Thread: Bangkok Will Escape Flooding: Yingluck

Originally Posted by aging one

A report from Don Muang.

But not the DM Airport flood relief center, right?

Were you ever there?

Criticise me for inaction begets it buddy!

My family and i spent two days there helping pack supplies as the wife refused to go to Koh Chang that we had booked. There were no colors in the airport just people working together you idiot. We rode their with our muban owner both times, a leading supporter of the Red Shirt movement. He knows our family's and most of the owners of houses here would be called PAD or Abisit supporters, its never been a problem. No hate only mutual respect even though there are very obviously different points of view as there have been for over 3 years.

At the airport there was no demarcation line of Reds and Yellows, it is just fellow Thai's working their ass off to help each other.

Does that answer your question one man band? You are in reality the only person in this whole thing who has brought in the Reds and the PAD. Fixated yes you are.

Originally Posted by aging one[B][I]

My family and i spent two days there helping pack supplies as the wife refused to go to Koh Chang that we had booked. There were no colors in the airport just people working together you idiot. [/I][/B]

Good for you Aging one.

So don't denigrate others who have done just as much or more.

You packed......I delivered 7 truckloads of stuff (big ones, only 2 pick-ups) plus 71,000 Baht.

But I did not criticise you for inaction......that is your albatross idiot.

^ Apparently he thinks you are bound to sit in front of your 'puter with TD on posting ever time you fart or about every drop of rain that falls on your home. This past week I have posted when I can, worked in our village building sandbag walls, read a good book etc

Although TD is part of our lives, it is not our life.

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(7.23AM) 70% of Rangsit area are submerged.Level of water is expected to rise till Oct 28 #thaifloodeng TR [at]wannasiri_


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Originally Posted by chitown

^ Apparently he thinks you are bound to sit in front of your 'puter with TD on posting ever time you fart or about every drop of rain that falls on your home. This past week I have posted when I can, worked in our village building sandbag walls, read a good book etc

Although TD is part of our lives, it is not our life.

Who ya talking about Chitown.

I dont think it was me.

You will notice I contribute to TD in spurts, being away most of the time.

Like I said elsewhere, I am peripherally involved with the Red Shirt Democracy Movement supporting those who are directly involved.

As a Farang, I make sure I remain 'peripheral"

But this peripheral observation makes me a window on their world.

But damn, I'm busy. They are an energetic group around here.

When they were raising a huge volume of goods and money over a three day period of flood relief stuff for delivery to DM Airport very early in this crisis, I drew a line at all-nighters.

I worked many a graveyard shift in my younger days, but no-more.

I just fail to see the need to call names and criticize. It is such and energy waster and does nothing for the forum.

Bangkok Post : PM takes charge of flood crisis

PM takes charge of flood crisis

Disaster law invoked as deluge enters city

• Published: 22/10/2011 at 12:00 AM
• Newspaper section: News

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has invoked the disaster prevention law to take full control of flood operations as run-off from the North has started surging into Bangkok.


Flood-hit residents in Nonthaburi’s Bang Bua Thong district are evacuated by boat after floodwater inundated their homes in Bang Bua Thong Municipality yesterday. CHANAT KATANYU

Bangkok Governor Sukhumbhand Paribatra yesterday said there were signs the northern run-off has entered the capital.

First, the water level in Khlong 2 in Rangsit continued to rise despite the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) opening its floodgate wider.

Second, the rising floodwater broke an embankment at Phahon Yothin Road near Khlong Rangsit in Pathum Thani, causing water to spill on to the streets.

However, the governor said flood barriers are expected to be put in place in time to ease the impact on central Bangkok.

Soldiers have now been deployed in flood-prone areas to watch for any emergencies, the governor said, adding that military trucks are ready to evacuate people.

In the face of an increasingly tense battle with the rising water and what appeared to be inter-agency bickering, Prime Minister Yingluck yesterday invoked the disaster prevention law to consolidate power over flood management efforts.

Section 31 of the Disaster Prevention and Mitigation Act (2007) gives the prime minister full control over officials around the country, including in Bangkok.

Under the law, all officials must report directly to the prime minister as the director of the relief operation. Those who refuse to follow orders can be prosecuted for malfeasance or serious dereliction of duty.

Following the invocation of the law, the premier ordered the BMA to open all sluice gates in Bangkok to allow the overflow from the North to pass through the city and on to the sea. The amount of waterflow will be controlled so the capital is not harmed.

The invocation of the law follows a perceived conflict between City Hall and the government's Flood Relief Operations Command (Froc).

