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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
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    I can't see why not as they are almost identical ain't they, the perfect test for it would be to put some shop bought wine what has the Alc Content written on the Bottle.
    Good suggestion. I have a couple of mercury thermometers that I wouldn't mind sacrificing and using a shop wine would give a rough baseline.

    Snapping off the bulb should be easy and using boiling water and a wire tied around the top and then dipping into ice water will hopefully get the top to crack cleanly off, I'm just a bit concerned about the mercury. I know there's not much in them but it's nasty stuff.

    Anybody have any ideas of how best to dispose of it (red will be awarded to the first person who says 'drink it' )?
    QC Why not have a shop round ?, I'm sure you can find a cheap temperature gauge filled with red alcohol , this could well suffice ,and getting rid of the wee bit of Alcohol presents no problems ,and I do seem to remember the small hole going through the middle was some what larger than the one in a thermometer which is minute to say the least , think about it anyways

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    BTW which is the name you prefer Quimbian Robinson ,or Heath Corholla?, but as the old adage goes "necessity is the mother of invention"

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    and I do seem to remember the small hole going through the middle was some what larger than the one in a thermometer which is minute to say the least
    But the principles remain the same. The tiny tube in a thermo might take longer but once calibrated it should still work.

    I'm thinking I'll start with water to get a zero baseline, then something I know the alcohol content of and then my Potent Pineapple Potion (PPP).

    Apart from getting rid of the mercury I am concerned that the capillary tube might get easily blocked by the impurities in the PPP, or the PPP might just dissolve the whole thing!

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    Yeah Billy FFS don't write it off ,as the base brew can often be "rescued"
    Or sold off in one of the construction threads as paint stripper or drain cleaner.

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    I forgot , there is another way of test the alcohol content in your "brew " I have never used one but theres no reason why this method should not be equally as good as the one I used previously this link explains everything How do you measure the specific gravity and alcohol content of beer?

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    All sorts of kit elsewhere but sadly nothing here in Thailand (as I know of) - Hydrometer Test Jar for Home Brewing or Wine Making 12 Inches Tall: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

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    Just like everything else in this world, people try to make money out of others dishonestly when selling specialist equipment used in wine making. The physics remains the same regardless of the tools used. I had a good laugh when I saw some videos insisting that the highest level of the meniscus should always be used as the measuring point. Generations of chemists have always used the lowest point as the reference point but, of course, in reality as long as the instrument is calibrated properly it makes little difference.

    Hydrometers are used in quality control of just about every manufactured liquid, and the specific gravity is commonly used to determine the purity of these liquids. Ignoring all the science, a hydrometer is simply a float which rises or falls according to the S.G. of the liquid. So, all this can be done without suffering years of torture spent in laboratories, as I have done, and attempting to pass examinations. Just make yourself a float or, easier still, buy one.

    The hydrometer is usually just like a fishing float, thin shaft with a bulb at the lower end. This bulb is weighted to ensure that the float stands upright when it is placed in water. We used to call the "antenna floats" when we used them for our coarse fishing activities and it was/ still is possible to buy weighted floats which had no need for little weights to be attached to the fishing line to make them stand. They are called "self cocking antenna floats".

    So, simply, get one of these and place it in wines with different alcohol contents, marking the shaft of the float where it meets the top of the liquid in each case. You will end up with a very simple accurate tool which will cover a range of alcohol strengths. The gravity depends on the temperature but this will not ordinarily be a problem if you only make measurements at a reasonably constant room temperature.

    The danger of applying science too rigidly is that the wine making process is usually performed in a somewhat haphazard way by amateurs and there is little point in trying to calculate the percentage alcohol to three decimal places.

    As long as it is safe to drink, all is well.

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    Bloody hell Can123 what a great idea about the home made hydrometer , I have a couple of plastic drennen self cocking floats right here I brought from England , as Stated previously I have never used a Hydrometer in all my years of wine making ,I know how they work but never had any experience of them ,as you rightly say you can just make your own marks for different percentages by trying your float on different strengths of wine ,the small holding container for the float can be a long necked glass or made out of some of the blue plastic piping they have here in abundance , I do not know how to "green" you but you certainly warrant 5 brownie points for that welcome advice, it just goes to show, one is never too old to learn eh!!

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    Thinking about it now Can123 am I correct in thinking you have to use the Hydrometer twice, once before fermentation and once when its finished? ,I have always used a Alco meter /vinometer in the past which is simplicity itself ,now thanks to our pooch I ain't got it no more.

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    loads of info bout Hydrometers in Thailand here https://www.google.com/#q=were+can+I...r+in+Thailand+

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Thinking about it now Can123 am I correct in thinking you have to use the Hydrometer twice, once before fermentation and once when its finished? ,I have always used a Alco meter /vinometer in the past which is simplicity itself ,now thanks to our pooch I ain't got it no more.
    No, there is an even simpler method. Stick your float in a botlle of 12%, 4% and any others you can put your hands on and calibrate accordingly. No need for all the "over the top" measurements outlined in most of the sites. It's only going to be a guide anyway. The most useful way of determining complete fermentation is the cessation of carbon dioxide production.

    Obviously, you should calibrate using still liquids, not carbonated ones.

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    You guys google-fu sucks.

    This guy from thaihome brew will sell you a hydrometer as well as cleaning chems https://www.facebook.com/Thaibrewhome or brewhometh@gmail.com
    Any scientific/chemistry supply shop will have a hydrometer. It's not like a bong, it does have valid uses for non brewing Thais..

