Thread: Thai elections 2011-Thai PM sets stage for tough election

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Oh, lots of nasty insults. What a surprise. Not even that original too. I actually didn't use any absolutes (in the way that you are inferring). I made a comparison (between the Dem's and Pheu Thai) and they are also opinions, not facts. I said the Dem's have been awful (an opinion, my opinion, not a FACT). I then said it is looking like Pheu Thai are going to be pretty bad. Now, maybe you aren't adept at English, but awful is usually a synonym for terrible/diabolical/atrocious. In other words, very bad. Note the use of the adverb. However, pretty bad is usually used to mean somewhat less than bad. You do know about adverbs and adjectives, right Bobby? (link to help you Awful Synonyms, Awful Antonyms | Thesaurus.com). I give this opinion based upon the 4 lawsuits either instigated or threatened by Pheu Thai over the last week and a half. I think it is a fair and reasonable point. If Pheu Thai are going to silence their opponents with lawsuits every time anyone dares to suggest any wrongdoing on their part, then that is not a great future for Thailand or the fledgling democracy here. It is the sort of behaviour we see from Berlusconi in Italy and indeed Thaksin was rather fond of such threats during his previous tenures. However, if you think that is an acceptable manner in which to govern a country, as it is looking like Pheu Thai will be the winner, then so be it. I don't. My main point was about this. You decided to include the Democrat's past failings (as some weird justification/defense/deflaction) in the following posts. I was originally assessing Pheu Thai in isolation. As such my point is valid. I believe that wrongdoings should be exposed and challenged. I believe that those entrusted to govern should be open to criticism. I believe all are equal. I have written numerous times of my feelings on the Democrat's tenure and how appallingly they have done (although miraculously you appear to have a sudden total memory fail!!!!!). My fear is that whilst there may be some improvement with Pheu Thai, the important issues, such as corruption, human rights, freedom of the press, freedom of expression, justice for those who died in May 2010, etc, are going to be ignored. The Pheu Thai are setting the stage for the future. It is fair and reasonable to predict what the Pheu Thai government may be like by how they operate at the moment (and indeed operated in the past), just as you, I and anyone else may predict what a Democrat government may look like based upon their past and present behaviour/actions (you are after all well known for your views on how the past affects the future...) I've done nothing untoward, unusual or strange. I want to see an open, accountable government here. Pheu Thai appear to not want that. I hope I am wrong. You appear to be doing the very thing you accuse me of. You have misinterpreted the meaning and intent of my post and drawn some bizarre conclusions. I can only assume that this is due to your never-ending obsession with attacking me at every opportunity. Your hate has coloured your judgment. Your failing is ably demonstrated by this bizarre sentence, drawing a conclusion that I have never made, but is a massive assumption on your part...

Originally Posted by DrB0b

the weirdly hysterical tone of your posts

Q.E.D.

Can some find the full quote from Bobby where he says 'wrong is wrong', it's almost the exact opposite of what he typed above.

Bobby seems to be debating with himself, priceless!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Oh, lots of nasty insults. What a surprise. Not even that original too. I actually didn't use any absolutes (in the way that you are inferring). I made a comparison (between the Dem's and Pheu Thai) and they are also opinions, not facts. I said the Dem's have been awful (an opinion, my opinion, not a FACT). I then said it is looking like Pheu Thai are going to be pretty bad. Now, maybe you aren't adept at English, but awful is usually a synonym for terrible/diabolical/atrocious. In other words, very bad. Note the use of the adverb. However, pretty bad is usually used to mean somewhat less than bad. You do know about adverbs and adjectives, right Bobby? (link to help you Awful Synonyms, Awful Antonyms | Thesaurus.com). I give this opinion based upon the 4 lawsuits either instigated or threatened by Pheu Thai over the last week and a half. I think it is a fair and reasonable point. If Pheu Thai are going to silence their opponents with lawsuits every time anyone dares to suggest any wrongdoing on their part, then that is not a great future for Thailand or the fledgling democracy here. It is the sort of behaviour we see from Berlusconi in Italy and indeed Thaksin was rather fond of such threats during his previous tenures. However, if you think that is an acceptable manner in which to govern a country, as it is looking like Pheu Thai will be the winner, then so be it. I don't. My main point was about this. You decided to include the Democrat's past failings (as some weird justification/defense/deflaction) in the following posts. I was originally assessing Pheu Thai in isolation. As such my point is valid. I believe that wrongdoings should be exposed and challenged. I believe that those entrusted to govern should be open to criticism. I believe all are equal. I have written numerous times of my feelings on the Democrat's tenure and how appallingly they have done (although miraculously you appear to have a sudden total memory fail!!!!!). My fear is that whilst there may be some improvement with Pheu Thai, the important issues, such as corruption, human rights, freedom of the press, freedom of expression, justice for those who died in May 2010, etc, are going to be ignored. The Pheu Thai are setting the stage for the future. It is fair and reasonable to predict what the Pheu Thai government may be like by how they operate at the moment (and indeed operated in the past), just as you, I and anyone else may predict what a Democrat government may look like based upon their past and present behaviour/actions (you are after all well known for your views on how the past affects the future...) I've done nothing untoward, unusual or strange. I want to see an open, accountable government here. Pheu Thai appear to not want that. I hope I am wrong. You appear to be doing the very thing you accuse me of. You have misinterpreted the meaning and intent of my post and drawn some bizarre conclusions. I can only assume that this is due to your never-ending obsession with attacking me at every opportunity. Your hate has coloured your judgment. Your failing is ably demonstrated by this bizarre sentence, drawing a conclusion that I have never made, but is a massive assumption on your part...

