Mass grave of 169-Police suspect they have found bodies of missing reds

**baby maker** · 19-08-2011, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I thought Thais were normally cremated?.

Not much that you could call "normal" about this. A couple of guys roll up at the temple with a truck full of bodies; dig a big hole with an excavator and drop them in and nobody even calls the cops? Can you imagine....

....wonder if the Abbot was watching the riots ....next day...
...on his "new" big assed high defination TV....

FarangRed · 19-08-2011, 07:55 AM

Wherever they came from whats the saffron worriers doing allowing it to happen so much for religion in this country my guess they were paid to keep the mouths shut.

Only one religion in Thailand thats money

**ceburat** · 19-08-2011, 08:03 AM

Has a Hold Departure order been issued yet for Kun Mark?

**Thormaturge** · 19-08-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I thought Thais were normally cremated?.

I mulled this point over too, and also the thought that if these were red/black shirt people then a mass cremation might have best covered up the evidence.

Burying the bodies is the quick option however, and draws little attention. A large bonfire would draw attention, as would scores of individual cremations. A mass grave thus seems even more suspicious. It suggests a desire to dispose of the bodies quickly. hmmmm

FarangRed · 19-08-2011, 08:15 AM

It seems they guys who brought the bodies told the monks they would come back later to burn them, in the Thai news

**The Bold Rodney** · 19-08-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Quote: Originally Posted by socal Thai people don't seem to have allot of patients. patience. Allot means "to distribute between or among". Alot is not a word either (if that was what you meant).

"noodless" it's pointless trying to teach "social" better English "alot" of the time because he has no "patient" as he talks out of his arse most of the time!

**BaitongBoy** · 19-08-2011, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

as he talks out of his arse

And that is truly an art...

FarangRed · 19-08-2011, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

as he talks out of his arse

And that is truly an art...

Stand up we cant hear you

**Khun Custard** · 19-08-2011, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by SteveCM

local talk is of the bodies being "from the south" "from the tsunami".

The remains of tsunami victims from Chumporn laid to rest in Ranong I can understand, but the rationale of a +700km relocation to Rayong I cannot understand.

FarangRed · 19-08-2011, 08:25 AM

The Tsunami didn't hit Chumpon

**baby maker** · 19-08-2011, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by FarangRed

The Tsunami didn't hit Chumpon

....the bodies...seemed to have washed a long way...you gotta admitt...

**thehighlander959** · 19-08-2011, 08:35 AM

I can hear them getting warmed up in The Hague...... All males killed by the tsunami and relocated over 800 kilometres for a quick burial and no Buddhist cremation??????? So there were no females killed in the tsunami?

I think that this could come back and bite Mark and his coalition government in the ass, he and his government better hope and pray that when they carry out the DNA testing on the bodies that none of the DNA matches the missing personnel from the riots last year.
If it is the case there will be no hiding place for him or the rest of his cronies and this new government will take them to the cleaners.

**The Bold Rodney** · 19-08-2011, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

What the hell..!? I hadn't even heard about the missing so this is astonishing.

It was rumoured right after the Bankok killings that many more people went missing during the Bankok demonstrations but suprisingly little or nothing was mentioned in the goverment controlled press here.

Families were saying they couldn't contact their relatives after the demonstrations but again nothing was ever reported.

Pictures of people both men and women shot on the sidewalk oiutside of their homes (NOT dressed in Black or Red) were circulated amongst Thais here but as far as I know they never appeared publicly anywhere, at least I never saw them on the Internet or anywhere else for that matter.

As far as the "Tsunami Victims" rumour is concerned obviously the "yellow pricks like social, pupa etc. would love to believe that" but we'll have to wait and see.

If it's true that they were Reds then Marky and one or two others may be in for a very rough ride in the near future "reconcilliation process or not"!

The timing of this discovery is interesting and the police must have known about these graves I for one wonder if there are going to be any more discoveries in the near future? I hope not.

**koman** · 19-08-2011, 09:05 AM

To speculate without data is a capital mistake said Holmes to Watson.

The article does not seem to state when the burials took place.
If these bodies are tsunami victims, where have they been keeping them since 2004?

If they are the missing "Reds" surely the shit is going to hit the fan. It's pretty hard to hide 169 bodies without a lot of people knowing about it, and pretty astonishing that they can just be buried in mass graves at a couple of temples without a lot of questions being asked at the time.

What kind of "charity organization" goes around burying hundreds of people with an excavator?

What kind of Abbot says, "Ok you can dig over there..how many do you have?"
BTW, do you guys have any ID? NO...never mind.

Whoever these poor sods are, I'm quite sure someone will blame Thaksin....

**DrB0b** · 19-08-2011, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by koman

To speculate without data is a capital mistake said Holmes to Watson.

Quite. The bodies haven't even been exhumed yet.

Originally Posted by koman

What kind of "charity organization" goes around burying hundreds of people with an excavator?