    You can get refractometers as well as a bunch of wine making stuff at www.lek11.com Id be surprised if he didnt also have hydrometers. He does have vineometers

    Some lab supply shops.


    tps - hydrometers
    http://www.gammaco.com/gammaco/index.php

    Must be a ton of others, or any kid in uni should be able to nick one for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by can123 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi View Post
    Thinking about it now Can123 am I correct in thinking you have to use the Hydrometer twice, once before fermentation and once when its finished? ,I have always used a Alco meter /vinometer in the past which is simplicity itself ,now thanks to our pooch I ain't got it no more.
    No, there is an even simpler method. Stick your float in a botlle of 12%, 4% and any others you can put your hands on and calibrate accordingly. No need for all the "over the top" measurements outlined in most of the sites. It's only going to be a guide anyway. The most useful way of determining complete fermentation is the cessation of carbon dioxide production.

    Obviously, you should calibrate using still liquids, not carbonated ones.
    Yeah straight in the bottle reads right to me ,I have got a vino meter on order from England which will be here Nov 8, these are bang on so I will be able to compare the two Vino meter and Hydrometer!.

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    Update:
    The guy from thaihomebrew seems to have gone semi-pro and now has a website advertising everything, including malted grains!
    Not sure how long that will last

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    Erm yeah, having read up a bit on the potential effects of even small amounts of mercury and its vapour (we have a pregnant lady staying with us right now) it would be supremely irresponsible for me to deliberately risk releasing any into the environment so I'm going to take Pi's prior advice and have a look-see if I can find a red alcohol one to cannibalise.

    I know that I have (or had) 2 of them but we moved house a few months back and lost lots of stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
    Erm yeah, having read up a bit on the potential effects of even small amounts of mercury and its vapour (we have a pregnant lady staying with us right now) it would be supremely irresponsible for me to deliberately risk releasing any into the environment so I'm going to take Pi's prior advice and have a look-see if I can find a red alcohol one to cannibalise.

    I know that I have (or had) 2 of them but we moved house a few months back and lost lots of stuff.
    QC just an Item of Interest , I spoke to my Daughter back there in Manchester the other day asking about the availability of a Vino meter, she informed me there was a home brew/wine making shop not far from her office and if there was any available she would buy two as they are not expensive and then give them to Martin my son who is due to arrive here in Thailand Nov 8 ,if everything goes to plan ,which I see no reason why not , I could post one to you no probs at all , I will let you know in due course in TD , and you can PM me with your Name, address etc ,as for payment forget it ,lets just say its a Christmas present from one bigot to another

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    Had to dump it all down the shitter piwanoi.
    goin shopping tomorrow to get a wine kit and accessories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    Had to dump it all down the shitter piwanoi.
    goin shopping tomorrow to get a wine kit and accessories.
    Sorry to hear about that Billy but never mind "if at first you don't succeed" as the old adage goes ,were are you going to get your kit and accessories from? theres nothing like that in this neck of the woods ,if you do find one kindly let me know as to just what they have and the location Phone # etc , and if they have a postal service or not its always handy to know information like that, cheers .

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    i'm in the uk now, in bucks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    i'm in the uk now, in bucks..
    Billy take a look at Necrons post#86 everything you need in Bangkok not far from Don Muang airport its called ?.???? - ????? , ????????? , ????? , ???????? , ??? , ?????? , ????? , ????? , ???? , ?????? , ?????????? , ????????????? , ??????? , ????? , ????????? , ????????????? , ??? , ???? , ??????? , ??????? , ??????? , ??? , ??????? , ?????????? , ???????? theres even a map on how to find it ,there phone #is 02 900 7881 get your good lady to bell them as their English is not very good , good luck

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    Jesus wept, whats going on ? , a load of ?s no probs anyways its on the post 86 kindly provided by Necron .

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    Ahh yes QC thanks for that, its now crystal clear were I dropped a clanger on a serious note though it would appear they have got everything for the home wine maker , I see they have Vino meters too, and also a postal service ,the info is right on the bottom of the page , I have discovered a free source of pineapple , the fruit wholesaler in our village has his wife and a helper peeling and cutting bits off about 100 every day to sell them on the local market , he give me about 15 kilo's of off cuts a week ago ,which I have just sieved and put the juice into demijohns for secondary fermentation and its going like the clappers , he told Jan I could have as much as I wanted as it saves him disposing of it elsewhere , lucky me eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    take a look at Necrons post#86 everything you need in Bangkok not far from Don Muang airport
    yea but but,,

    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid
    i'm in the uk now, in bucks.
    must be a decent brew you got there,

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    Now this is what I call a "Real mans beer"World's strongest beer contains 67.5% alcohol

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    Quote Originally Posted by piwanoi
    Now this is what I call a "Real mans beer"World's strongest beer contains 67.5% alcohol
    From the link:

    Snake Venom is the product of Scottish brewery Brewmeister, which has upped the ante from its previous record-holding concoction, the 65 per cent ABV Armageddon (vodka, by comparison, is typically 80 proof, or 40 per cent alcohol).

    The brewery decided to manufacture an even stronger beer after some customers complained its first attempt was too weak, Scotland's Daily Record reported.




    Only on Planet Jockland could a 65% ABV beer garner complaints of being too weak, mad bastards the lot of them!

    Shitty name though, it sounds like a cheap Bourbon. Surely they could give it a better name, Wallace's Revenge or something..

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