Originally Posted by DrB0b

the weirdly hysterical tone of your posts

Q.E.D.

That's weirdly hysterical? I thought it was a rather nice, measured reply, where I owned you (using your own words, surely a new low for you), demonstrated that you twist peoples words to feed your own agenda and are generally not a very nice person (the sadistic element, off-loading all your own pent-up frustration on to others, to give you some sort of release. Cathartic, right? Totally without thought or consideration for the person you are doing it to. Today it appears I am the chosen one. Tomorrow, who knows?). I didn't stray into too many insults and generally replied, explaining myself and demonstrating a lot more respect for you, than you do for me.

I think you are projecting Bobby.

Or just really desperate to find something to attack me with...

Try again, as i just know that you will!

Originally Posted by Buksida

Can some find the full quote from Bobby where he says 'wrong is wrong', it's almost the exact opposite of what he typed above.

Bobby seems to be debating with himself, priceless!

Just lovely isn't it.

It is a never ending cycle. He just throws stuff out there to win arguments. He can never be seen to be wrong.

He fell in to this one beautifully...and watch how the TeakDoor intellectual colossus (his belief and the sycophants who feed this belief) ignores his failing. No integrity. No responsibility. Never ever an apology. Just vicious, vitriol. The sycophants wont call him on it, but let it continue. They will watch and applaud from the sidelines (probably with a few PM's flying back and forwards). Watch how they all get uppity if such vitriol is directed at them though...

Then he goes on to use lines from such luminaries as Noodles (the hysterical bit, absolute rubbish, but he seems to think this is a good line of attack, despite it having failed on numerous previous occasions...or as Einstein is credited with saying; "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results") as some sort of lame rearguard action.

The best bit is that Blobby and the sycophants (good name for a pop group) are all indignant and self-righteous about human rights abuses, inequality, imbalances of power, injustice (etc etc) and like to assume the moral high ground here but they are more than happy for one of their own to engage in the targeting and abuse of others (and probably green the sadist too). Total hypocrisy, total inability to reflect on their own behaviour, total ignorance. It reveals everything about their personality types and intellectual functioning. They unwittingly reveal a lot about themselves....

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

That's weirdly hysterical?

Yes, very much so. As I've said before I strongly believe that you are either mentally ill or are very much alone. Every post you make, that is your own posts and not the 99% of posts you make which are stolen from other sources, goes to reinforce that belief.

Well, as you are a disingenuous, deceitful individual, who lacks anything remotely resembling integrity and gets off on attacking others and positively enjoys watching others experience discomfort and pain (as evidenced by the incredible amount of people you have attacked on this board), may I suggest that anything you say about anyone is purely designed to feed your own very bloated ego, as some sort of weird psychological displacement, thereby distracting you from your own inane, turgid existence.

In short, you're talking bollox.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13924176.htm

Interview: Thai PM rules out invisible hand

English.news.cn 2011-06-11 19

by Nutthathirataa Withitwinyuchon

BANGKOK, June 11 (Xinhua) -- Thailand's caretaker Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has denied the rumor that the invisible hand would return his party to power even if it loses in the general election on July 3.
"Only the people's hands determine the country's future, no invisible hand," the premier told Xinhua on Friday.

Abhisit made the remarks when he took part in his ruling Democrat Party's first major election campaign at a university in Saimai District, north of Bangkok. The party has never had a member of parliament in this district.

The opposition Pheu Thai Party premier candidate Yingluck Shinnawatra, sister of the ousted premier Thaksin, insisted on Thursday that the runner-up party should allow the winner to form the government first.