Despite Froc's request, the BMA has reportedly refused to open all sluice gates in Bangkok to allow floodwater to drain through the city's canal network.

"I'm asking the BMA to fully perform its duty," said Ms Yingluck.

"I'm pleased the BMA will [manage the overflow], and Froc is ready to give support. But if the BMA can't take care of it, Froc will take over."

The premier has also appointed a committee to manage flood drainage in disaster areas chaired by Veera Wongsaengnak, former deputy chief of the Royal Irrigation Department.

The committee, made up of former RID chiefs and experts in water management and geoinformatics, will lay down guidelines for Froc to deal with the floods. It will also work with the BMA regarding waterflow management.

Ms Yingluck said some agencies were ordered to open all floodgates for full water drainage but later checks found they did not comply. It is understood she was referring to City Hall.

In invoking the disaster law, Ms Yingluck also ordered the Defence Ministry and the army to protect key places, including the Grand Palace, other palaces, Siriraj Hospital, flood barrier lines, utilities units and Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports.

Froc yesterday also set up a forward command, headed by permanent secretary for interior Pranai Suwanrath, to oversee flood operations in east Bangkok.

Responding to the invocation of the disaster prevention law, MR Sukhumbhand insisted it does not affect City Hall's powers to manage the flood.

He said the law actually enables the BMA to instruct state agencies that do not come under City Hall under normal circumstances to assist in flood relief operations in the capital.

MR Sukhumbhand rejected suggestions of a conflict between him and the government on how to deal with floods.

"There are just different interpretations," he said, adding that City Hall has cooperated by opening some sluice gates in Bangkok, though not all of them.

Meanwhile, some areas of Don Muang and Laksi districts in Bangkok have been inundated by overflow from Khlong Prapa.

Metropolitan Waterworks Authority governor Charoen Phassa yesterday said run-off had burst through a flood barrier at Khlong Bang Luang in Bangkok Yai district and swept into Khlong Prapa.

The incident caused the canal to overflow into Don Muang and Chaeng Wattana Road in Laksi.

The overflow problem has been brought under control and the floods there are expected to recede in the next few days, Mr Charoen said.

Don Muang district office chief Phumiphat Damrongkiatisak said Khlong Prapa's rising levels breached a barrier and flooded a 500m section of Song Prapa Road in Don Muang. Efforts were being made to pump the water into Khlong Prem Prachakorn.

MR Sukhumbhand, however, expressed concern that if the water in Khlong Prapa continues to rise, then floods will be inevitable on Vibhavadi Rangsit Road.

The governor said that more than 1,400 residents in Don Muang affected by floods have been evacuated to two evacuation shelters in the area.

Bangkok Post : Relief effort falters in Bang Bua Thong

Relief effort falters in Bang Bua Thong

Thousands trapped, boats in short supply

• Published: 22/10/2011 at 12:00 AM
• Newspaper section: News

Officials and rescue workers trying to help flood victims trapped in Nonthaburi's Bang Bua Thong district have been struggling to carry out their tasks.

A shortage of boats with engines has been a significant obstacle.

Nonthaburi governor Wichian Phuttiwinyu said the district faced the province's worst flooding. Floodwater has covered almost 100% of Bang Bua Thong.

The province has mobilised all resources, including staff, cars and boats to provide assistance to flood-affected people in Bang Bua Thong, Pak Kret and Sai Noi districts, with support from 450 troops from the Air Defence Command and the 2nd Army Region.

Vehicles used in the flood relief operations include 86 cars, 24 shuttle buses, rowing boats and boats with engines.

Mr Wichian said officials and rescue workers have experienced difficulty reaching flood victims.

They need more boats with engines to quickly reach those people trapped in their houses in flooded housing estates, he said.

Nonthaburi province has only a limited number of boats with engines, added the governor.

The province has asked the Royal Thai Police and the Flood Relief Operations Command (Froc) to lend the province more boats.

The Royal Thai Police has agreed to lend the province 10 boats.

Froc has agreed to lend the province more boats, high-wheeled vehicles and water pumps, said Mr Wichian.

Maj Gen Veeran Chanthasatkoson, the deputy commander of the Air Defence Command who led a group of troopers to support Nonthaburi's flood relief operations, said thousands of people were still trapped in their houses in Bang Bua Thong district.

Over the past three days, about 3,000 people have sought help at the province's evacuation centre, said Maj Gen Veeran.

