a pussy really. Although he can move very quickly, about 80kph

Bullshit - a normal person would have no problem outrunning a cobra - assuming of course, a cobra would be willing to pursue you - which is won't.