The political conflict between the pro-Thaksin United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship known as red-shirts and the pro- establishment People's Alliance for Democracy known as yellow- shirts has left the country divided since Thaksin Shinnawatra was toppled in 2006 coup. The reconciliation among different political camps will become an urgent issue in the wake of the election.

Abhisit believed reconciliation could be realized if the country's leader accepts different political stance but he also noted the reconciliation should not be done for the sake of anybody.

"Reconciliation could be achieved with the leader who is calm, collected and listening to everybody. I think I've shown that I have the tolerance and patience and respect the differences that people have. And certainly reconciliation is not about white washing people," Abhisit said.

He referred to the Pheu Thai Party's plan to enact an amnesty law after taking office. The law will pave the way for returning of the fugitive Thaksin, who has been living in exile since 2008.

He added that in a bid to achieve healthy reconciliation, the Democrats would uphold the rule of law, allow independent commission to make recommendation and respect everybody's views.

Asked whether he is confident the Democrats would win the upcoming election, Abishit replied Thai people, especially farmers who make up a majority, are very pleased with the party's income program.

As to recent opinion polls that Pheu Thai Party would gain the most seats, Abhisit said: "I think the silent majority has had enough of having to succumb to noisy people. It's time now that the majority of the people determine the future of this country."

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The best bit is that Blobby and the sycophants (good name for a pop group) are all indignant and self-righteous about human rights abuses, inequality, imbalances of power, injustice (etc etc) and like to assume the moral high ground here but they are more than happy for one of their own to engage in the targeting and abuse of others (and probably green the sadist too). Total hypocrisy, total inability to reflect on their own behaviour, total ignorance. It reveals everything about their personality types and intellectual functioning. They unwittingly reveal a lot about themselves....

At the risk of being outed as a member of a pop group called The Sycophants, I'm very big on human rights abuses, inequality, imbalances of power, injustice (etc etc) but I really couldn't care less that Dr Bob has called you a few names on a blog where you and he are anonymous participants.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"Reconciliation could be achieved with the leader who is calm, collected and listening to everybody. I think I've shown that I have the tolerance and patience and respect the differences that people have.

Yes, what reign of tolerance, patience and respect it has been. Pity about those people who run into bullets though.

^ Yeah, he has gone a bit pathetic. Seems to be no fight in him. All a bit strange....it is almost as if he has thrown in the towel. Unless.....

Chaturon slams Army chief, accuses Sansern of bullying

By The Nation on Sunday
Published on June 12, 2011

A senior member of the disbanded Thai Rak Thai Party yesterday slammed the Army chief and Army spokesman over their recent spat with the Pheu Thai Party.

Chaturon Chaisaeng criticised through his Twitter account Army spokeman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd's verbal confrontation with Pheu Thai as "an act of bullying" as well as acting as an "enemy" of the political party. He urged Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha to restrain Sansern.

The Army spokesman has been engaged in a verbal spat with Pheu Thai following a tense confrontation in a Bangkok suburb between the party's ex-MP and two soldiers sent to gather intelligence about drug trafficking.

Chaturon, a former deputy prime minister under Thaksin Shinawatra and a former deputy leader of the now-defunct Thai Rak Thai Party, added that perhaps Prayuth himself has forgotten the fact that he is the Army chief. Chaturon questioned the intention of the Army in launching a crackdown campaign on drugs and said it is not really part of the core duties of the Army.
Prayuth should think before he speaks, Chaturon said.

Chaturon also defended the designation of some villages as red-shirt villages as a democratic right, adding there is nothing wrong with it as long as people do not break the law.

Chaturon warned that further political remarks by both the Army chief and his spokesperson will lead to the public viewing the Army as not being politically neutral.

In particular, he cited Prayuth's recent remark that even if Pheu Thai wins, it may not manage to run the country as it will be "ousted".

People are worried about military intervention, Chaturon said. The Army should also declare that it would no longer allow the use of the Army chief's residence for coalition-formation talks like the last time, which led to the formation of the current Democrat-led government. He added that even Chart Thai Pattana leader Chumpol Silpa-acha had admitted just days ago he was forced into joining the Democrat-led coalition government by a certain irrefutable force.

In another Twitter attack, Phumtam Vejyachai, former Pheu Thai secretary, criticised Kaewsun Atibhodi, the former junta-appointed Asset Examination Committee member, for his recent perjury allegation campaign against Yingluck. He called it a smear campaign and said the timing of the move was questionable.

Police denial

By The Nation on Sunday
Published on June 12, 2011

Police spokesman Major General Prawut Thavornsiri said yesterday police had not conducted a "Santibal Poll" - but only gathered information for analysis.

