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are you pro abortion ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopskinnylegs
I remember walking through a fish market in Hong Kong, Kowloon, aged 7, wearing thick flip flops and standing on a 3 inch rusty nail
My mom pulled the nail out and the blood was pissing out, until some old Chinese man came running over with some powder in a little tub, that stopped the bleeding instantly
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Originally Posted by KAPPANot religion, it's heritage. A heritage of uncaring soul-lessness and it's easy to see where Thais get it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by DrB0b
Wrong. Most Chinese are atheists. Look it up.
And that may explain much of their horrid behavior.
ok i agree about the " heritage of uncaring soul-lessness".
but the "where Thais get it." - now you're just confused
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Originally Posted by Looper
this wouldn't play out in 99% of the world. China is motivated by greed and money
^ Don't talk like a cnut
Only greed in China huh. 99 percent ? that's some boast.
I have to say here, as one who lives in China, this is the kind of thing that is entirely unsurprising and I'm pleased to see the amount of introspection it has created in much of the community, mostly the younger educated Chinese.
The rest couldn't give a shit.
You wouldn't believe the amount of shit that goes on here and despite Scampies protestations to the contrary, this would never have made it to mainstream media here if it weren't for the blogosphere.
This place is mean and heartless and generally fucking shocking if you had the slightest clue what goes on.
I'm disgusted, not so much at the passersby, but the drivers.
But not surprised.
Sorry to tell you Scampy, there are many exceptions, but generally the Chinese are Kunts.
String him up!!! Wow, that is really shocking.
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
I'm assuming there might be the predictable standard as to a fabricated model might be? Surely, we wouldn't look towards the Anglo-American version of what passes for "global social behaviour".....
Why don't you lot get your fat penis fingers off your keyboards, your fat arses off your computer chairs, desist from commenting authoritatively on matters that are irrelevant to your lives, and about which your opinion (to which you're not entitled) counts for zilch, given few of you would last five minutes in Guangdong Province.
......and go and help/donate money to the toddlers who are having a rough time in Thailand's floods.
......eh, what? You're only cyber Samaritans? Oh, right.
The thing is that Chinese people were not always like this. And it's quite a fair observation to say that Communism took away the soul of the people there. It does remain in some though......1 in 18, apparently !
Anyone who has read "Wild Swans" by Jung Chang would have seen how this actually came about. I skimmed through it many years ago but had to put it down.......what happened was too upsetting.
The bahviour in the video falls far outside what I would consider acceptable moral socialy responsible conduct for members of a modern civilised country that is not in a war or natural disaster situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural SurinHuh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
I'm assuming there might be the predictable standard as to a fabricated model might be? Surely, we wouldn't look towards the Anglo-American version of what passes for "global social behaviour".....
If it was filmed in some remote backwater of no significance I would find it revolting and I would be curious to understand how the society can have reached a point where they consider the behaviour acceptable (as they clearly do as demonstrated by the video evidence).
Since it is taking place in a country that we are told is on the verge of taking on the mantle of a world superpower I also find it profoundly worrying.
A helpless child in visually obvious and urgent extreme physical trauma would normally evoke strong feelings of sympathy in an adult. They have clearly learned how to subjugate these feelings and there must be reasons behind it. I do not believe this behaviour could be witnessed in an anglo-american western country.
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Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii
oh then let me add close-minded and selfish to the list.
but instead of bashing, we can list some of the good things modern China has contributed to the world...
Indeed. No one posting here really gives a rat's arse about that little tike and the associated tragedy. Used only as a conduit to promote and relish their political and social schemes and fanciful Occidental superiority. Highly evolved we've become....Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
The evolution of social behaviour in a country pushing to become an economic superpower with global inlfuence is not an irrelevant matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
Why are we not entitled to a opinion when the material is broadcast across the globe and generally seen to be shocking?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
People aren't entitled to their opinions if they are ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
For example. If I expressed the opinion that everyone should simply deal with hunger during the Thai floods by fishing in the flood waters, and evolving gills - then that would not be an opinion to which I was entitled, as it would be one founded on idiocy. (and that isn't a commodity in short supply on Forums).