Thai ones. Believe it or not there are hundreds of unclaimed bodies of accident victims in Thailand every year , disposing of the bodies once they reach a critical mass is not uncommon. Cremation is the normal method of disposal although there have been cases of bodies temporarily buried until there are enough corpses to justify a mass cremation. (There's a well-known video of a Thai rescue crew holding a ceremony for a large number of unclaimed corpses, this being the internet the video of a Thai ceremony honoring unclaimed victims is now being passed off as a video of a Mexican rescue crew cannibalising the corpses of road-accident victims.)

I would wait for exhumation and autopsy of the bodies before speculating too much on who they are.

**Thormaturge** · 19-08-2011, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by koman

Whoever these poor sods are, I'm quite sure someone will blame Thaksin....

While the Democrats were in government Thaksin was the popular whipping boy for just about everything that went wrong.

It's Abhisit's turn now. He had better get used to it.

**The Bold Rodney** · 19-08-2011, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by koman

To speculate without data is a capital mistake said Holmes to Watson.

Holmes and Watson were of course pure fiction and besides that "speculation" can often be correct not least by using common sense and of course who could trust any data supplied by the previous government here? that was "pure fiction"!.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Quite. The bodies haven't even been exhumed yet.

I'll say no more other than to say...you may have seen too many "Holmes and Watson" movies!

**Buksida** · 19-08-2011, 09:58 AM

I remember not so long ago there were stories of containers full of skeletons off the coast of Satahip. Speculation was it may have been bodies from 2009 riots or May 1993 protests.

It took the govt. a long time to act, when the divers finally got there they found no bodies.

The Nation article says the police have 'discovered' 169 bodies, yet they haven't been exhumed, so how can they be sure of the number?

Then the Amsterdam piece quotes the abbot:
"I never saw the condition of those bodies- they just told me these were just the human bones wrapped in white fabric and put inside the coffins. Those coffins were carried inside by the lorry and they used the excavator to dig a hole and buried the bodies - those 72 bodies were all men."

If the bodies were human bones, wrapped inside coffins, how does he know they were male?

**The Bold Rodney** · 19-08-2011, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Buksida

The Nation article says the police have 'discovered' 169 bodies, yet they haven't been exhumed, so how can they be sure of the number?

Calculator?

**Buksida** · 19-08-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by Buksida

The Nation article says the police have 'discovered' 169 bodies, yet they haven't been exhumed, so how can they be sure of the number?

Calculator?

How do you count bodies underground?

**StrontiumDog** · 19-08-2011, 10:11 AM

robertamsterdam Robert Amsterdam

Latest reports I am hearing is that it is unlikely that the mass graves discovered in Thailand are disappeared Red Shirts from 2010.

**Calgary** · 19-08-2011, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Neo

What the hell..!? I hadn't even heard about the missing so this is astonishing.

I heard a lot of talk about the dead and dissapeared far exceeding the favorite total of 91 repeated over and over by the Amart media. And then trying to minimize Red Shirt deaths by vaguely mentioning that most deaths were from them, trying to imply that there was some sort of balanced death totals from their military friends and the Red Shirts. Never mind that soldiers came in guns ablaze and putting the boots to old and young alike in their encampments.

The whole notion of 'black shirts' among the RS, was just an Amart red herring.

There were consistent reports from months after the Bkk. events, people had not yet returned to their homes.

The UDD several times urged the police to look into this matter, but were ignored.

These bodies stemmed primarily from Phan Fa Bridge.

It was also common knowledge that as soon as the military killed a Red Shirt, they made every attempt to remove the body asap. I recall hearing talk about bodies being visible under tarps of military vehicles departing Phan Fa Bridge.

**The Bold Rodney** · 19-08-2011, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Buksida

How do you count bodies underground?

God "busida" stupid or what, if they've uncovered the bodies and left them where they lay and they haven't been actually exhumed. How the fuck do you think they arrived at the figure of 169?

p.s. The "calculator" post was a joke, much like your processes of thought are!

**Buksida** · 19-08-2011, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by Buksida

How do you count bodies underground?

God "busida" stupid or what, if they've uncovered the bodies and left them where they lay and they haven't been actually exhumed.

Where does it say they've been uncovered? Discovered is the word used. To exhume is to dig up.

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

How the fuck do you think they arrived at the figure of 169?

I wouldn't have a clue, that's why I asked the question. Not the sharpest knife in the draw are you.

Maybe they abbot told them, the same guy who knew they were all male even though they were in coffins.

**Calgary** · 19-08-2011, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by socal

Do you really think the yellow's knocked off 169 of the reds ?

Yellows?..........I suppose one could make a case for linking the military to the "yellow's" Or PAD.

There has been zero tolerance by the UDD/Red Shirts at any kind of accomodation with the Yellow's/PAD (I speak from direct experience in this regard)

To the UDD/RS, they see little space between the PAD/Amart/Military/other important people. They conclude that the bullets flying at Ratchaprasong were sourced from that combination of societal elements, and all are equally implicated.

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