His comments followed a rumour of a "Santibal (Special Branch Police) poll in 331 constituencies that found Pheu Thai Party leading the Democrats in the capital.

Prawut said police had just gathered information to analyse which areas may be highly competitive, in order to develop preventive security measures.

In regard to pre-election violence, he said 307 candidates had requested police protection and 1,467 campaign signs were destroyed. There were seven cases of election law violations and 19 election-related cases.

He dismissed a rumour a subordinate for a Pheu Thai MP candidate was arrested with Bt20 million in Phitsanulok's Wat Bot district. Police at a checkpoint arrested a person who claimed to be a candidate's aide for carrying a gun to public place. He said people shouldn't worry about rumours created for political gain. He also instructed police to watch for election gambling as some dens had reportedly opened for bets.

^

Originally Posted by Nation on Sunday

Police spokesman Major General Prawut Thavornsiri said yesterday police had not conducted a "Santibal Poll" - but only gathered information for analysis. His comments followed a rumour of a "Santibal (Special Branch Police) poll in 331 constituencies that found Pheu Thai Party leading the Democrats in the capital.

"a rumour"? Seems a bit more than that if the Bangkok Post graphic at https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1780486 (Thai elections 2011-Thai PM sets stage for tough election) is anything to go by.....



Though the graphic notes that the capital was not included.....

Rivals harp on differences

By Kornchanok Raksaseri
The Nation on Sunday
Published on June 12, 2011

While the Democrat Party is banking on its policies to woo voters, Pheu Thai believes giving people widest possible access to Yingluck would boost its chances

While both the Democrat and Pheu Thai parties are pursuing the same objective of winning the July 3 election, their campaign strategies are strikingly different.

On one hand, the Pheu Thai Party makes sure that its No 1 party-list candidate Yingluck Shinawatra, who is new in the political arena, sees as many supporters as possible and delivers simple messages.

The No 10 Democrats led by incumbent premier Abhisit Vejjajiva are trying to highlight their policies while amplifying the possible political consequences if Pheu Thai wins the election.

"To make a fresh start for the country, the first step is that everybody must respect the outcome of the poll. Everybody needs to hear the facts," Democrat campaign manager Korbsak Sabhavasu, said during a panel discussion on campaign strategies on Asean TV (True 99 Channel).

"Voters have to decide whether they will vote for No 1 [Pheu Thai] so that some of the red-shirt leaders can be members of Parliament and manage the country."

In response to Pheu Thai deputy leader Kanawat Wasinsungworn's clarification that Pheu Thai Party and the red shirts are different organisations, Korbsak countered that some of the red-shirt leaders or their wives are on Pheu Thai's party list.

Korbsak said it was important that candidates for the prime minister's post answer questions candidly before the camera so that voters can see how they deal with unexpected problems.

"Tell people that if nothing is prepared, how can you manage because when you manage the country, nothing is prepared for you," Korbsak said.

Korbsak said the candidates do not have to be next to each other in the same interview at the same time.

Given that Yingluck had just entered politics while Abhisit is a good speaker, Kanawat said Yingluck would allow televised interviews "if time allows". He gave an example of her appearance in a televised interview with Sorayut Sutassanajinda.

"Yingluck is new, of course, our voters want to see her. The best strategy for her to get exposure is the word of mouth. We take her to see people so that they see that she is touchable and down-to-earth, she is kind and polite. It will be different for people just to see her on TV," he said.

While Korbsak said his party leader Abhisit had already been a prime minister for two and a half years, and his party has the policies that can be started "from day one" as continuation of the current government's, Kanawat highlighted Yingluck as a woman and a new choice.

"Thanks to the people that they have tried this PM [Abhisit] and they have said, 'we have had enough of him', thus give a chance to Yingluck and try the first lady, with experience in big business for years," he said. "We have tried only male PMs in our political history and we haven't been satisfied with that."

Korbsak tried to get Kanawat to make it clear that reconciliation does not mean whitewashing criminal or corruption charges against politicians, including Yingluck's brother fugitive former prime minister Thaksin. Kanawat said Yingluck would come and solve the country's economic problems and political amnesty was not the priority.

"We will propose to all stakeholders to speak out and talk over to ensure there will be no confrontation anymore. No matter how long it takes, whatever the solutions they must come from discussions at forums," Kanawat said.

On Thaksin being seen as a towering shadow in Thai politics, Kanawat said "The media make Thaksin so important. The media should just ignore him."

Korbsak and Kanawat agreed that as the election day draws closer, parties would run more intense campaigns or even unveil new policies to attract votes.