Regarding your top point. The evolution of a country's social behaviour is not something that can be decreed authoritatively or generalised about on the basis of one tragic video. Though that is exactly what people are doing.
what a load of ,
people ARE entitled to their opinions
and who the hell do you think you are to suggest you can deny them the same ?
The old adage rings true: Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got one and most of them stink.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_MoogPeople aren't entitled to their opinions if they are ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
For example. If I expressed the opinion that everyone should simply deal with hunger during the Thai floods by fishing in the flood waters, and evolving gills - then that would not be an opinion to which I was entitled, as it would be one founded on idiocy. (and that isn't a commodity in short supply on Forums).
Regarding your top point. The evolution of a country's social behaviour is not something that can be decreed authoritatively or generalised about on the basis of one tragic video. Though that is exactly what people are doing.
I don't now if you live or have lived in China but if so then I would be interested to know what you thought of the behaviour of the drivers and pedestrians in the video. Is it far outside what you would normally expect based on your experience of Chinese citizens? Seems strange that 18 passersby all behaved the same way if so.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
Would you say that this unsympathetic (to put it mildly) behaviour is more likely in China then in the West?
It takes a global village to care for our children.....:wall::tosser1::tosser1:
No they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mid
'I'm entitled to my opinion'
...is nothing more than a banal idle cliche - not some fundamental axiom of logic.
I could have an opinion that Thailand is located on the Moon. And to attempt to defend that by saying I am 'entitled' to hold that opinion is obviously nonsensical.
and the above is simply your opinion to which you are entitled
same as I'm entitled to challenge it and belittle it
checkmate :)
Yes, I have been living there for years, and have been visiting Guangdong for 15 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Looper
In a nutshell
-Still quite uncouth. Parts of Guangdong are very hazardous places.
-Better than they were in the early nineties.
-Taking steps in the right direction, but still a long way to go.
Chinese behaviour would not win them any applause at a western garden party, but then the same applies for folk from many developing nations.
For the record, there are many aspects of western behaviour, (eg Cardiff women puking in the streets on a normal saturday night) that they find coarse, or football hooligans ganging up and giving someone a mass booting to death.
Another thing you don't get much of in Guangdong is rioters and looters, like one does down Tottenham way.
Moog, your opinion is extremely ignorant you therefore aren't entitled to it.
It seems based on fantasy of how you would LIKE things to be, not on reality.
Whose reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koojo
Socal I am an athiest.Read again the above. To try and make light of that child is just twisted. Crawl back under yor stone:kma:Quote:
Originally Posted by socalare you pro abortion ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopskinnylegs
The reality in China today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural SurinWhose reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koojo
I ask if you are pro abortion and you reply that you are an atheist ?:rolleyes: WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtopskinnylegsSocal I am an athiest.Read again the above. To try and make light of that child is just twisted. Crawl back under yor stone:kma:Quote:
Originally Posted by socalare you pro abortion ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopskinnylegs
I notice you say "have been living THERE for years"Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
I doubt the average Chinese is even aware of Cardiff women puking in the streets, but if it ever came up I'd be sure to mention people puking and spitting in restaurants, but then simple things like uncouth behaviour is not what we're talking about here. What we seem to have witnessed is a complete lack of social conscience and loss of moral compass and compassion and whole raft of things that make us human.Quote:
For the record, there are many aspects of western behaviour, (eg Cardiff women puking in the streets on a normal saturday night) that they find coarse, or football hooligans ganging up and giving someone a mass booting to death.
Something I have observed in the Chinese is a seeming inability to empathize.
You don't get much in the way of rioters and looters down Tottenham way either.Quote:
Another thing you don't get much of in Guangdong is rioters and looters, like one does down Tottenham way.
As for ganging up, kicking to deaths and what have you there is a LOT of that sort of thing.
If a sociologist wanted to study mob behaviour in people he could do worse than use the Chinese as a study.
I live very near Foshan by the way.
The surprising thing is it's not a big city, a bit of a backwater really, (Sun Yat Sen came from nearby there.)
There's no saying big city values or any such thing, this is a complete breakdown of some fundamental humanity.
it's horrifying to me.
