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    The only reason I don't like stuff like this is that it gives the Blue Suede Shoes another excuse to bored us shitless with their fucking faux indignation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post

    I am sure no political intent was intended, but where do they get the information on the uniforms and regalia?
    In particular the drum majorette's baton - which Hitler frequently carried.

    And the pink satin pantaloons

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
    And the pink satin pantaloons
    aren't they great ? I bet you could picture yourself in them, and I think you would look fantastic in them for a night out on Silom

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    ^ I have some. But not pink. Its that two tone green/red silk. I had them tailor made in Soi Pradipat.

    Trouble is I am too fat to fit in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
    Trouble is I am too fat to fit in them.
    don't let that stop you, will make you twice as popular in the gay clubs,

    alternatively, you could wear them on your head

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCM View Post

    Not sure if your "second thoughts" also included the point that the Japanese occupation (I suspect most Thai would regard it more as a "presence" - if they know of it at all) just doesn't have the same resonance for (most of) them as it does for Westerners and Chinese/Koreans.

    Up in Mae Hong Son at Khun Yuam (Imperial Japanese Army's base for the campaign against British Burma), there's a museum dedicated to the period. For 10 baht you can tour the place; aside from all the abandoned hardware and other military paraphernalia on display, there are eye-opening photographs and a video presentation that reveal just how "ordinary" the occupation/presence was - Japanese soldiers helping with the harvest and generally mixing happily with the local population. The whole impression is radically different from all the images that we're used to - whether Nanking, the Philippines or, of course, the abuse of Allied prisoners (as well as more numerous Malays and Indians) on the Death Railway and other forced labour projects.

    A few links:

    “Skeleton Road”
    Japanese War Museum
    Chiangmai Mail - Vol. IV No. 21 - Saturday May 21 - May 27, 2005 [at]&nbsp Features
    Chiangmai Mail - Vol. V No. 8 - Saturday February 18 - February 24, 2006 [at]&nbsp News
    Interpreting history can be tricky and reliance on primary sources is not necessarily a reliable prism.
    Photographs are a case in point. The Japanese were keen to promote the notion of peaceful co - existence among Asian states and was often pedalled as a precursor to invasion. The Thai really had little choice in the matter and were occupied in areas which best suited their overall strategy. Photographs of Japanese merrily getting in the harvest for themselves and locals alike were just propaganda. For many Thai starvation and brutal treatment were the reality. Indeed, a significant proportion of Thai assisted the allies but this was quite overshadowed by the condominium govt entered into voluntarily by the Thai with the Japanese. Mountbatten wanted to annex the Southern states in reparation but this didn't suit the American policy. What a pity, eh? Wouldn't have the problems now if Mountbatten had had his way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
    Trouble is I am too fat to fit in them.
    don't let that stop you, will make you twice as popular in the gay clubs,

    alternatively, you could wear them on your head
    I bought a military helmet from the museum in Kanchanaburi. I wear that on my head.

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    Does the name Chamberlain and the word appeasement mean anything anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
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    Not quite willy,

    The swastika has an extensive history. It
    was used at least 5,000 years before Adolf Hitler designed the Nazi flag. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means good fortune or well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism. It is a common sight on temples or houses in India or Indonesia. Swastikas also have an ancient history in Europe, appearing on artifacts from pre-Christian European cultures.
    it's the sign of life, and also used by "ancient aliens" worshipers like that odd cult from Canada

    Hitler himself believe in a "pure" race coming from "ancient aliens" descendants and use extensively symbols from primitive asian religious culture where "alien civilization" were central. This why those symbols were used, they mean Life as intended by the "creators", that is superior life.
    When you see this symbol on ancient monuments and artefacts are they not in the negative ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    Photographs of Japanese merrily getting in the harvest for themselves and locals alike were just propaganda.
    Been there have you? Seen them have you? Most are amateur snaps taken by the soldiers themselves - not the Imperial Japanese Army's Photographic Unit. That's quite apart from other evidence available - primary and otherwise. Just because the pics are in black and white doesn't mean the thinking has to be likewise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    I could do her Nazi little ass,

    Attracted to schoolchildren, are you?
    Must be a Muslim.

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    I have an interest in WW2 history, and have often asked Thais about that period of time, with the same result usually. If they had heard anything about it, the facts were severely lacking.

    The Thai education system is a joke, I have met Thais who are quite switched on who have told me that they didn't believe dinosaurs ever existed, and why was this?

    It was because it was drummed into them at school!


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    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    Mountbatten wanted to annex the Southern states in reparation but this didn't suit the American policy. What a pity, eh? Wouldn't have the problems now if Mountbatten had had his way.
    probably be worse, judging from other British annexations and divisions



    Quote Originally Posted by SteveCM
    Just because the pics are in black and white doesn't mean the thinking has to be likewise.
    very cute!

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    Does anybody remember the furore when a prize was awarded for a hitler costume at an Israeli school?

    I can't find a reference for it but am quite sure it was even discussed here on TeakDoor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meow
    The Thai education system is a joke
    that is a whole other thread! totally agree, my wife is uni educated and knew very little about the outside world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers
    Does anybody remember the furore when a prize was awarded for a hitler costume at an Israeli school?
    what was the prize, a side of bacon?

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    Makes me laugh when the press comments along the lines of the kids are "seemingly oblivious" and the punters swallow it.

    How could kids research the uniforms and iconography and not come into contact with the history behind it..?

    Yes Thais can be stupid but these kids are not that stupid, I remember a similar student day a few years ago with exactly the same Nazi regalia and the national pres were similarly shocked then at the kids 'naivete'...

    Wake up ffs, they live in a xenophobic closed culture with nationalistic indoctrination and are inherently racist within their own society, why wouldn't they idolize and emulate a culture that epitomises their own upbringing?

    The only problem here is the matter of face, the world may see these pictures and realize what a nasty fascist society Thailand really is, so better to downplay it by reverting to stereotypes and say that Thai kids are just dumb, they don't really understand what they are doing.


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    ^Neo this is the British Press. It doesn't actually care about the xenophobic undercurrents. They just want pix of girls in jackboots.

    The Daily Mail does at least one Adolph story per day. Not long ago they found a semi-detached house that looked like the Fuhrer.

    Of course, famously, the Daily Mail endorsed Hitler in the thirties. If you try reminding them of that in their feedback section, they...er...won't publish your comment though.

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    Seriously though, if Hitler and the Nazis have been reduced to comic fancy dress, then job done, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
    Not long ago they found a semi-detached house that looked like the Fuhrer.
    How so?

    Did the house have a funny moustache?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers
    Does anybody remember the furore when a prize was awarded for a hitler costume at an Israeli school? I can't find a reference for it but am quite sure it was even discussed here on TeakDoor.
    It was an Australian school. School apologizes over Hitler costume - JPost - International

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    ^^Ah, I see...
    Bit far-fetched, must have been a quiet news day.

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    I'm very surprised top hear about that. I thought Thailand supported the Nazi's during WW2. Thai, Japan and Germany against the Allies.

    I'm even sure that the Germans were mentioned in the WW2 museum in Kanchanaburi. Surely there must be someone who knows this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers
    Does anybody remember the furore when a prize was awarded for a hitler costume at an Israeli school? I can't find a reference for it but am quite sure it was even discussed here on TeakDoor.
    It was an Australian school. School apologizes over Hitler costume - JPost - International
    Furore.... from the Jerusalem Post?

    This is the first I've heard of it.

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