In the later part of the discussion, which will be on the air shortly, Korbsak stressed on the differences between the two parties in how they viewed events, besides their policies.

"While Pheu Thai Party says the beginning of the political rivalry was the [2006] coup, the Democrats say it was the selling of Shin Corp without paying taxes," he said.

Most Thais ready for woman PM

OPINION POLL
Most Thais ready for woman PM


By The Nation on Sunday
Published on June 12, 2011

Nida survey shows 63 per cent would welcome such an result; but one in 4 Southerners oppose a female leader

The majority of Thai people are ready to have their first female prime minister if one is elected to the top office, according to a survey conducted by National Institute of Development Administration (Nida).

The Nida opinion poll shows that 63.47 per cent of respondents welcome such a possibility. Yingluck Shinawatra, the younger sister of fugitive former premier Thaksin, stands as the Pheu Thai Party's No 1 party-list MP candidate.

Yingluck is expected to be the country's first female premier if Pheu Thai wins the July 3 election against incumbent premier Abhisit Vejjajiva of the Democrat Party.

According to the Nida survey, only 15.8 per cent of the respondents say they are not prepared to have the first female prime minister, with the South having the highest percentage of respondents (27.5 per cent) who say they are ready for that.

Regarding female and male MPs, 29.9 per cent of respondents say they prefer male MP candidates while another 29.68 per cent of respondents say they prefer female candidates.

On corruption, 22.77 per cent of respondents say they believe there will be corruption, but the majority of 31.77 per cent say it will be the same.

About 33.5 per cent of respondents say attention to details is the key strength of female politicians, while the key weakness (37.9 per cent) is indecisiveness.

However, 75.9 per cent of respondents say both female and male candidates are overall equally competent.

In the July 3 election, about 70 per cent of all eligible voters or nearly 30 million people are expected to cast their ballots to elect 375 constituency MPs and another 125 party-list MPs for the House of Representatives.

The 500 MPs will convene to elect the next prime minister, with Abhisit contesting for re-election as the Democrat Party's No 1 party-list candidate, while Yingluck is representing the Pheu Thai Party.

Originally Posted by SteveCM

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Originally Posted by Nation on Sunday

Police spokesman Major General Prawut Thavornsiri said yesterday police had not conducted a "Santibal Poll" - but only gathered information for analysis. His comments followed a rumour of a "Santibal (Special Branch Police) poll in 331 constituencies that found Pheu Thai Party leading the Democrats in the capital.

"a rumour"? Seems a bit more than that if the Bangkok Post graphic at https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1780486 (Thai elections 2011-Thai PM sets stage for tough election) is anything to go by.....



Though the graphic notes that the capital was not included.....

I missed that (was working back in Malaysia, happy to be back in good country of Thailand, as of now), has the wind of change arrived to KK Post, they never published any polls supporting Thaksin-related parties before. Their HK owner had something to do with this?

Well SD you might try to make up your own posts for a while, not just collecting propaganda pieces from your favourite "news" organizations. And you might listen to other opinions. Failing to do that I am inclined to believe in "believe that you are either mentally ill or are very much alone.".

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

That's weirdly hysterical?

Yes, very much so. As I've said before I strongly believe that you are either mentally ill or are very much alone. Every post you make, that is your own posts and not the 99% of posts you make which are stolen from other sources, goes to reinforce that belief.

Well, as you are a disingenuous, deceitful individual, who lacks anything remotely resembling integrity and gets off on attacking others and positively enjoys watching others experience discomfort and pain (as evidenced by the incredible amount of people you have attacked on this board), may I suggest that anything you say about anyone is purely designed to feed your own very bloated ego, as some sort of weird psychological displacement, thereby distracting you from your own inane, turgid existence.

In short, you're talking bollox.

^ Coming from you, well, lets just say I am not worried.

If you believe DrBlobby, who was/is on a troll, then you prove just how dumb you are, but then, we already knew that. No further proof required really.

The above post just adds to the huge amount of evidence already available.

(I doubt you even understood my reply to DrB. Too many big words).

Originally Posted by SteveCM

He said he was willing to speak to people of all political stripes but that everyone must abide by the law.

The problem here is Mark is talking about the current Thai judicial system that bends to Prem's version of the law. The sooner that Thailand rid itself of the meddling eunuch the better.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

^ Coming from you, well, lets just say I am not worried.

If you believe DrBlobby, who was/is on a troll, then you prove just how dumb you are, but then, we already knew that. No further proof required really.

The above post just adds to the huge amount of evidence already available.

(I doubt you even understood my reply to DrB. Too many big words).

You should know being a shrink.