To me too - the attempts by some earlier posters to blame it on communism is rubbish. This is the way the Chinese naturally are. They've always been like this. That's why those of us who have many years of experience living among large communities of them in West know this is not that surprising - shocking as it is - it just confirms what we'd suspected all along. They sell YOUR grandmother, sell YOUR daughter, whatever, if it was to their benefit and if they could get away with it. They simply have no morals about it.
When CCTV and eventually CNN ran the story about child abductions it wasn't empathy or sympathy about the loss of a child - and the heartache the family must feel not knowing what has happened to the child. It was empathy with the family for losing their future insurance policy (the young must take care of the parents and grandparents when they get old). To lose the only kid is a "practical and financial" disaster - not an emotional and human disaster.
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Chinese riots enter third day
Police vehicles set on fire during Guangdong clashes which began after fracas between security officers and vendor
Monday 13 June 2011 13.07 BST
Rioters burned police and fire vehicles in a third day of unrest in southern China's manufacturing heartlands, witnesses have reported.
Hong Kong broadcasters reported that armed police fired teargas as they sought to disperse the crowd and detained at least a dozen demonstrators.
The clashes, which began on Friday after a fracas between security officers and a pregnant street vendor in Xintang, Guangdong province, highlight Chinese authorities' struggle to control social frustrations. It is thought that most protesters were migrant workers like the vendor.
Last week hundreds of migrant workers clashed with police in Chaozhou, also in Guangdong, following a dispute over unpaid wages. In Lichuan, Hubei, as many as 2,000 protesters attacked government headquarters last Thursday after a local politician who had complained about official corruption died in police custody.
Inner Mongolia recently saw its biggest street protests for 20 years, over the killing of a Mongolian herder who sought to halt coal trucks trespassing on grasslands.
Although the causes seem to have been very different in each case, the spate of incidents underlines the challenge that authorities face in preventing widespread grievances bursting out.
Unrest is thought to have become increasingly frequent, although data is hard to come by. The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences has estimated that there were more than 90,000 mass incidents in 2006, with further increases in the following two years.
China has increased its domestic security budget by 13.8% this year, to 624.4bn yuan (£59bn).
Police in Guangdong said on Sunday they had arrested 25 people after violence broke out on Friday night following a row between chengguan – low-level law enforcement officers – and a pregnant vendor during a crackdown on street stalls.
State news agency Xinhua said that Wang Lianmei fell during the dispute, while other accounts said that the chengguan had shoved her. The officers have a reputation for thuggish behaviour.
Other migrant workers from her province, Sichuan, quickly gathered, with some attacking police vehicles called to the scene with bottles, bricks and stones.
Another crowd gathered on Saturday as rumours spread that police had killed Wang's husband, Tang Xuecai, and that she had been seriously injured. Local media said he appeared at a press conference on Sunday to say that his wife and their baby were fine and that he was happy with the government's handling of the case.
"The case was just an ordinary clash between street vendors and local public security people but was used by a handful of people who wanted to cause trouble," said Ye Niuping, the local mayor, urging residents not to spread "concocted rumours".
The South China Morning Post said Xintang appeared to have calmed down on Sunday afternoon, with armed police and armoured vehicles patrolling the area, but that as many as 1,000 later gathered despite the heavy police presence.
"There were many people out on the streets late last night, shouting and trying to create chaos. Some of them even smashed police vehicles," said a worker from the nearby Fengcai clothing factory, adding that bosses barred employees from leaving the plant.
An employee at a hotel in the area said police had told them to stay indoors.
State news agency Xinhua reported on Monday that officials had sent work groups to villages, factories and residential communities to set the record straight.
Guangdong police headquarters declined to comment and calls to the local police station rang unanswered.
"There is a lot of pent up anger and frustration among ordinary people – not just migrant workers," said Geoff Crothall of Hong Kong's China Labour Bulletin, noting the different causes behind the recent outbreaks of unrest.