An 8km stretch of the Bang Kruai-Sai Noi road is flooded, which is also hampering relief operations.

Troops had to gain access to the district through Rattanathibet Road, and large vehicles could not go through small roads in housing estates in the district to reach those in need.

Adding to the woes, the floodwater current in the district is very strong in places, added Maj Gen Veeran.

In Nonthaburi's Bang Yai district, floodwater has continued to rise.

With almost the whole of Bang Bua Thong district inundated, the flood level near Thanon Canal in Bang Yai district, adjacent to Bua Thong 1 housing estate, has risen to over one metre. Areas on both sides of Kanchanaphisek Road (Taling Chan-Suphan Buri) in front of Bang Yai Market are also flooded.

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by chitown

I just fail to see the need to call names and criticize. It is such and energy waster and does nothing for the forum.

Right.

So dont point to one of my posts and make comments that are unfounded in fact.

Suggesting I don't have a life outside TD is ridiculous.

You only see me here in spurts and I dissapear for lengthy periods of time, as I note in my Post above.

Don't put me in SD's class

I never suggested anything of the sort. I think you are a bit confused. Conversation is over.

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Thammasat Rangsit starts evacuation and cuts electricity in some parts after flooding hits but assures evacuation center is still safe

Thai-ASEAN News Network

PM Defends Necessity for Flood Water to Be Drained through BKK

UPDATE : 22 October 2011

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra held her weekly radio address, stressing that Thailand is facing a severe flood crisis and flood water will definitely enter Bangkok but the authorities will protect key areas from flooding. She added that she is preparing 1,743 evacuation centers which will be able to accommodate 800,000 people.

During the PM’s weekly radio address, she noted that key areas in Bangkok which will be saved are palaces, hospitals, government offices and key economic areas such as the Don Mueang Airport, the skytrain and the subway.

She confirmed the authorities will keep expressways and overpasses unblocked to prevent a traffic gridlock. Moreover, electricity and water plants will have to be saved as well.

Yingluck warned Bangkok residents to move belongings higher by at least one meter and prepare for four to six weeks of flooding.

She said for this crisis, everyone must not discriminate nor panic but they must not be complacent either. She added the government will try to minimize damage and lessen people’s sufferings as soon as possible.

YIngluck stated the northern flood runoff has to pass through Bangkok and drained out to sea as soon as possible via the opening of Bangkok canals’ floodgates. She assured the volume will be controlled so as not to cause widespread flooding which will affect residents.

She defended the decision, stating that failures with efforts to block the flood water shows that it is futile to build flood barriers to prevent the flow of water from higher elevation to lower elevation and doing so will only increase its strength and cause an overflow. She added that the temporary flood barriers of sandbags can only slow water but cannot stop it completely. With the added rain, the situation is worsened.

^ Oh crap...

This is from this morning...just a short while ago.

4 to 6 weeks......

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

She defended the decision, stating that failures with efforts to block the flood water shows that it is futile to build flood barriers to prevent the flow of water from higher elevation to lower elevation and doing so will only increase its strength and cause an overflow.

about fucking time she started to understand this, I guess the 1000 boat idea was also another Thai logic failure

MCOT_Eng MCOT English News

Water from Klong Prapa overflows to flood Chaeng Wattana road by 30 cm deep; flyover bridges jammed with parked cars

Floodwall ruptures, water penetrates into Thammasat Univ, Rangsit Campus where shelter located; repair continues, situation not critical

Here is the best site I have found. A friend sent it to me. But you must read Thai or have a Thai speaker to give you a hand. It is in real time.


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Overflow of Prapa Canal still flooding Chaengwattana, Songprapa roads;Don Mueang Airport has asked motorists to move cars to higher floors

Thammasat Rangsit sees flooding to waist level in 1/4 of its area but assures 4.2m flood barrier can still hold out most of the water

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I guess the 1000 boat idea was also another Thai logic failure

Plodprasop stated that it was a scientifically proven method to speed up the river flow rate.
He said that 1000 boats would increase the flow by 30%.

Later he said an additional 67000 boats would be needed, presumable he wanted to increase the flow by 2000 percent.
If only we had listened to him, he would have emptied the river in 6 hours

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Don Mueang Airport has asked motorists to move cars to higher floors

Seriously? I thought the 1st floor of the parking garage was really high to begin with. It has been a long time since I was there, am I right?

That is another crazy announcement. Now its going to be nuts in that car park one car turning left and one turning right. There is no water on the roads in front of DM and my buddy is in the airport hotel. More ways to confuse the public.