But he added: "There are many towns in Guangdong which are still very much [divided between] locals and outsiders. Migrant workers are still doing the lowest paid, dirtiest jobs and suffer discrimination on a daily basis. That's going to cause resentment and anger to build up."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...nter-third-day
From the above;
Unrest is thought to have become increasingly frequent, although data is hard to come by. The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences has estimated that there were more than 90,000 mass incidents in 2006, with further increases in the following two years.
well your question seems to be an 'are you a Catholic question'. You seem to be tying the abortion question to religion. Are you sure you're not American?Quote:
Originally Posted by socalI ask if you are pro abortion and you reply that you are an atheist ?:rolleyes: WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by bigtopskinnylegsSocal I am an athiest.Read again the above. To try and make light of that child is just twisted. Crawl back under yor stone:kma:Quote:
Originally Posted by socalare you pro abortion ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtopskinnylegs
Fuck off with your drivel Socal.
Now that is true, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
The Chinky Chonks do sell Grandmothers.
Prudent Grannies in China always have a sign outside their flat. 'No dogs or Chinamen '
You can tell they are Chinamen because 1) They come up to your knees. 2) Slitty eyed devils.
The ugly Chinaman, 1922, even the Chinese were saying it about themselves way back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_MoogNow that is true, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
The Chinky Chonks do sell Grandmothers.
Prudent Grannies in China always have a sign outside their flat. 'No dogs or Chinamen '
You can tell they are Chinamen because 1) They come up to your knees. 2) Slitty eyed devils.
There was a reason for those signs.
Let me just say though, that the Chinese I've spoken to about this all express the same outrage we have, and apparently the drivers and passersby have been identified. The drivers have been apprehended by the police and the passersby are apparently being hounded and harrased by neighbours and colleagues etc.
APPARENTLY. This is China, who knows the real truth.
^ exactly dude - who' know's?
but the fact that the majority are rushing to condemn is a good sign on the whole me thinks
https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...0212/scamp.jpg
Got it in one, anyway, Scamp.
I lived in Taiwan for 2 1/2 years. Although I'd say they are without a doubt the nicest Chinese people I've encountered anywhere, I did notice an odd thing in the paper once. Someone was disgusted that when a child there was run over by a car while the parents were away, some neighbours set up chairs nearby to wait and see the drama when the parents returned. And apparently that was not the only time it'd happened. However I'd say only a very small percentage of people there are like this. It's odd though. Nothing that any Westerner would ever do, unless they were psychopathic.....and there are a few of them.
Chinese people have always had a utilitarian attitude towards animals, though having said that, there are (or were, anyway) whole groups of Buddhists there who are vegetarian and show great compassion towards animals.
I'd say it's an underlying tendency to show little compassion and have any real sentiment or empathy which is being brought out and accentuated......by.... I still maintain.... what Communism has done to them. The people have been beaten and brutalized by the regime to such an extent that they have become de-humanized. Read "Wild Swans" by Jung Chang and you'll see what I mean.
Taiwanese and Mainlander Chinese are different in many ways. (and the same in many.)
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2011/10/2551.jpg
Little Yueyue is in a coma, and not brain dead, though has suffered substantial head and brain injuries.
I heard on BBC radio 4 that the first driver - essentially guilty of manslaughter, hit and run, driving without due care and attention etc... - phoned up the family of the child to complain that if it died he'd have to pay more compensation... though there is a LOT of hearsay drifting around, so take it with a pinch.
"Both drivers who ran over Yue Yue have been arrested, but claimed not to have seen the little girl in the 'dark' street."
Personally, I think all the passers-by should be charged with manslaughter and child neglect, and the drivers with as many things as possible.
In my experience, Taiwanese are usually the most pleasant orientals, despite their quirks. I don't think they are all pure Han either, many are mixed with aboriginal Austronesians, that gives them a slightly more Indo look, and some have a little Japanese in 'em.Quote:
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Communism 1000-700 B.C. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
Read "Wild Chinese" by HtG and you'll see what I mean. :rolleyes:
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Could this be the answer to these heartless chinese ?
"Book of Songs" (1000-700 B.C.)
"When a son is born,
Let him sleep on the bed,
Clothe him with fine clothes,
And give him jade to play...
When a daughter is born,
Let her sleep on the ground,
Wrap her in common wrappings,
And give broken tiles to play..."